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|Archenemy: Nicol Bolas (E01)||Mythic Rare|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Mythic Rare|
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Mythic Rare|
|Duel Decks: Heroes vs. Monsters (DDL)||Mythic Rare|
|2012 Core Set (M12)||Mythic Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Mythic Rare|
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Whenever Sun Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may return target permanent card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
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Sun Titan Discussion
3 days ago
Mentor of the Meek is really good.
Viscera Seer is good for deck cycling.
Elenda, the Dusk Rose MIGHT be a better commander. Whilst she costs more mana, she comes online a bit quicker, potentially.
Karmic Guide, Reveillark and Blasting Station is an instant win. Both creatures are good enough to include on their own because value, but they can also just single-handedly win games. They create sacrifice-recursion loops where you can sacrifice them then one reanimates the other and then you rinse and repeat.
Sun Titan isn't optional. It just wins games.
Buried Alive is a really good tutor-thats-not-a-tutor kind of thing.
Victimize is just value.
Nim Deathmantle protects everything from death.
You can play Smokestack in decks like this if you want to be a dick.
Attrition is just borderline unfair.
That's about all I can think of.
4 days ago
For cards such as Replenish, Open the Vaults, Sun Titan , and Zur the Enchanter, if I get an enchntment aura card (such as Curse of Death's Hold) onto the battlefield, can I attach it to a player or even target? Rules text cited would be appreciated.
4 days ago
If you pay full cost you aren't cheating anymore, right? Isareth is cool, but being monocolored she won't become a premier reanimation strategy commander I don't think. I would rather run Karador, Ghost Chieftain or Muldrotha, the Gravetide 10 out of 10 times for such a strategy, but she could be cool in the 99 of a deck that wants to reanimate cheap creatures over and over. She's kind of like a backup Alesha, Who Smiles at Death. Adding to the critical mass of reanimation creatures like Alesha: Sun Titan, Devoted Crop-Mate, Bishop of Rebirth, etc. could be a cool angle for an army that never dies. I don't think it's going to make many waves in the format personally. I like Whisper, Blood Liturgist better as a card and you don't often see those decks.
5 days ago
Vial decks tend to play a lot of the same creatures, since they use creatures of relatively similar cost, and mostly with strong etb-effects (the real text on Leonin Arbiter is "when leonin arbiter enters the battlefield, counter target fetchland"). There are a lot of different creatures that qualify for use, but no more than you end up seeing a lot of "usual suspects" repeatedly, and overall Aether Vial does force your deck into a certain shape: 25+ creatures, and creatures with casting cost 4 or less (usually centering on 2 or 3). If what you want to do is to play bigger creatures than that, ramping is more efficient than vialing (efficient = faster) - also since creatures you ramp in are more powerful on their own, and with vial-sized creatures you have to rely on synergies between them. In this deck, there is a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben - but not the synergy pieces. Thalia creates pressure on mana, but not very reliable, since there's only 4 thalias and nothing else that helps on this strategy. A common approach is to follow up with Aven Mindcensor and Leonin Arbiter, since they put even more pressure on opponents mana, at least for opponents who search out their lands, with fetches, or with Expedition Maps or with Primeval Titans. And if you expect lots of combo, you could have Judge's Familiar in the sideboard. All this to say, that there's good reason to bring the full package for vial'ing, even if it does make your deck a little bit similar to something that was once played by someone else.
Also: Sorry to say, but Elvish Piper is rubbish. 2 problems: Even if you ramp like a boss, you can't play it until turn 3, and activate it until turn 4. This means you opponent gets 3 or 4 turns to act in - some decks will close the game in that time, but even those that don't will be able to find an answer to your piper (it's a 1/1 creature with no protection). It's not just some decks that can remove it, it is more or less each and every deck in modern. Second problem: No redundancy. There's only Elvish Piper that functions like elvish piper, unless you count Quicksilver Amulet as a kind of piper too. And then what do you do in those games where you don't draw piper, or it is killed right away?
