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Delver of Secrets
Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If an instant or sorcery card is revealed this way, transform Delver of Secrets.
Delver of Secrets Discussion
1 day ago
Mainly Improvements I think you can make / Problems that I've found / Why this is a bad storm deck | Skip to the bottom for the Conclusion
3 BIG PROBLEMS > Mana, Consistency, and Modern itself
I will preface this with a statement, Modern HATES Storm. Almost all of the storm cards that Modern used to play are banned. Seething Song , Rite of Flame , Treasure Cruise , Dig Through Time , Ponder , Preordain , Faithless Looting , and Gitaxian Probe are all banned because of Storm and their use in or / storm decks. A lot of what I'll say will have relevance to Modern, but Storm is best in Vintage with access to the older Storm Cards. Some of the CARDS I mention will only be legal in Vintage, but the ideas/problems with this deck all have relevance to Modern
Differences I've found
Storm needs mana to do all the things it does. Do you know why Seething Song and Rite of Flame are banned? Because Storm took them and won on turn 1-2 and then kept winning on turn 1-2. However, because those things are banned, we need a compromise: Cards that make mana. Cards like Manamorphose , Desperate Ritual , and Pyretic Ritual can all get you the Generic portion of spells.
A difference between this deck and most Storm decks is that a) it doesn't win with Tendrils of Agony , which, although a black card, is way more efficient than Grapeshot but I'll talk about Winning later b) the cards that up the storm count don't do anything. Your Memnites, Ornithopters, and Darksteel Relics don't do anything on their own, they just cost 0. In other Storm decks, cards like Serum Visions , Manamorphose , Opt , and Deep Analysis all draw more cards while being cheap and upping the storm count.
Storm can win through other things too. Things like I dunno, creatures that DO things. Delver of Secrets Flip, Thing in the Ice Flip, and Baral, Chief of Compliance all a) do things and b) can ATTACK (Well, not Baral). If your Storm count fizzles, you still have a 3/2 flyer or a 7/8. Also, fizzling. In this deck, it's not so bad because your win condition is Aetherflux Reservoir , but fizzling is either because of a) not cards in hand or b) no mana. I've playtested this deck a few times, and what happens is I'm either top-decking, or I have no lands, both of which are TERRIBLE for a storm deck. This deck barely wins before turn 7-9, which in Modern is abysmally bad.
Your Win-Condition. You chose probably the hardest win condition in Storm. In a perfect game, where all the spells to setup are cast WHILE Aetherflux Reservoir is in play, you need to cast 8 spells to get to >50 life (56 to be exact; 20+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=56). So before you start going off, you need to get 4 mana and then live long enough to untap. It is very possible to get to 8 spells, but in this deck, it isn't. The way you cast spells, and the way those spells let you cast other spells means that you'll almost never have enough cards in hand to win. The ONLY line that I see is, yes, Retract , but that bounces Aetherflux Reservoir too, and we just spent 4 mana putting that thing in play. Even if we put Aetherflux into play again, we need 4 zero mana artifacts that WEREN'T in play last turn, which isn't impossible per se. So the things that this deck needs to win are a) Aetherflux Reservoir ALREADY IN PLAY b) Retract in hand c) 4 zero mana artifacts in hand d) Mana to both cast Retract AND Aetherflux Reservoir and e) a life total of at least 15. That's 5 things that this deck needs. 5 things in ONE HUNDRED CARDS!? Also, Aetherflux Reservoir isn't even a 4-of??! Not only would making you draw it easier, but 2 Aetherfluxes in play is not that bad if your win condition is >50 life. For storm it's bad, but for this, it's okay (Keep in mind a good thing in a bad deck is bad).
So, Aetherflux Reservoir sucks. What else is there?
