Teferi, Time Raveler
Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
Each opponent can cast spell only at any time they could cast a sorcery.
+1: Until your next turn, you may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash.
-3: Return up to one target artifact, creature, or enchantment to its owner's hand. Draw a card.
|Have (3)||Taki117 , pskinn01 , gildan_bladeborn|
|Want (4)||FSims81 , , Th3_Fl0r1st , Eudaimonia25|
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|Secret Lair (SLD)||Rare|
|War of the Spark (WAR)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Teferi, Time Raveler Discussion
3 weeks ago
Titus7007 , first off thanks for the feedback homie!
As for aggro, I want to run a few scenarios by you so that you can better get an idea of what it is I am trying to do here.
Let's say everything goes perfect, and wether I am on play or draw, I turn two Callous Dismissal to bounce and make a token, turn three Teferi, Time Raveler bounce and draw a card, then turn four Fires of Invention into Role Reversal to swap the 1/1 for whatever 3-4 drop they play. Any aggro deck in the meta is gonna have a tough time playing against that. If they are low to the ground, I dont bother swapping I just drop a second walker - preferably Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis to gain life if necessary or to make two more blockers until I drop sarkhan or visitation.
Ok so everything isn't perfect, I can still turn two dismissal to slow the opponent and slam down Saheeli, Sublime Artificer and if they don't focus her down, the 1/1's she makes can help me stabilize quickly, especially if I am casting two non-creatures a turn with Fires of Invention next turn.
Let's say things are worse than even that against aggro. I play Omen of the Sea turn two, and Narset, Parter of Veils turn three. I am in a very rough spot. If the incremental life gain from Interplanar Beacon can't help me get a leg up i am prob dead in the water. Assuming I cant get to sarkahn, make a dragon, and lean on his passive, I say gg and swap out role reversal for Deafening Clarion and swap visitation for Time Wipe and hopefully games 2 and 3 go my way. Can't win em all kind of thing.
Keep in mind a majority of the cards I play create tokens so blockers are less of an issue than you think. -- a reason why I feel callous dismal should stay.
Not only that, but dismissal sets up role reversal turn three if I am on the draw, and makes a 4/4 with visitation out.(popular targets are nightmare shepherd, torbran, questing beast, ect..)
Fae of Wishes is one of the first cards I looked at when making the list and the reason I settled on a one of Karn, the Great Creator in the deck. The problem with fae is exactly what you said, it works against Narset... I feel like making the deck creatureless creates more advantages than the small amount of utility fae brings to the table.
Narset is the only real card advantage I have in the list if you don't count Omen, which I don't. She lets me more often than not get something extra I can play or get thru the deck to fires if I am missing it. Not only that but the passive is valuable and she works perfectly with both fires (making sure I dont have to get into top deck mode) and sarkahn. Being able to grab non creature spell from the board is sweet, and might warrant a second look, but not at the cost of whiffing with narset and having a little less synergy among the deck. If I do decide on fae, I will have to rebuild the deck and might consider running The Royal Scions in narsets place, but end of day that looks weaker than what I have listed currently.
Do you have your grixis friends list on tapped out? I haven't seen it (would love to tho) but I can only assume your list makes less tokens then this one does, which is why you need every removal spell you can get. Remember, more often than not I can get creatures on the board even in a list with no creatures! My 1/1's chump and get me to the late game where I can make them 4/4's from there or go over the top for tons of damage out of nowhere with sarkhan.
Divine visitation kind of needs to be in the list(however if you can think of more synergistic 5 drops let me know). Originally I ran Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God in it's place, but ran into tons of mana issues (go figure) and it didn't really perform how I wanted it to. Visitation is super synergistic. With Visitation, dismissal becomes OP, saheeli makes a 4/4 a turn(or 2 with fires out), Elspeth makes 2 4/4's twice. Plus if I draw karn and pull The Circle of Loyalty from the board things get bonkers. I like having more than just 4x sarkahn as a wincon in the list.
I don't feel running board wipes main deck makes much sense if playing b03, simply because role reversal is good against most decks. There are also things that role reversal does that most don't see coming, it says permanent, so If i give an interplanar beacon to a mono colored player, especially if I am on the play, I can throw a wrench in their plans. If I trade a used up saheeli or narset for a Nissa, Who Shakes the World that's usually GG. Swapping an Omen for an enchantment god dashes hopes and kills morale. Or my favorite, swapping a 1/1 for a creature equipped with embercleave!
