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|Pauper Duel Commander||Legal|
Snow Land — Forest Plains
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Arctic Treeline enters the battlefield tapped.
3 months ago
I had built my Karametra, God of Harvests with two main facets: The Landfall mechanic, and very massive creatures to put those lands to good use.
One clever trick you can do is loop Jeskai Barricade and Stonecloaker back and forth, bouncing each other. If you have an appropriate means of cost reduction, it becomes very efficient. For example, Oketra's Monument and Cloud Key would reduce their individual costs to a mere .
Each time one of these ETB, you bounce the other and tutor a Plains. If you have a means to have that Plains ETB untapped, or able to untap it, you can filter all of them from your library that turn. One method is Stone-Seeder Hierophant. Another is Amulet of Vigor.
These, in effect, allow you to cast Jeskai Barricade for just . Upon cast, you tutor a Plains. It ETB tapped and you either untap it with Amulet of Vigor or with Stone-Seeder Hierophant. From here, Jeskai Barricade ETB and you bounce Stonecloaker. Now, that Plains you just had ETB and got to untap can be tapped to add , allowing you to cast the Stonecloaker from your hand thanks to the cost reduction of Oketra's Monument and Cloud Key. From here, you tutor another Plains and repeat the whole process over again.
If you want lands that have , you can do this one of two ways:
- Use lands that have both subtypes, such as Arctic Treeline, Canopy Vista, Savannah, Scattered Groves or Temple Garden.
- You can also use mana filtering, such as Chromatic Lantern or Chromatic Orrery. There's also Joiner Adept, Mystic Monstrosity Flip and a few others. There's Overlaid Terrain if you can get it out quick enough with artifact sources, as to not damage your land base.
Filtering into will assist you in getting green mana, but it won't allow you to tutor Forests.
However, what this will do is you can tutor Forest, and use the Forest to pay for to continue the combo mentioned above. If you do this, you can tutor every single land in your entire library in one single turn.
Unfortunately, Selesnya doesn't exactly have a means to give global haste. You'd want to rely on something such as Akroma's Memorial or something else. It gets pretty tricky and difficult and you're better off to try and secure the win via alt-wincon.
But, this whole setup is extremely flimsy. Just one piece being removed blows the entire combo up. Your table may not see what's going on the first one or two times, but they will catch on and the moment Jeskai Barricade drops for the first time, it'll be hit with a furious wave of removal. Once this happens, your entire deck is dead in the water.
That's why I no longer play Karametra. She definitely is a Timmy deck because she absolutely wants tons and tons of creatures slamming the field as quickly as possible... but she becomes super flimsy. Imagine getting 9 or 10 lands out by Turn 6 or 7. You drop something massive like a Desolation Twin and it gets hit with the first wave of removal. What happens is you become the biggest threat at the table, even when you have literally nothing. The reason this mentality sinks in is because your Commander has Indestructible, so most players are unequipped to handle her. Since her removal isn't an option, they hit your boardstate, instead.
You become a magnet for removal and hate, and you spend the rest of the game "catching up" and "doing nothing".
In my personal experience, she isn't fun to play because of this very reason. But... if you'd want to build her, that's how I did.
- Landfall + that combo
Still, you need cost reduction + filtering + land untapping... it's still a cumbersome problem and, like I said, one piece of removal blows the entire combo apart.
3 months ago
Hey, I saw your forum topic asking for help.
The manabase and ramp/color fixing could use some tweaking, but more draw is really what your deck needs. That's the area of your deck to consider spending some on for improvements.
- Mentor of the Meek --> Aggressive Mammoth
- Welcoming Vampire --> Mowu, Loyal Companion
- Ripjaw Raptor --> Aetherstorm Roc
- Idol of Oblivion --> Woodland Mystic
- Return of the Wildspeaker --> Leyline of Abundance
- Shamanic Revelation --> Renata, Called to the Hunt
- Harmonize --> Arcus Acolyte
I choose these cards as suggested cuts because you have better cards that do the same or similar effects. More draw especially repeatable draw sources replacing some of this redundancy could help gameplay.