Both vial and ramp are relatively simply plans, at their core, even if they are not simple to play. They also both take up the space in a whole deck, and they don't really have any cards in common. But if you want something that feels a bit like both, you could go for something like Sun Titan-Emeria, The Sky Ruin, and a bunch of things you can pull out of graveyard with titan. And some early-game ramp with Sakura-Tribe Elder and Renegade Rallier. If you want to play ramp, I'd suggest you go for a more land-based kind, since creatures have a tendency to die at inconvenient moments, and there's simply less land-removal played on average. With land-based ramp, you can play sweepers without shooting yourself in the feet, and that makes some match-ups a lot easier.
And last: I simply don't get angel-tribal. The creatures are too costly in mana to be much good in the early game, and doesn't really synergize as well as other tribes do. Each of them is pretty strong, though, there's just no real reason to play them as a tribe, apart from a taste for illustrations of winged women with long legs. But in this deck, even those angels that could be synergy/combo components, aren't. There's no Spike Feeder for the Archangel of Thune and no Avenger of Zendikar for the Sublime Archangel. Again - are they really the best thing you can ramp into? Or even the funniest?
1 week ago
Very cool decklist!
Your deck seems really well tuned so my suggestions are pretty minor.
First I'd look at equipment upgrades for your creatures:
Darksteel Plate protects you from your own boardwipes
Boros Charm protection from board wipes and can pump up an aggro gameplan
Argivian Find criminally underrated graveyard recursion
Anguished Unmaking one of the best Orzhov spells out there.
Entomb see above ^^
Toxic Deluge best boardwipe in the game imo, it clears out all the creatures.
Creatures: I like the creatures you have I'd recommend adding a few more big threats, especially if you go the Buried Alive route. Here are a few of my favorites...
Get this card, if you play black you play Necropotence. It's the best card draw spell in the game.
2 weeks ago
Pollenbright Wings yo! And imagine if she has the wings and doublestrike, WOOF. Bishop of Rebirth and Sun Titan might be worth considering so that if the game is removal heavy you can just let her hit grave and rebuild quickly. I'd definitely run Tendershoot Dryad over Verdant Force. Aura Mutation seems like it'd be good here too. And Bastion Protector is never bad. Cool deck!
I have a similar deck that involves bestowing Shanna's second ability to Tana, the Bloodsower via things like Sigil of the Nayan Gods, then giving her doublestrike + lifelink with Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder. Check it out! Bruse Tana, Boorish Bloodsower
2 weeks ago
@Goretast Yeah, our decks are definitely different, as I focus more on hatebears effects and state-based effects over landfall. As for the Selvalas, I think they always do the job I want them to--they make mana, they are on curve, they are tutorable, they come back with Sun Titan, they draw me cards, and Karametra always comes out a turn early when they're played turn 3. Right now I'm ambivalent about Protean Hulk, since its CMC is awkward and I have very few ways to force him into the graveyard--just board wipes and High Market. For my deck, it would be very restrictive for what I could grab, since I have so few 1 and 2 drops. However, I do have several significant 3 and 6 drops that would be useful to tutor up. What do you think about it? I never really played with Protean Hulk, so I'm not too sure if I understand its potential in my deck.
3 weeks ago
SenseiRamen Here I come again! I'm glad some of my suggestions were helpful, I hope you're doing well with this version. It seems really cool, well done. :)
I tried a Mathas, Fiend Seeker's deck on my own those last week, with some cards I had left on my collection (so it's far from being optimized), and it's been a hell of good fun. I love the dilemma it causes on the game's state as even if you aren't the greatest tread everyone will play around your decisions and beware your control tools. This commander has surely a lot of serious potentials to exploit.
Before anything else, let me excuse myself for a mistake, I hadn't understood the interaction between the Kulrath Knight and Mathas at first sight... gosh, it's just insane! I really have to give a closer look at those cards I've nearly never seen. That's well thought!
Let's see now what we can improve once again. The etb sub-theme you choose to explore is definitely interesting, and as it goes I would suggest you replacing some creature over 4 mana cost (in order to make the Sun Titan even more reliable) with smaller ones with powerful etb effects. You could maybe, for the example, run something like a Bone Shredder, a Fleshbag Marauder, a Shivan Emissary (nice card but it will only trigger if you play it from your hand. The same is true for the Gatekeeper of Malakir, which is not a good idea there as its mana cost it 3B), a Duergar Hedge-Mage, a Ghitu Slinger (meh card though, the Bone Shredder is like...thousand times better), a Tooth Collector (delirium seems complicated to trigger, so I don't know if it could be that great), a Tidehollow Sculler, a Mesmeric Fiend, etc. I will give you further replacement's ideas for some of those.