PROS: 1) Can be cast multiple times throughout the game. The difference with Tendrils and Reservoir is that Reservoir is all or nothing; you NEED >50 life to win. Tendrils can be cast multiple times to win. If you cast tendrils for only say StormCount™ is 4, that's 8 life down for our opponent. Then, you can keep casting it. Maybe later you cast it for StormCount™ 5, that's 10 life down and 10 life gained. It's also a better thing for fizzling. If you even think you're going to fizzle, keep mana for tendrils. Tendrils should always be the last thing you cast each turn to maximize the StormCount™ 2) It's efficient. For the same mana cost as Reservoir, you get an immediate effect that drains your opponent. Also, each life that our opponent loses is great for us because instead of us gaining life, we're draining our opponent. In a format of Fetches and Shocks, 2 life is very easy to lose. Each 2 life our opponent loses is 1 less copy of tendrils we need.
CONS: 1) It's black, and quite a bit at that. We need 2 black mana to cast this thing. But, cards like Manamorphose , the Moxen that you have, Black Dual Lands, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or even just good old fashion Basic Swamp are all better than what you have right now. 16 Basics + 6 Basic Fetches is a lot for Modern. I know you're playing 100 cards, but that is still a lot. No Scalding Tarn s? No Fiery Islet s? Not even playing other duals? The Fast Lands, the Pain Lands, The Battle Lands, The Check Lands? All of these are not only but have black variants too.
PROS: 1) Cheaper, only needing to cast 2) Already in your colors / In the deck, so just needs more copies 3) Hits creatures to make way for creature damage to get through 4) Great support Card, makes Tendrils better by needing fewer copies and can chip away at a life total and help your creatures kill your opponent
CONS: 1) Really inefficient. You need to one-for-one your opponent's life total with StormCount™ if this is the MAIN win-con
PROS: 1) Cheap, needing to cast and already in your colors 2) Mill is a lot easier in Modern than Commander. Not only is every card our opponent draws good for us, but they only have ~60 cards to mill 3) Goes great with High Tide WHICH YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY BE PLAYING TO HELP YOUR AWFUL MANA
CONS: 1) Also pretty inefficient, milling 3 per StormCount™. However, unlike Grapeshot, players are constantly drawing cards and are probably drawing more than 1 per turn. 2) Completely dies to "Shuffle your graveyard into your library..." effects, so probably not a main win-con, but something to keep cards away from your opponents by milling them
PROS: 1) Very powerful at high storm count. Even with low storm count, if you can hit a Tendrils, a Grapeshot, or another Mind's Desire, then you can not only keep adding to the StormCount™ but kill your opponent 2) Adds to the StormCount™ because you cast the card
CONS: 1) A bit expensive mana-wise, but if you can be making mana with rituals or casting High Tide , then it's no problem
PROS: 1) On Color, Average cost 2) It makes a lot of creatures that can attack OR block. Also, unlike Awoken Horror , it is very hard to block all of them at once
CONS: 1) Summoning Sickness
CONCLUSION Read this if you only care about what I think of the deck and not on improvements
Honestly, the deck sucks. Aetherflux Reservoir is slow enough on its own, but the mana base, the support cards, and the number of cards make it even worse. With 100 cards, you can almost never get the pieces to fall into place right. You have very little card-draw and none of your cards replace themselves. You have to wait to at least turn 4 to cast Reservoir, and before that, you can't do anything. You can't cast your Memnite on turn 1 because that's less card to have on turn 4-5 when you have Aetherflux. Waiting until turn 4-5 to dump your hand of do-nothings is not the best. A hand dump of anything is probably not great, but in this deck of cards that don't replace themselves, it's extra bad. You'll almost never have enough cards after a hand dump. 1/3 of your deck is 0 mana artifacts. 1 card does anything on its own and you only have two copies of it. Mox Opal is the only card of the THIRD of your deck that does anything on its own. Mox Amber can only tap for mana if you have one of only FIVE legendary creatures/planeswalkers in play. With 100 cards, that never happens. Memnite and Ornithopter are never winning a game on their own in this deck. Darksteel Relic has no activated abilities. If Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia are 0 mana artifacts, then they also have no activated abilities. Paradise Mantle needs a creature. Spellbook does basically nothing because you aren't drawing cards. A lot of the other cards don't do anything either. I don't know why you are playing 100 cards if not a lot of them do things.