The manabase is overall good except the amount of Forests, which is too many. The ratio of color sources in the manabase is 28 green:16 white:16 red. 28 green is almost double amount of another color which is a little much. Forests are important, you want them as most lands, but I don't think you need 12 of them. Green one drop mana dorks are good, but I don't think only three of them are enough to play so many Forests to hinder the other colors in the chance that you have one in your opening hand with a Forest. Crop Rotation can get any land by sacing a Forest.
Some manabase problems are 12 Forests, the Slow Fetch lands, Aether Hub, Arctic Treeline and Highland Forest. 12 Forest reduces the color fixing from lands too much. Grasslands, Krosan Verge, Mountain Valley are too slow for what they do and are not needed because you have Marsh Flats and Windswept Heath.
Aether Hub is relying too much on three cards that proliferate or Aetherstorm Roc. Consistently Hub won't have enough energy to make colored mana. Arctic Treeline and Highland Forest are nice that they have basic land types, but you don't really need them because you have Shocks and Tangos.
Consider cutting some basic Forests for more budget lands that can make green or another color?
- Crop Rotation --> Aether Hub
- Exotic Orchard --> 1x Forest
- Path of Ancestry --> 1x Forest
- Jungle Shrine --> 1x Forest
- Game Trail --> 1x Forest
- Fortified Village --> 1x Forest
- Battlefield Forge --> Krosan Verge
- Naya Panorama --> Grasslands
- Opal Palace --> Mountain Valley
Making these lands changes can balance the ratio of color sources to 26 G:20 W:20 R. This balance keeps the amount of green close to what you have currently while increasing the amount of white and red. Of course most of these are the least expensive price playable lands that you could add. There's many others that are more price/better lands.
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Temple of Abandon, Temple of Plenty, Temple of Triumph, Brushland, Battlefield Forge, Karplusan Forest, Cragcrown Pathway Flip, Needleverge Pathway Flip, Branchloft Pathway Flip could all fit into your manabase. I know you have a budget of about $5 per card, and i believe most of them other then Brushland are at or below that range.
I can see how heavily your deck is weighted toward green, but my instinct is that you have a lot of enter tapped lands that don't do anything when they enter tapped. Temples could at least provide 2 colors and scry you a card, but things like Grasslands don't thin out your deck enough to be worth losing a turn.
My recommendation is to cut 3 forests, Grasslands, Mountain Valley, Aether Hub, Alpine Meadow, Arctic Treeline, Highland Forest for the 3 temples, 3 pain and 3 pathways. With new caperna dropping, you can also cut a forest for Jetmir's Garden when its released.
Apologies for the wall of text, I hope it helps.
4 months ago
Forgotten Ancient seems like a great inclusion, as well as The Ozolith
Scattered Groves, Arctic Treeline, and Canopy Vista are decent dual lands that you can fetch with karametra, god of harvests or krosan verge.
i would recommend Swords to Plowshares over condemn.
Fertilid is great way to ramp, especially if you can add counters to it.
Kalonian Hydra and Stonecoil Serpent seem fun...
hope these ideas help, cheers and have fun!
6 months ago
I'm actually thinking you need more ramp, and maybe some additional 'control' elements (you have creature control covered) so you can just win with planeswalkers. I'm also thinking a better planeswalker option is Garruk Wildspeaker since his +1 lets you ramp like crazy and his -4 can be a surprise win-con with Natural Affinity. Nissa, Worldwaker would probably be a close second. Maybe something like 2-3 garruk and 1 nissa.
Ohran Viper could be worth considering as a source of card advantage and/or deathtouch creature.
I'm pretty sure there's got to be another way to animate your opponent's lands in an efficient manner with some type of synergy. I'll try to think about the various avenues in
I'd also consider putting Arctic Treeline and/or Woodland Chasm as targets for your fetches. Being hard tapped lands sucks a little, but you can crack a fetch into them when you have nothing to do with that mana anyway. Just something to consider to get the most out of your snow cards. I definitely wouldn't run more than one of each.
Crime / Punishment is also another board clear option, where you could only target lands when you have better board presence. It also has another mode built in that's not completely irrelevant.
