Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.
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|Alara Reborn (ARB)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Violent Outburst Discussion
5 months ago
Hold it, I changed my mind about Karona, False God . I'll try & revise this Yidris CHAOS Deck the way I intended it to be. Rules?
Keep the Land Base as it is.
Keep the Talismans, Rings, & Crypt for decent measure. I'll let you decide the fate of the rest of the Rocks.
Aggravated Assault + Bear Umbra are in as they not only allow extra Combat, but this Bear, unlike the entire Bear Creature Type, untaps all your lands for additional Cascades.
Chance Encounter + Frenetic Efreet WILL be a Wincon here, though I'd like several others; including a combo that for CHAOS terms, It's kinda GG if in my favor, but can cost me SEVERELY; almost to the point of a Loss; A True Battle of CHAOTICA.
What Other Coin Flip Effects and/or Random effects would you put in? What other misc. CHAOS Effects would be good also?
On theme w/ Cascade, what cards in Yidris' Colors might be good here, & has Cascade? ( Throes of Chaos , Kathari Remnant , Bloodbraid Elf , Deny Reality , Etherium-Horn Sorcerer & Maelstrom Wanderer are prime, but I dunno about Demonic Dread , Violent Outburst , Shardless Agent , & Bituminous Blast ... your thoughts would be good though...)
I'm at 100. This means I'll have to replace ALOT of stuff. I hope you're ready. I'll put some stuff back in, but I might need some help yet again; at least for the Wincons I described them as such...
Thank you for helping me out. :)
1 year ago
this has nothing to do with the thread... but I get the sense you're relatively new to competitive card games as a whole. A lot of your arguments center around "well x card is fine because its answered by x other card" but there's a huge factor that's missing from your analysis: tempo.
The basic idea of tempo is this:
Let's build a hypothetical game of Hypergenesis v Eldrazi. The Eldrazi player plays a Chalice of the Void for 0 to counter Hypergenesis . Luckily, the Hypergenesis player is running Kolaghan's Command so he has an answer!
By your logic, this should mean that hypergenesis won't struggle with Chalice of the Void , because Eldrazi has a card and Hypergenesis has an answer.
Here's the flaw in your logic that reveals your (probable) inexperience. Chalice of the Void cost the Eldrazi player 0 mana. Kolaghan's Command cost 3 mana. That means that the Eldrazi player came out of that exchange up by 3 mana, which is a form of "Tempo" as it's labelled. The eldrazi player could resolve anything from a Matter Reshaper to a Reality Smasher (if Eye of Ugin is in play) using that 3 mana. Let's investigate what Hypergenesis could have done with that 3 mana instead. It could have played Violent Outburst cascading into Hypergenesis and WON THE GAME!
That's tempo, and the big issue with a lot of your logic is that you don't account for it. Another, more realistic example with less dire consequences:
An eldrazi player drops an Eye of Ugin . they already had a waste in play. The eldrazi player gets to play a Matter Reshaper . His opponent drops an Alpine Moon naming Eye of Ugin . Here's the "tempo breakdown". The Eldrazi player just came out 3 mana ahead AGAIN. he got one mana out of Eye of Ugin discounting the Matter Reshaper as compared with a regular land. That's +1 mana. Alpine Moon turned Eye of Ugin into a land which taps for mana. That's +2 total mana. The Eldrazi player's opponent had to spend on Alpine Moon which he couldn't spend on something else. Thats +3 total mana. HUGE tempo swing in the eldrazi player's favor, which means that this interaction is actually favorable for eldrazi. By your logic however, The eldrazi player's opponent SHOULD have come out ahead because his card "answered" the eldrazi player's card.
If you still aren't understanding this... tempo can be a complicated concept. My honest recommendation is to play magic as frequently as possible, and maybe get into competitive Hearthstone for a while before you get fed up with Hearthstone's stagnant metas and give up on the game. For all its flaws and stagnation, Hearthstone is a great learning ground for core concepts of competitive card games (sequencing, value, tempo, win-conditions, etc).
What I'm getting at is this: Sometimes it costs your opponent more to answer your card than it costs you to play it. In that situation, it doesn't matter that your card got answered, because you came out ahead on that exchange. That's the core of why Eldrazi decks are broken: They are tempo monstrosities that are nigh on impossible to stop IN A FAVORABLE MANNER.
1 year ago
Playing with Temur and Cascade, a couple of legendary creatures come to mind; Jori En, Ruin Diver and Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, this interaction might be more fun than competitive though. Another creature that comes to mind is Epochrasite (also an artifact for Tarmogoyf), you also might want an additional cascade enabler like Violent Outburst. Tarfire is in your deck to give you a tribal card for Tarmogoyf, I get that, but it is less efficient than Lava Spike, Skullcrack or Searing Blaze.
For all this is a cascade deck, it seems to be constructed in a way which is reasonably fair. That might be it's biggest weakness, well that and the removal available in modern. In any event this is an interesting brew, I hope you have fun and my suggestions are of some help.
1 year ago
2 years ago
Divinity_infinitum but here's my dilemma, i couldnt cascade into it with Bloodbraid Elf or Violent Outburst and I wouldnt be able to catch it with a collected company. It also wouldn't pump Monastery Swiftspear because its an activated ability. Ill run it at thursday night modern and at friday night magic and see if I like it over Colossal Might
2 years ago
Have you considered replacing bloodbraid elf with the cheaper (in two ways) Violent Outburst if you're really going for budget then try it out I think it'd make the deck cheaper (however if you've already bought the deck there's really no point to this)
2 years ago
Storm is the only UR deck on Blood Moon, and the card is still played in numerous other places.