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Veil of Secrecy
Instant — Arcane
Target creature gains shroud until end of turn and is unblockable this turn.
Splice onto Arcane-Return a blue creature you control to its owner's hand. (As you play an Arcane spell, you may reveal this card from your hand and pay its splice cost. If you do, add this card's effects to that spell.)
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Veil of Secrecy Discussion
8 months ago
9 months ago
Have you thought about Lightning Greaves or Veil of Secrecy to help your Persistent Nightmare, and/or provide cover for your Archfiend/Phanstasm's? Perhaps working in some counter spells like Psychic Strike might help too. I also love Talent of the Telepath in a blue mill deck. See my Group Mill Deck for other ideas.
Another interesting idea that fits this deck perfectly would be Haunting Echoes. I've been wanting to find a way to work this into a Mill Deck, but mine relies on them keeping cards in their graveyard to boost my creatures. This would work perfectly with your deck.
11 months ago
No Problem ;) Hope you have fun in this fun format.
Regarding Arcane spells I realized that Veil of Secrecy only works on blue creatures which is why it don't work on Blastoderm. Sorry for the false suggestion.
11 months ago
Blastoderm has Shroud. Meaning it can't be the target of Man-o'-War's ability. Wormfang Drake doesn't target any card but forces you to exil a card just like other effects forces players to sacrifice creatures which is why it's the only card that allows you to reset your Blastoderm. But you have a problem if Wormfang Drake is killed while its first ability is on the stack. That way you won't get the creature it exiles back. Altough you still have the option to say I rather sacrifice it and nothing happens because it already left the battlefield -> Meaning if it get killed while its ability on the stack you shouldn't use it on your Blastoderm.
Cards that forces a cost upon you and doesn't use the word target can be used to flicker Blastoderm like:Keymaster Rogue, Storm Sculptor , Veil of Secrecy (if you have other arcane spells)Also some others but I wouldn't suggest them: Havengul Skaab, Horned Kavu (not in your color identity).I hope this helps. Maybe you want blue or green Arcane spells to use Veil of Secrecy more often while making a non-Blastoderm unblockable.
1 year ago
1 year ago
As a more detailed comment from the one I made the other day-
Part I) Cards to remove and why:
A) Angler Drake- You have this in here mainly so you can abuse your "enter the battlefield" effects. There are plenty of cheaper options to do this.
B) Storm Sculptor- Basically the same reason as Angler Drake.
C) Sylvan Primordial-Depending on who you ask, this card may or may not be banned. Might as well play it safe and take it out.
Part II) Cards to consider removing and why:
A) Emperor's Vanguard- It's a decently powerful creature for its cost and can help you get land, but there are some more reliable ways to get card advantage. If you add more ways to get through opponents defenses (i.e. unblockable effects) then I guess this can stay.
B) Blossom Dryad- It's good because it can untap the lands that tap for two mana, but you might want to go for a more reliable, cheaper mana source (i.e. Birds of Paradise, Curse of Bounty, Deserted Temple, Krosan Restorer, Bloom Tender, Elvish Mystic, Gyre Sage, Llanowar Elves, Quirion Elves, Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary, Sylvan Caryatid
C) Carnage Tyrant- It's a powerful creature, and it's hard to get rid of, but other than that, it doesn't offer much. Considering you have other power creatures in your deck (i.e. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger), you might want to consider replacing the tyrant with something just as big that can offer more synergy with the rest of your deck. Consider: Sphinx Ambassador or Colossal Whale, among others.
D) Last Thoughts- Gives you a single card with the promise of more cards later, which is nice, but for 4 mana you could probably reliably get more card draw than this card offers.
E) Growing Rites of Itlimoc- In many decks this card is very powerful, but for your deck, in playtesting it turns out you rarely have 4 creatures out at a time, making this card not really worth having in your deck. You have plenty of other ways to get loads of mana, so you can probably remove this one without problem.
F) Jace's Erasure- It's nice to mil cards especially since you're drawing cards anyway, but mil is an unreliable way to debilitate your opponent unless your whole deck is built around the strategy. You might be able to remove a good card or two, but it's a gamble that often doesn't pay off in the long run.