As for Ashiok's Erasure I can't really get the most out of it because I run fires. It would be dead in my hand more often than not. I have considered Banishing Light but end of the day opted to jam as many walkers as I could. That and the 3 drop slot is pretty clogged up anyhow.
I have put about 4 hours on the ladder with the list on arena. I started gold 5 ( I really don't play much ranked usually draft) and after the session got to mid Gold 2. I won about 22 games and lost 5.I lost once to mono green aggro who perfect curved from pelt collector all the way into questing beast(the hardest card for my deck to recover from given all my blockers are 1/1's). I lost twice to mono black devotion ( damn cat oven, making role reversal useless with his sac outlets) once to a simic ramp list that cast nyxborn turn 4-5(I couldnt find my role reversal that game >.<), and once against mono red aggro (crazy turn three kill with run away steam kin and embercleave). I also beat each of those deck types a few times each as well!
It could be just cuz it's gold, but most everyone tried taking out the value generating walkers, allowing me to quickly stabilize, and eventually outvalue them. A quarter of the people I played against scooped when I took their best thing with role reversal. (a couple highlights are swapping a used up narset for an ashiok, the mill one, against a self mill player. stealing a simic ramp players krasis he just tapped out for, Giving a mono white life gain player an omen in exchange for heliod, and stealing a robber the rich against mono red he just equipped with embercleave at instant speed using teferi.)
So far I am having a blast with the list. I recommend you build it out on arena and give it a shot. If not that, message me your arena tag and we can play some games so you can see the list in action!!
again, thank you so much for helping and checking the list out! I look forward to playing you if you are in fact on arena!
3 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
Have some recent Throne and Theros pulls people might be interested in.
Looking for Teferi, Time Raveler
Binder is semi-current as there are several other cards to add to my haves.
4 weeks ago
pistolpeteiii Wilderness Reclamation and Teferi, Time Raveler allow for the possibility of Planewide Celebration hitting on my opponent's end step. Because the turn would then pass to me and there is no priority change taking place during untap to upkeep there is no chance for my opponent to interact with and remove the 2/2 5 color token that helps trigger Happily for the win
4 weeks ago
I may be missing something, but why have you included Wilderness Reclamation?
You only have 4 copies of instant speed spells, and from what I see relying on Teferi, Time Raveler to cast sorcery spells with the "doubled" mana Wilderness Reclamation provides you. As suggested previously, a Nissa, Who Shakes the World might be more beneficial in the slot.
4 weeks ago
This has been a trend for a long time.
However, I think recent card design (from War of the Spark onwards) has exacerbated the issue to the point where a lot more people are sitting up to take notice, and the effects are being felt from Standard to Vintage. My thoughts for why:
- Planeswalkers have never been a card type with proper answers (other than overwhelming board presence). Until WAR, this was kinda tolerable because they were at least generally high CMC permanents, and so were largely control finishers (which is fine) or an alternate angle of attack for some midrange/prison strategies (also fine). WAR introduced incredibly impactful, low-CMC planeswalkers that are difficult to answer with board presence due to how fast they come down, to say nothing of some of their static effects.
- To contrast with creatures, although creatures have been growing stronger and stronger for years, strong creature removal (e.g. Plow, Bolt, Edict) was built into the game from the very beginning and creatures were inherently designed to generally await a turn cycle for real value (obviously ETB effects have mitigated this somewhat). Goyf is a great creature, but can easily be Pushed or Pathed or whatever; no harm, no foul. No real equivalent exists for walkers, especially since they always get one loyalty activation off before ever passing priority.
- We are seeing an uptick in cards that dissuade classic interaction paths - the most egregious being Veil of Summer. Counterspells and discard are extremely powerful effects and it is a design flaw of the game for them to be restricted to their signature colors, but regardless of that, these effects are the linchpin on which healthy Magic thrives - i.e. nothing is beyond interaction. Veil efficiently undermines this interaction, which leads to players favoring their own linear strategies that they can guarantee to push through with Veil.
