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Return target creature to its owner's hand. Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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Voyage's End Discussion
3 months ago
Unstable Obelisk- Its mana intensive to do, but this effect is very valuable to have in your colors. I recommend having it just in case.
Bedlam Reveler- A very good topdeck late in the game, as well as an efficent beater for that refills your hand. Not so good if you're early on and dont have self mill
Bloodwater Entity- for a Reclaim and an evasive body with prowess is not a bad rate. Downside of course is having to use your jori trigger or a cantrip to get the card into your hand (but thats not so hard).
Torrential Gearhulk- This is the only gearhulk that is seeing modern play for a reason. It lets us keep using our graveyard as a resource, while being a big body. Very often you can flash it in to block and cast a random spell in your graveyard FOR FREE to get a jori trigger. Thats a 3 for 1. And now you have a 5/6.
Magma Jet- Part of my efforts to find interaction that gives card advantage. 2 damage isn't a lot, but its an instant speed play that can pick off utility creatures while giving us powerful card selection
Oona's Grace-Particularly powerful with your cost reducers, gives us a way to use our excess lands to hit jori triggers. Also an excellent card to discard.
Remand- Tempo play that digs you deeper. I'd probably fire this one off at the first chance i'd get.
Voyage's End- Instant speed bounce with scry. Similar options discussed later.
Riptide Laboratory- mana is actually a big issue with this deck, but I think this effect is powerful enough
Anchor to the Aether- Sorcery speed, but going to the top of the library messes up your opponent's next draw, while the scry digs you further through the deck. I haven't played with this one yet, but it might be good to test.
Pieces of the Puzzle- is a lot and sorcery speed sucks, but this is a powerful draw spell that has the advantage of also filling your graveyard
Spite of Mogis- This is the addition that I am most proud of. I can't believe we didn't know this card existed.
Perilous Voyage- Excellent if it hits something with cmc or less, underwhelming if not. Meta call. Also note that it has cyclonic rift's restriction.
Repulse-Bounce with draw. I think this is the best rate for this effect.
Select for Inspection-A bit troublesome to use, but the scry bounce for only is nice
Stymied Hopes- I'd consider this one a tempo play. Hit the first thing you can, so you can get that sweet sweet scry.
Unsubstantiate- Versatile spell, but the lack of card advantage on it is a minus
Baral's Expertise- Big bounce spell, will trigger Jori. But costs .
Mystic Speculation- Could be ok. Scry 3 is a lot, but thats all it does. I dont see you buying this back all that often.
Shreds of Sanity- 2 cards back for 3 mana + a card. Sounds interesting
Strategic Planning- sorcery speed impulse, but fills your yard.
Void Snare- 1 mana bounce
5 months ago
As a more detailed comment from the one I made the other day-
Part I) Cards to remove and why:
A) Angler Drake- You have this in here mainly so you can abuse your "enter the battlefield" effects. There are plenty of cheaper options to do this.
B) Storm Sculptor- Basically the same reason as Angler Drake.
C) Sylvan Primordial-Depending on who you ask, this card may or may not be banned. Might as well play it safe and take it out.
Part II) Cards to consider removing and why:
A) Emperor's Vanguard- It's a decently powerful creature for its cost and can help you get land, but there are some more reliable ways to get card advantage. If you add more ways to get through opponents defenses (i.e. unblockable effects) then I guess this can stay.
B) Blossom Dryad- It's good because it can untap the lands that tap for two mana, but you might want to go for a more reliable, cheaper mana source (i.e. Birds of Paradise, Curse of Bounty, Deserted Temple, Krosan Restorer, Bloom Tender, Elvish Mystic, Gyre Sage, Llanowar Elves, Quirion Elves, Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary, Sylvan Caryatid
C) Carnage Tyrant- It's a powerful creature, and it's hard to get rid of, but other than that, it doesn't offer much. Considering you have other power creatures in your deck (i.e. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger), you might want to consider replacing the tyrant with something just as big that can offer more synergy with the rest of your deck. Consider: Sphinx Ambassador or Colossal Whale, among others.
D) Last Thoughts- Gives you a single card with the promise of more cards later, which is nice, but for 4 mana you could probably reliably get more card draw than this card offers.
E) Growing Rites of Itlimoc- In many decks this card is very powerful, but for your deck, in playtesting it turns out you rarely have 4 creatures out at a time, making this card not really worth having in your deck. You have plenty of other ways to get loads of mana, so you can probably remove this one without problem.
F) Jace's Erasure- It's nice to mil cards especially since you're drawing cards anyway, but mil is an unreliable way to debilitate your opponent unless your whole deck is built around the strategy. You might be able to remove a good card or two, but it's a gamble that often doesn't pay off in the long run.
G) Loxodon Warhammer- Good card, not much synergy with your deck. There are better cards that you can use to combo things.
