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Collective Restraint Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hey SufferFromEDHD, thanks for the suggestions. I would love to have more relevant stax effects in my deck. But I prefer to have stax effects that only punish people when aiming at me. My experience in my meta is that when I use cards like Heat Stroke, the whole table tends to aim at me. And this is something I do not want, since I need the time to prepare my board with gods. So cards like Collective Restraint are perfect for me. I got some ideas of your list, which is also a great deck!
If you have any other suggestions that could fit my playstyle, then I love to hear them... finding relevant stax pieces is hard...
1 month ago
I would suggest that you add in more pillowfort enchantments, because, well, you're bound to get pummeled in the face sooner or later. Ghostly Prison, Windborn Muse, Koskun Falls, Propaganda, Sphere of Safety, Collective Restraint, Dissipation Field, No Mercy, Aurification, and Peacekeeper all work. One nice combo you can run is Energy Field + Rest in Peace (You can no longer take damage as long as those enchantments remain on the field).
If you're aiming for a more oppressive control deck, you also can throw in Fatespinner, Frozen AEther, Blind Obedience, Torpor Orb, Hushwing Gryff, Iona, Shield of Emeria (especially funny when you're playing against a monocolor deck), Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Meishin, the Mind Cage, Indulgent Tormentor, Painful Quandary, Angelic Arbiter... I could go on and on and on.
I'm not sure about the status of your playgroup, but I also would suggest sweepers like Cataclysm, Tragic Arrogance, Mutilate, Cyclonic Rift, basically any sweeper that says "Sacrifice", "Bounce" or "-X/-X" to account for cards like Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
1 month ago
Collective Restraint could be a potent addition to your prison suite. Love the group hug, +1
1 month ago
Crav96, those are really nice suggestions! Although it's a little difficult to rely on a 2 card combo in an EDH deck, still, lots of cards come and go through the hand, so they should find their way into my hand.
as for the a removal card, I'm thinking of using Crux of Fate it's cost is cheap enough, and... one of my friends just got himself a 2017 dragon commander deck. This card will prove it's worth haha
Collective Restraint will probably, effectively, handicap anyone. Almost feels like a cheat card because it's so simple.
But... playtests will show how much "control" I really need to still keep the game fun.
Thanks a lot Crav96, for helping me complete this deck :)
1 month ago
I see the problem. How about Propaganda and Collective Restraint for the first rounds? They should offer good protection. If you still think you are falling behind then you could have more spot removal-e.g. Doom Blade effects! What works for my draw go deck is the Winter Orb combo:
2 months ago
Got only a couple of suggestions for ya Collective Restraint for more creature lock out, or maybe even Dueling Grounds if you dont wanna be too oppressive. Also maybe Energy Flux/Kataki, War's Wage to help slow down Artifact Combos. Oh and maybe Frozen AEther if you feel like really slowing people down. Sorry if some of these are repeats tried to do a once over on the comments to make sure.
3 months ago
Font of Fertility
Genju of the Fields
Mark of Eviction
Seal of Removal
Vessel of Nascency
Wild Growth, Overgrowth, Fertile Ground, Gift of Paradise, Verdant Haven, Weirding Wood, Annex, Utopia Sprawl, Dawn's Reflection, Frontier Siege, Market Festival,
Font of Fortunes
Oath of Lieges
Seal of Cleansing and Seal of Primordium
Ancestral Mask, Auramancer's Guise,
Bounty of the Luxa
Collective Restraint, Dissipation Field,
Eidolon of Blossoms
Trial of Knowledge
Honden of Seeing Winds
Sigil of the Empty Throne
Fable of Wolf and Owl
Aura of Silence
Rest in Peace, Web of Inertia combo
3 months ago
Oh hey! It's always great to see somebody getting into group hug, I feel like I've had a fair amount of experience playing group hug and politics in general (My first deck was How to Have Fun in EDH - Phelddagrif Surprise) and from my experience I've noticed that people tend to love group hug in the first game that you play, and slowly gravitate towards disliking it. I'm here to help you with preventing that slow decline, because after playing a lot of other decks I've realized that it is preventable if you play the game with enough tact.