- Beyond just Veil, though, there has been a noticeable uptick in "can't be countered" text on cards. I mean, even as a control player, I love Fry and think it's great design, but I worry when I see it alongside Shifting Ceratops, Thought Distortion, Chandra, Awakened Inferno, Destiny Spinner, and whatever else I forgot, all within a couple of sets of each other. As much as I hate to sound like a grumpy old man, I strongly get the feeling that the stereotypical new "hates counterspells/discard/removal/blah/blah/blah" players are being overly catered to.
- The WAR walkers are emblematic of a problematic design trend: asymmetrical hate effects. Prison effects have historically been symmetrical because of how it inherently balances prison decks - e.g. a deck wishing to run Thalia, Guardian of Thraben MUST rely heavily on creature spells to function properly. And in doing so, this also encourages interesting deckbuilding design. Now, of course, we instead get Narset, Parter of Veils asymmetrically hosing extra card draw, so there are no deckbuilding concessions to make - jam in your blue deck and away you go.
- This has been a thing for a long time in some form or another, like how hexproof supplanted shroud. You know how everyone likes to complain about being a shitty color (or at best a splash utility color)? Part of the reason is because cards are often actually properly designed with powerful but symmetrical effects (like sweepers), meaning that you have to make deckbuilding concessions to see their real power. But since Wizards decided that can just have generic goodstuff with no build around necessary, how is (and to a lesser extent ) supposed to compete with that?
- Narset (and the other WAR walkers) are especially bad here because their asymmetric effects come in the color that cares about them the most. As a control player, I'm actually cool with a card that has Teferi, Time Raveler's static effect (although I would like it to be symmetrical, as described above), but what I cannot forgive is that said static effect is attached to a card...or in other words, the colors that care most about instant speed reaction.
- Why is the above a problem? Mental Misstep problem. If I'm a control player playing the mirror, all I need to do is stick a Teferi and I basically can't lose. When the best counter to a card is resolving it yourself first (even if only for a particular matchup), that should set off massive warnings in everyone's minds.
- By Wizards' own admission, best-of-1 play (i.e. a good chunk of Arena play) now influences card design. This means that we're going to get a lot more "maindeckable" cards like the new Kunoros, Hound of Athreos being a maindeckable Grafdigger's Cage. This leads to decks being really boring and similar, since every deck has to somehow be ready for everything else, and since reactive strategies inherently do better in best-of-3 (cause you need your answers to line up with the opponent's deck), that means proactive jam-first strategies are even more the way of the future than they already are.
- It takes a lot to build around something these days. What's a mechanic that's so powerful that it's worth building around (i.e. playing otherwise suboptimal cards for)? There are only a handful that ever made it into eternal formats, like dredge, storm, miracle, and affinity. Pioneer is notably devoid of any of these, and we can see the result: fair decks are all just generic goodstuff in whatever chosen colors (and unfair decks are always shown the door if they ever put up real results).
- Even Commander is not exempt from these trends. Part of the fun in EDH, at least nominally, is that you can explore interactions throughout all of Magic's history (like Legacy and Vintage), but at a tiny fraction of the cost and at a power level that suits you and your friends. I fear that the direct-to-Commander products Wizards pumps out undermines this, by printing generically good commanders that are stupid easy to build around (or have abilities that function from the command zone cause why not), and by printing "must includes" like Command Tower and Arcane Signet that reduce the actual number of choices players have in their decks (not to mention essentially tax players to stay competitive).
1 month ago
Your deck looks plenty fun, better than the one I am about to post. I'll start with a few negatives. First of all, Teferi, Time Raveler does not fit with the theme of your deck. I do not see him in there working well, unless of course he is there just to limit the opponent, and prevent counters to your grand scheme? Kaya's Wrath seems questionable as well, do you really want to clear the whole board and start over? I would replace each of these with more Thief of Sanity and maybe even another land or two. Positives, You can really take over someone's deck with this, and use their own strategy against them. It's very hard to beat yourself, especially if you have a third of a deck, and the opponent has the other 2/3ds and most of their own.
Now, my deck:
It is basically a hit-fast deck revolving around Gallia of the Endless Dance There are many enchantments for triggers, and it often works decent. But I'm not sure if it is optimal yet, and I am looking for improvements!
1 month ago