Part III) Small creatures to consider:After playtesting a bunch, it seems your deck likely needs a few more small creatures so you have a better chance of defending yourself or making a dent in your opponent early on. Here are a few suggestions:
A) Invisible Stalker- Small dude, unblockable and hexproof. It's pretty neat and you can combo with those cards that let you draw if you deal damage to an opponent.
B) Ohran Viper- Smallish creature, gets you early card advantage. Deathtouch is a nice touch.
C) Slith Predator- Smaller than Ohran Viper but it gets bigger the more often you poke an opponent with it.
D) Slith Strider- The best of both Ohran Viper and Slith Predator. You might draw a card, you might make the little guy bigger, either way, you get a good early-game bonus.
E) Thada Adel, Acquisitor- Smallish creature, and chances are your opponent as a good artifact or two you can abuse. Early on you can exile cards you don't want your opponent to use, and later on you can just summon that shit for yourself.
F) Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist- Smallish creature, makes one of your other creatures unblockable every turn. Early game helps with the little dudes like the Slith bros or Thada Adel, late game helps with your big guys to deal big damage to your opponents.
G) Stealer of Secrets- Another small dude that gets you card advantage early on.
Part IV) Removal to consider:The other big thing I noticed when playtesting with your deck is you don't have much removal for when your opponent sneaks past your counter spells. Here are a few suggestions to remedy that.
A) Cyclonic Rift- If you would put any of my suggestions in your deck, you should definitely put this one in. Reacts effectively to early-game threats as well as late-game ones (Plus it hilariously screws with token decks since tokens die instead of going into a hand). When you overload it, it bypasses both hexproof and indestructible. Very few cards can resist it at that point.
B) Wash Out- Can be pretty helpful, especially if your opponent doesn't play blue or green. Works as cyclonic rift in regards to bypassing defenses.
C) Dissolve- Yeah it's another counter spell but this one lets you scry.
D) Voyage's End- Removes a threat and lets you scry.
E) Duplicant- You probably remember this one from my karador EDH. It's not as good here, but it's still good removal. Exiles an enemy while getting yourself a decent creature in the process.
F) Phyrexian Ingester- Blue Duplicant.
G) Brittle Effigy- Exiles a threat and puts your opponent on edge because WHO WILL YOU EXILE OH GOD!
H) Heartseeker- Somewhat reliable destroy effect for creatures, which is uncommon in blue.
I) Curse of the Swine- Exiles multiple creatures and replaces them with cute lil piggies (I love Theros lore, it's just straight-up greek mythology)
J) Reality Shift- Cheap exile effect with an insignificant drawback.
K) Pongify- Cheap destroy effect with a drawback that's only a big deal in the early game.
L) Rapid Hybridization- Same as Pongify.
M) Lux Cannon- Pretty decent late-game removal, but it takes time to set up.
N) Ugin, the Spirit Dragon- Pretty neat planeswalker addition with removal and card draw.
O) Steel Hellkite- Pretty neat creature that removes stuff, easy to hit opponent with your unblockable shenanigans.
P) Krosan Grip- Good cheap removal.
Q) Acidic Slime- Good mid-game creature. Removal and deathtouch.
R) Song of the Dryads- Can hilariously be used on commanders without sending them to the command zone.
S) Evacuation- The blue version of a board wipe.
Part V) Abusing "Enter the Battlefield" effects, aka "Flicker" effects.You probably want a few more of these.
A) Deadeye Navigator- Flicker whatever you want as many times as you want, provided you have the mana for it. You can change soulbonds every time you flicker.
B) Ghostly Flicker- Flicker two different things and you can do it in response to an opponent targeting something to prevent it from succeeding.
C) Archaeomancer- You want this almost as much as you want eternal witness.
D) Eternal Witness- Bring back any card into your hand. Wanna use any of your instants/sorceries again? Cuz ya can. Want a creature back? Revive that shit.
E) Equilibrium- Works on both your creatures and your opponent's.
F) Mulldrifter- For three mana, it's basically a sorcery that draws you a couple cards. For five mana, it's a creature that can be flickered.
G) Palinchron- Considering the lands you have that provide double mana, you may end up with an infinite mana combo here.
H) Nephalia Smuggler- Reliable flicker effect.
I) Augury Owl- Small flickerable creature, plus you can get an early-game scry which is nice.
J) Omenspeaker- Same as the owl.
G) Cryptic Annelid- More scrying.
H) Fool's Demise- Keep your big guys alive while abusing their "enter the battlefield" effect.
I) Mystic Snake- Since you love countering so much, why don't you flicker to get even more countering?
J) Prime Speaker Zegana- Hey this looks kinda like your commander, doesn't it?
K) Strionic Resonator- This works on any trigger effect, which includes every one of your "enter the battlefield" effects.