Recross the Paths might be a good ramp option, since it gives you psuedo-scry and you have a relatively high mana curve, giving you better odds at winning a clash. I've also always liked Search for Tomorrow for some nice deck thinning and solid early ramp (though slightly delayed).
6 months ago
I suspect you'd benefit from a few more White mana sources, or things that can find them. Blighted Woodland and Myriad Landscape are readily cast ramp that can find plains for you. Krosan Verge is on colour here, and is probably worth running as well, as it can find non-basic lands for you, like the Kaldheim Snow Duals. There are also ramp spells that can find those Snow Duals, so it's not just about the pricier Fetch Lands. The relevant Snow Duals are Arctic Treeline Alpine Meadow and Highland Forest. Farseek can find Meadow at least, and things like Nature's Lore, Three Visits, Skyshroud Claim can find any that are Forests. These have no other upside, but getting access to White mana off of Three Visits is going to help. Most people just find Shock Lands with Farseek, but Snow Duals are very solid options to have.
The other thing that jumped out is the low amount artifact/enchantment hate. Cards like this are really useful in Commander, there is almost always a target, even if you draw a few of them. Viashino Heretic is good artifact hate on a stick, Devout Witness can hate on either, but is worse at it's job. You can also run Green options, which often sac the creature like Thrashing Brontodon or work as a Comes Into Play effect like Reclamation Sage. Since you have big creatures and love to have Jared get hit, Ulvenwald Tracker can arrange for Jared to get swatted by the biggest thing on the board every turn, either killing it and growing or just growing.
8 months ago
Hey, nice version, but the manabase hasn't been as upgraded as much as the rest of the deck, you forgot Command Tower.
Because you have Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger do you really need lots of other big creatures? Most creature board wipes are good with Eggs because even if Atla will die to the wipe she will trigger for each Egg that also dies. All your opponents creatures die and you're left with a battlefield of creatures from Eggs. Avacyn and Ulamog have indestructible making them survive board wipes that destroy or do damage.
Vanquish the Horde and Blasphemous Act are powerful creature board wipes in multiplayer Commander because they care about the number of all creatures from all players on the battlefield. Wrath of God and Day of Judgment are the traditional four mana ones and Austere Command is very versatile. Fanatical Devotion is a nice budget sac outlet for Eggs since it can protect Atla from most board wipes.
Consider more ramps sources especially two drop or less ramp that's not creatures can help with Atla?
The manabase here has a few good lands (Mesa, Orchard, Glade, Shrine, Panorama), but most are subpar for much lower budget decks. Temple of the False God is a not a good land; my advice is cut it from all your decks even decks with green which have land ramp. Needing five lands just for Temple to be able to make mana isn't worth it. The Life lands such as Blossoming Sands, etc. are lackluster since 1 life gain is not worth the land always ETB tapped. If you're on a budget for lands then consider these for upgrades?
- Command Tower
- High Market: sac outlet.
- Battlefield Forge
- Canopy Vista
- Overgrown Farmland
- Path of Ancestry
- Game Trail
- Fortified Village
- Furycalm Snarl
- Alpine Meadow
- Sungrass Prairie
- Mossfire Valley
Some cards to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blossoming Sands
- Kazandu Refuge
- Rugged Highlands
- Slagwoods Bridge
- Thornglint Bridge
- Wind-Scarred Crag
- Arctic Treeline
- Highland Forest
- Sudden Disappearance
- Soul Foundry
- Dictate of Heliod
- Brood Monitor
- Guild Feud
- Ulamog's Crusher
- Breaker of Armies
- Gruul Ragebeast
- Dreamstone Hedron
Good luck with your deck.
9 months ago
For the earlygame Dragon's Disciple might be a good choice: Comes into play as 2/4 and protects your dragons via Ward.
For your lands I recommend exchanging Alpine Meadow, Arctic Treeline and Glacial Floodplain for a mix of Frontier Bivouac and Mystic Monastery: they produce 3 colours each and the Plainscycling from Timeless Dragon is less impactfull.