The decline in "fun" was partially due to the way I was playing, but also due to the fact that with group hug a) it can make the games last a lot longer, b) people start to become wise to your tricks and the fact that you have win cons in mind and c) group hug can cause the game to change significantly, which means that people sometimes don't get to play their deck the way they wanted to play it. Here is my explanation for each:
a) While it might seem nice and innocent to prevent damage dealt to people and/or give them life (using Avacyn, Guardian Angel for example), all it is really doing sometimes is prolonging the inevitable, and taking away the impact of attacking (see part c). Drawing a lot of cards is fun, but then the control player might end up with an answer for everything. Getting lands/creatures is fun, but it can cause a full-board stalemate. In addition, generally when people have more options/resources, they end up taking a lot longer to play through their turn.
b) Cards like Felidar Sovereign can really turn off players to the idea of group hug, since it sort of removes the veil of friendliness from the deck. The problem is that if you put obvious win cons in the deck, players will start to get suspicious of your every move. For example: If you start giving a player life/hippos, instead of thinking "wow what a nice guy" they might start thinking "hmm, they are probably trying to buy some time since I bet they have a win con soon"
c) I think your deck is a lot better for this than mine (since mine was just all-out group hug with no remorse or concern for limits), but generally I've noticed that when you give players a lot of resources, their initial plans go down the drain; the control player now could have a lot more ways to prevent things from happening, the Johnny now has an army of hippos to block while he searches for his janky combo, the Timmy is complaining because he keeps slamming down awesome creatures, only to have them countered, and that one guy with the really bad deck is still struggling because no matter what resources you give him, everyone else is still benefitting a lot more.
Now there is a very clear rebuttal to all of these: "Well I don't necessarily have to give EVERYONE resources, just the people that need help/are being nice". This is a fairly sound argument for a few games, but then people will get tired of playing "Be the group hug player's friend or lose the game". This is why tact is extremely important.
My advice: Go ahead and have fun: the deck looks fun, the archetype plays fun, but don't go all out every game. Give yourself one game to get to that sweet sweet group hug singularity, but after that practice a bit of self-control. It will help you a ton in the long run.
For example, try limiting yourself to only activating each of Phelddagrif's abilities once per round (or once per player per round) or reconsider using Avacyn, Guardian Angel because it might come back to bite you when people want the game to end, or at least try to leave yourself tapped out sometimes.
Another piece of advice from me is to try to make your win cons more well-hidden. For example, try putting in a Prosperity and a Elixir of Immortality instead of a Felidar Sovereign, then use some group ramp spells like New Frontiers to give yourself enough mana to use it for lethal in an emergency (but of course that was't the intent of putting it in, just something you realized later, right?). I'd suggest removing some of your pillow fort cards like Collective Restraint and Ghostly Prison so that people aren't avoiding attacking you because they can't, but because they don't want to. Giving people choice is the best thing to do
And that segways into the most important thing about politics in EDH: People want control. The reason why so many combo decks aren't fun, the reason why control/stax decks are just so annoying, the reason why people can get so upset at having their creatures killed are all because it took control away from that player. This is why cards like Swans of Bryn Argoll are so freakin effective, because the resources aren't just there - you have to work for them, and it pays off when you get them. Unfortunately, most group hug decks don't realize this, which is why there is such a huge gap between group hug and politics sometimes. Take my grixis control/group slug deck as an example: (source: Your Best Evil Friend - EDH Tempting Deals) Grixis, Control, Group Slug, but somehow heavily political; It's because so many cards that I use give the opponent options, and in the end THEY are the ones making the decision to (with Ludevic's ability), attack somebody other than me or even hurt themselves to draw cards. Mages' Contest is an objectively BAD counterspell in a blue deck (aside from the ability to use red mana), but it puts the burden of having one's spell countered on my opponent's shoulders, making it a surprisingly GOOD card for politics. Other counterspells are still used, but only when the control player already tried to interfere or somebody is getting obviously oppressive/out of hand. This is why vows (ie Vow of Flight, Vow of Wildness and Vow of Duty) are so effective: people can't attack me, but they still gained something, and they still have the same (or even more) control over the outcome of the game. Other players don't like it? Well hey, I'm just trying to keep myself from dying. Have some cards as compensation. Fecundity is also great for this, depending on what kind of decks you are playing against. You don't have control over who gets to draw cards, but it is a nice little present to the guy who just had his stuff killed, and it makes for a funny reaction when a boardwipe comes down.
Anyways, I hope through this random amalgamation of thoughts I was able to help in any way, I usually don't write this much but I have so much to say about politics in commander. It requires a lot of finesse but it pays off to see your friends having fun while you still have a big impact on the game. I hope you have fun, and let me know if you want any card suggestions! I didn't want to make this too much bigger which is why I left a lot out. poorpinkus out