Speaking of creatures around 3 manas, you could also play Kambal, Consul of Allocation, which is powerful and flavorful in a political meaning. For more cards with a cruel synergy with Mathas, you could even consider playing the Rampaging Ferocidon.
You may give a try to the Panharmonicon, or even to the Conjurer's Closet, if you do some changes this way, but I can't assure you it'll be that effective. The Cloudstone Curio, that I already suggested you in my first message, is certainly better (but a little more expensive), as it combines absurdly well with Tetzimoc, Primal Death and actually better with cards with Echo (if you decide to go for the Shredder).
Another really good option to never run out of removals is the creation of a Sunforger package. It generally consists of playing Mistveil Plains and something like 7-8 targetable removals. If you bought the Markov EDH deck (which contains Mathas), you could add in the Teferi's Protection (absurd and unfun card, but it's just so strong that you'll always appreciate it). I will, if you're ok with investing in just one card, replace Ob Nixilis Reignited with a Scroll Rack. If you plan to go to some Battlebond's drafts, try to get a Land Tax. It's certainly not a necessity if you play in a casual group, but it will give your global deck a lift - Scroll Rack / Land Tax interaction is what makes the Boros decks viable, as you play black in addition to those colours, you should be able to generate an excellent consistency between draw / ramp / control.
As it stands, you play the Rocky Tar Pit with only basic lands tutorizable, so it's basically just an Evolving Wilds that etb tapped. ^^' Smoldering Marsh and Canyon Slough are both affordable and very good for budget decks. If you decide to invest in a Scroll Rack or get the chance to get it by trading, Madblind Mountain is also a nice option as it enables you to re-shuffle a band hand in your library and to draw a brand new one.
A few suggestions (including replacement ideas) :
Duergar Hedge-Mage IN > Cataclysmic Gearhulk OUT (the CG (worst abbreviation of all times) is interesting, but most of the times it will put you in really uncomfortable situations. You play a bunch of artefacts and enchantments, so you'll often end sacrificing too many cards to inverse the course of the game. I understand the idea that it enables you getting rid of your opponents' enchantments/artefacts... but they can choose which one they keep so it's not even that good in the best scenarios.
Bone Shredder IN > Fountain Watch OUT (Having protection for your cards is always great, but the FW feels just way too weak. It's expensive to cast and have a minimal impact on the board state. It doesn't offer you any interaction with your other cards that can justify it... you will just prefer something that offers you more control on the game and which works well with Sun Titan.)
Cloudstone Curio IN > Ambition's Cost OUT (Draw is pretty important in this kind of deck, so why did I chose to cut the Ambition's Cost? It's not a bad card on its own, it's even fairly good tbh, but I feel you just don't need it. With Mathas' ability, Phyrexian Arena (and maybe later Scroll Rack), you're still gonna draw a lot of cards - you won't need it. The Cloudstone provides you with a powerful grip for the late game. Being able to recast your etb tread is just insane.
Scroll Rack IN > Indulgent Tormentor OUT (Again, the Tormentor is not that bad... but it's not that great either. It's slow and understated. Most of the time, your opponent will just pay the 3 life needed, if the Tormentor doesn't die to any blast since then. The Scroll Rack is godlike but I could understand your reluctance about the investment it symbolizes. Go for a Sunforger in this case (honnestyl I'll play both of them in a optimized list).
Land Tax IN > Bonfire of the Damned OUT (The Bonefire is strong, but it only gains a miracle cost if it's the first card you drew this turn. It's not that unreliable but it's still is a bit. I will prefer an effective and sure board clear over it. You will find one just there below ^^)
Fire Covenant IN > Void Winnower OUT (The Winnower is surely a funny card. It's big, it locks a bit the game and gives you the initiative... but I think that in an optimized decklist you just don't need it. It competes for a slot with cards that synergizes better with Mathas, so that's why I would cut it.)
Teferi's Protection IN > Swamp OUT
Terminate is also a powerful card to consider with Mathas, but I can't actually find which card to cut for it. I hope those suggestions will be helpful, let me know how does it evolved and worked out! Have fun brewing, mate. :)