G) Loxodon Warhammer- Good card, not much synergy with your deck. There are better cards that you can use to combo things.
Part III) Small creatures to consider:After playtesting a bunch, it seems your deck likely needs a few more small creatures so you have a better chance of defending yourself or making a dent in your opponent early on. Here are a few suggestions:
A) Invisible Stalker- Small dude, unblockable and hexproof. It's pretty neat and you can combo with those cards that let you draw if you deal damage to an opponent.
B) Ohran Viper- Smallish creature, gets you early card advantage. Deathtouch is a nice touch.
C) Slith Predator- Smaller than Ohran Viper but it gets bigger the more often you poke an opponent with it.
D) Slith Strider- The best of both Ohran Viper and Slith Predator. You might draw a card, you might make the little guy bigger, either way, you get a good early-game bonus.
E) Thada Adel, Acquisitor- Smallish creature, and chances are your opponent as a good artifact or two you can abuse. Early on you can exile cards you don't want your opponent to use, and later on you can just summon that shit for yourself.
F) Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist- Smallish creature, makes one of your other creatures unblockable every turn. Early game helps with the little dudes like the Slith bros or Thada Adel, late game helps with your big guys to deal big damage to your opponents.
G) Stealer of Secrets- Another small dude that gets you card advantage early on.
Part IV) Removal to consider:The other big thing I noticed when playtesting with your deck is you don't have much removal for when your opponent sneaks past your counter spells. Here are a few suggestions to remedy that.
A) Cyclonic Rift- If you would put any of my suggestions in your deck, you should definitely put this one in. Reacts effectively to early-game threats as well as late-game ones (Plus it hilariously screws with token decks since tokens die instead of going into a hand). When you overload it, it bypasses both hexproof and indestructible. Very few cards can resist it at that point.
B) Wash Out- Can be pretty helpful, especially if your opponent doesn't play blue or green. Works as cyclonic rift in regards to bypassing defenses.
C) Dissolve- Yeah it's another counter spell but this one lets you scry.
D) Voyage's End- Removes a threat and lets you scry.
E) Duplicant- You probably remember this one from my karador EDH. It's not as good here, but it's still good removal. Exiles an enemy while getting yourself a decent creature in the process.
F) Phyrexian Ingester- Blue Duplicant.
G) Brittle Effigy- Exiles a threat and puts your opponent on edge because WHO WILL YOU EXILE OH GOD!
H) Heartseeker- Somewhat reliable destroy effect for creatures, which is uncommon in blue.
I) Curse of the Swine- Exiles multiple creatures and replaces them with cute lil piggies (I love Theros lore, it's just straight-up greek mythology)
J) Reality Shift- Cheap exile effect with an insignificant drawback.
K) Pongify- Cheap destroy effect with a drawback that's only a big deal in the early game.
L) Rapid Hybridization- Same as Pongify.
M) Lux Cannon- Pretty decent late-game removal, but it takes time to set up.
N) Ugin, the Spirit Dragon- Pretty neat planeswalker addition with removal and card draw.
O) Steel Hellkite- Pretty neat creature that removes stuff, easy to hit opponent with your unblockable shenanigans.
P) Krosan Grip- Good cheap removal.
Q) Acidic Slime- Good mid-game creature. Removal and deathtouch.
R) Song of the Dryads- Can hilariously be used on commanders without sending them to the command zone.
S) Evacuation- The blue version of a board wipe.
Part V) Abusing "Enter the Battlefield" effects, aka "Flicker" effects.You probably want a few more of these.
A) Deadeye Navigator- Flicker whatever you want as many times as you want, provided you have the mana for it. You can change soulbonds every time you flicker.
B) Ghostly Flicker- Flicker two different things and you can do it in response to an opponent targeting something to prevent it from succeeding.
C) Archaeomancer- You want this almost as much as you want eternal witness.
D) Eternal Witness- Bring back any card into your hand. Wanna use any of your instants/sorceries again? Cuz ya can. Want a creature back? Revive that shit.
E) Equilibrium- Works on both your creatures and your opponent's.
F) Mulldrifter- For three mana, it's basically a sorcery that draws you a couple cards. For five mana, it's a creature that can be flickered.
G) Palinchron- Considering the lands you have that provide double mana, you may end up with an infinite mana combo here.