Unwinding Clock - What are you untapping that you need on your opponent's turn?
Isochron Scepter - a total of 12 cards and they are Vandalblast , which is NOT main-deck playable, Grapeshot , Rapid Hybridization , Dramatic Reversal , which, while it does untap the Sceptor, does very little in this deck, Cyclonic Rift , which can't be overloaded, and Retract , which bounces the Scepter and leaves Retract in exile. Not only is it rare to have an imprint target, but that target sucks.
Shimmer Myr - You don't need flash if you're doing everything on your turn
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant - You don't need its flip side
Now, a lot of these cards are 1-of's which is good. But there are cards that you have 1 of which are amazing. Most of them are legendary creatures, which drawing 2 of kinda sucks, but in 100 cards (which is still dumb) you'll never get them if you only have one copy
Urza, Lord High Artificer - Lets your do-nothing artifacts tap for ! Also, he gets you a creature that, with a lot of artifacts, can attack for lethal. ALSO, he has an activated ability which, with excess dumb artifacts, can keep you casting spells
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain - DRAWS YOU SO MANY CARDS!! Is also a 3/3
100 cards is a bad idea in general. Consistency is a big part of any format. Even with 100 cards, you can still up consistency. Splash for tutors, White or Black, to find the cards you need.
Sideboards are a thing and can have up to 15 cards. Put targeting removal like Vandalblast there instead of your main deck. The "hate" cards of MTG go in the sideboard
2 days ago
4 days ago
I haven't found a tuned list. My point is that because of the heavy-combo metagame right now, if you use blue-tempo style interaction to rip up the opponent's hand and stop them from comboing, you just win if you resolve a threat. Historically delver lists use Delver of Secrets Flip since it is a 1 mana 3/2 flier. Currently Oko, Tarmogoyf and Gurmag Angler are used as well for this purpose in the most common Sultai Delver list. The issue is these threats are answered cleanly with countermagic. Abusing Cavern of Souls in a deck that can compare in terms of answers leads to those counterspells being useless on a threat. In terms of removal you have Ice-Fang Coatl being an uncounterable removal spell that draws a card. This means you have a better game against other fair blue decks like Dreadhords Arcanist decks and Delver.
The issue is the combo decks are much better when they are given more time to draw into their combo, since the threats in Snakes are worse than in other fair decks in terms of overall value. Arcanist draws and bolts and crushes other fair decks, whereas Delver is just more efficient than Hexdrinker, when they take the same spot.
Green Sun's Zenith is the reason that I think the deck can overcome this. By using it as another shuffle with Brainstorm you can get more out of it than it already gets, but it requires a lot of Green creature cards. Given Force of Negation and Force of Will require a lot of blue ones the deck is split trying to run a lot of blue-green cards, or wants to draw blue ones but have green ones in deck, the deck has consistency issues. If I can work those out this deck could function.
Ice-Fang is already played in the somewhat Fringe Bant-Snowko deck abusing Oko and Ice-Fang along with a Bant value-town deck. That walker-based strategy is strong, but lacks consistency as well, playing a nearly bant-control game and running all copies of Brainstorm and Ponder to make up for its consistency issues.
3 weeks ago
If you are just looking for something that feels like this, check out the 'tempo' archetype. The archetype in blue/red is traditionally called 'delver' (after Delver of Secrets Flip ). Delver itself isn't pioneer legal, but since other staples of the deck are avalable, its worth tinkering. Cards like Bedlam Reveler for hand refills, Monastery Swiftspear doing swiftspear things, and lots of 1 mana instants/sorceries. Bounce spells are decent in this list, because you try to kill your opponent before card advantage matters. Since Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time are still unbanned, you should play some number of them. It may become a 'wizards' archetype to support Wizard's Lightning and Wizard's Retort , but there are questions over whether Stormchaser Mage and Soul-Scar Mage are worth it.