Part VI) Land ShenanigansYou can always use more land shenanigans. It's pretty easy to replace a basic land with one of these options.
A) Hinterland Harbor-Good dual land. Chances are you can get it out untapped, and it's not even a big deal if it comes in tapped.
B) Rogue's Passage- Why is this not already in here?
C) Breeding Pool- Another good dual land option. It also counts as a "forest" or "island" for effects that specify those words (i.e. Hinterland Harbor).
Part VII) Other cards to consider and why:A) Prophet of Kruphix- Really synergizes with your counter spells. Feel free to tap out all your land to play a creature, cuz at the beginning of your opponent's untap step (even before their upkeep), all your land is free to use again to counter stuff (and use other instant-speed effects).
B) Genesis- Bringing back your dead creatures is usually a good thing.
C) Sphinx Ambassador- Fun big card.
D) Colossal Whale- Another fun big card.
E) Hunter's Insight- Easy way to get a good amount of card advantage.
F) Veil of Secrecy- Creature gets hexproof and unblockable for a turn, which is neat.
G) Artful Dodge- More unblockable.
H) Boundless Realms- ALL THE RAMP
I) Protective Bubble- The blue whispersilk cloak.
J) Aqueous Form-Unblockable AND scry
K) Into the Wilds- More ramp is nice.
The problem with EDH is you ONLY get 100 cards, which always sounds like a lot more than it is. At one point it just becomes a question of what do yo personally like the most. Have fun narrowing this list down.
5 months ago
Cards to consider: Invisible Stalker, Ohran Viper, Slith Predator, Slith Strider, Sphinx Ambassador, Thada Adel, Acquisitor, Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist, Strionic Resonator, Cyclonic Rift, Hunter's Insight, Veil of Secrecy, Hinterland Harbor, Rogue's Passage, Artful Dodge, Boundless Realms, Protective Bubble, Aqueous Form, Colossal Whale, Dissolve, Into the Wilds, Stealer of Secrets, Voyage's End
6 months ago
Rid yourself of Crosstown Courier, Thassa's Devourer (too expensive), and all of the spells that give you unblockable. Try some creatures that force your opponent to make choices. Salvage Drone or Invisible Stalker + Curiosity or Trepanation Blade. Another handy artifact would be Infiltration Lens.
Unquenchable Thirst is useless, as you don't have any Deserts in the deck.
Don't worry about doing so much damage, so you don't need Spectral Flight, just keep spells that keep milling. If you do need a backup win, use the cards in the graveyards to your advantage with Jace's Phantasm. Doubles as a hefty blocker as well.
Hope this helps speed it up a little!
7 months ago
N4kk1 no worries your not out of line or mean at all i get where you are coming from. there are some brutal decks in the format. Ive been playing on and off for many years and have fallen into the trap of being/building competitive before to a point where i almost forgot how to have fun and enjoy the game. even with the budget aside; This deck (for me anyway) is kinda going back to my roots of playing with "style" and actually having fun and an interactive experience again.
and that DS with feel the WRATH of my Voyage's End/Dissolve!!! :p in situational/most cases Mana Leak is a superior counter but most times just paying on condescend is enough for a successful counter and i have the "option" to dump more mana into it for the late game and the scry 2 is always welcomed... if i was running Stymied Hopes i would take Mana Leak tho.
8 months ago
puetypoo - Like the kids from the movie Elm Street said, "You again?!" A pleasure to make your acquaintance again, puetypoo. Countervailing Winds works very well for me. I just missed the scry mechanic cards like Voyage's End and Magma Jet where my deck really shine. This current meta lack of such a perk - shame. Although, this deck hasn't lost its synergy. Disallow might be in the sideboard, but we will see. Thank you.
11 months ago
Some other "inexpensive" cards that could be fun:
- Capsize / Cyclonic Rift / Voyage's End / Crystal Shard / Wash Out for more bounce
- Isochron Scepter because a spell on a stick is always handy
- Curse of the Swine great removal (and VERY cheap for how good it is)
- Spell Crumple because a counterspell that goes back in to your deck rocks
- Ponder / Fact or Fiction / Blue Sun's Zenith / Foresee for more draw
11 months ago
Yes, with some fine print.
As a result, you can choose one of two (really, three) options:
1: You see a potential blocker that you'd rather not give your opponent the chance to declare. You cast Voyage's End during the declare attackers step, returning that creature to its owner's hand so that it can't be declared as a blocker. Your opponent can still declare a different blocker if able.
2: You move to the declare blockers step. Your opponent declares a blocker. After blockers are declared, you cast Voyage's End and return it to its owner's hand. Your creature is still blocked, though. Once blocked, an attacking creature remains blocked until the end of combat. Removing the blocker will not cause your attacker to become unblocked.
"Other"/3: You just don't cast Voyage's End.