H) Nephalia Smuggler- Reliable flicker effect.
I) Augury Owl- Small flickerable creature, plus you can get an early-game scry which is nice.
J) Omenspeaker- Same as the owl.
G) Cryptic Annelid- More scrying.
H) Fool's Demise- Keep your big guys alive while abusing their "enter the battlefield" effect.
I) Mystic Snake- Since you love countering so much, why don't you flicker to get even more countering?
J) Prime Speaker Zegana- Hey this looks kinda like your commander, doesn't it?
K) Strionic Resonator- This works on any trigger effect, which includes every one of your "enter the battlefield" effects.
Part VI) Land ShenanigansYou can always use more land shenanigans. It's pretty easy to replace a basic land with one of these options.
A) Hinterland Harbor-Good dual land. Chances are you can get it out untapped, and it's not even a big deal if it comes in tapped.
B) Rogue's Passage- Why is this not already in here?
C) Breeding Pool- Another good dual land option. It also counts as a "forest" or "island" for effects that specify those words (i.e. Hinterland Harbor).
Part VII) Other cards to consider and why:A) Prophet of Kruphix- Really synergizes with your counter spells. Feel free to tap out all your land to play a creature, cuz at the beginning of your opponent's untap step (even before their upkeep), all your land is free to use again to counter stuff (and use other instant-speed effects).
B) Genesis- Bringing back your dead creatures is usually a good thing.
C) Sphinx Ambassador- Fun big card.
D) Colossal Whale- Another fun big card.
E) Hunter's Insight- Easy way to get a good amount of card advantage.
F) Veil of Secrecy- Creature gets hexproof and unblockable for a turn, which is neat.
G) Artful Dodge- More unblockable.
H) Boundless Realms- ALL THE RAMP
I) Protective Bubble- The blue whispersilk cloak.
J) Aqueous Form-Unblockable AND scry
K) Into the Wilds- More ramp is nice.
The problem with EDH is you ONLY get 100 cards, which always sounds like a lot more than it is. At one point it just becomes a question of what do yo personally like the most. Have fun narrowing this list down.
1 year ago
Cards to consider: Invisible Stalker, Ohran Viper, Slith Predator, Slith Strider, Sphinx Ambassador, Thada Adel, Acquisitor, Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist, Strionic Resonator, Cyclonic Rift, Hunter's Insight, Veil of Secrecy, Hinterland Harbor, Rogue's Passage, Artful Dodge, Boundless Realms, Protective Bubble, Aqueous Form, Colossal Whale, Dissolve, Into the Wilds, Stealer of Secrets, Voyage's End
1 year ago
@Tyrant-Thanatos: The reason they're worded that way is likely to prevent players asking exactly the question you inquired about here - while being fundamentally logical, it's not necessarily apparent that Hexproof is an ability of the permanent, not an effect related to the player who granted it in the first place.
That said, those effects would be powerful, but if you consider how easily they disrupt some Commander deck concepts (such as Aura-heavy Sram, Senior Edificer or Uril, the Mistwalker decks, or any equipment-based deck if you bring Protection from Artifacts in the mix), I'm not unhappy that only a few cards do those things. That's also the reason why casting Vines of Vastwood or Stave Off at an extraordinarily beneficial time is all that much better, and because they tend to be very low-costed, it's a very powerful effect as it is - imagine Mother of Runes would (in addition to it's already powerful effect of protecting up to all of your creatures, including itself) also threaten lethal damage to any opponent on the board, at any time. It's a broken card as it is, and limiting the effect to your own creatures is very sensible in my opinion. :)
Aiding you in your search, I believe Ring of Evos Isle is the only other card capable of giving Hexproof to a creature you don't control, if control over the equipped creature changes. Other than that, there are instant-speed options that grant Shround (which serves the same purpose for your intentions): Alexi's Cloak, Mage's Guile, Mystic Veil, Shell Skulkin, Stonewood Invocation, Svyelunite Priest, Veil of Secrecy, and with a bit of setup and the stars aligning even Spectral Guardian. I believe this further underlines that the difference in ease of understanding these mechanics is why there are much more cards available that grant Shround than ones giving Hexproof.