Have a look for any deck with a good mtgo showing or tournament finish in pioneer if you want to dig into specifics, and remember that you will need to plan around whatever other decks are doing in the format, including sideboard.
1 month ago
I'm looking to make this deck more effective. I played a Modern tournament recently and found that most people who were playing with blue used Force of Negation . They sometimes had a whole playset going. Other decks I had trouble against were fast Red/Blue Delver of Secrets Flip decks. This made it difficult to get certain combos running. Many of my own counterspells were ineffective against Force of Negation . So I started looking into counterspells that could not be countered, like Overwhelming Denial , and other cards that make all of my instants and sorceries uncounterable, Sphinx of the Final Word (a bit too expensive though) and Boseiju, Who Shelters All . My thinking is that with the tree most of my important spells would be protected. My issue is that it would drain me of life quite quickly, so Prism Ring was also an idea (the problem with the ring is that it has no form of protection for itself, plus I want most of my spells to give me multiple options). Supreme Will was a card I was seriously considering. Not only would Kefnet reduce its cost, it essentially has the same ability as Narset (possibly 1 mana to choose a card from the top 4 cards of your library is a good deal). Another reason I thought about Supreme Will is because 2 of its mana are colorless. This means that I could use the tree for my sell. Cards like Archmage's Charm cost three blue so there is no way to make it uncounterable with the tree. Surgical Extraction was a card that I thought would be hugely beneficial against annoying counterspells like Force of Negation . Even though I myself have a Force of Negation , I wanted my deck to have the last word in countering spells. the idea was for this deck to be a counter deck that cannot be countered.
It would be appreciated if to be given some ideas for cards that might come in handy against such threats. I'm mostly looking for sideboard cards as not all I play agasint will be counter decks.
1 month ago
I think Inquisition of Kozilek and Delver of Secrets Flip might not be legal. I ran into the same problem and just threw collective brutality in the main instead. Don't know if theres better alternatives yet. Maybe duress if the format looks favorable for that?
1 month ago
The biggest flaw I see in this deck is the lack of consistency. For the most part, you want to focus on running many 4 copies of most cards (perhaps 2-3 if they have a higher mana cost).
Starting with cards that can win you the game:
Thing in the Ice Flip, which you have one copy of, is a rather potent card that has strong synergy with the remainder of your deck. It comes down early, where it is a good blocker, and then clears way to attack for a large amount of damage fairly quickly. I'd consider running four copies of it.
Frankly, that's about all you need in the way of creatures, unless you want to spring for the powerful, yet pricey Snapcaster Mage . The rest of your deck should be filled with cheap, easy-to-cast spells, so you can stall out the game and transform your Thing in the Ice.
To that end: 4x Opt is a must, as well as 4x Serum Visions for even further card draw. Rune Snag , Mana Leak , and Remand are all solid options for counters in Modern. Archmage's Charm and Cryptic Command are both good for having 2-3 copies of, though you don't want to run a full 4, since you would rather not draw them on turns 1 and 2. Vapor Snag and Unsummon are decent tempo cards, though they're a bit more effective in a deck with more creatures.
For cuts, I would get rid of any conditional counterspell or counterspell with a CMC of 3 or more, other than those outlined above, and any tempo card that does not cost 1. Then I would cut the creatures down to those outlined above.
Alternatively, you could go for a more midrange Blue deck with a greater reliance on creatures. I can provide some suggestions for that strategy, if that is the path you wish to go down.
1 month ago
What do you currently play?
Tempo doesn't really play wincons. Wincons are a thing in control decks. Typically tempo plays efficient creatures that eventually win the game while you use your disruption to keep your opponent from winning.
Delver of Secrets occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.13%
All decks: 0.79%