Curse of Opulence
Enchantment — Aura Curse
Whenever enchanted player is attacked, create a colorless artifact token named Gold. It has "Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool." Each opponent attacking that player does the same.
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Curse of Opulence Discussion
3 weeks ago
Out: Curse of Opulence
In: Mana Web
Curse is a great card for its cost, it just hasn't really had an impact with my deck. I almost never find myself needing more mana than I have, and the people that know my deck will forego attacking the cursed player to deny me the resources anyway. I've been looking for a slot to bring Mana Web back in anyway, so it was an easy swap.
Also removed Strip Mine and Great Furnace in favor of two basics. I like Strip Mine, and it is especially powerful with Crucible of Worlds, but I noticed that more often than not I would have rather had the flexibility of the basic land on the field to up my number of pairs for Ib, or an extra land for Glacial Crevasses to stall one more turn. Great Furnace was in there for fuel for Goblin Welder and when I ran Kuldotha Rebirth, and just wasn't needed anymore.
1 month ago
Glad you could extract something useful from my questionable ramblings, have some more:
For the purpose of ramp, would you consider Mana Echoes? Now hold on, I know this isn't a tribal deck, but from what I can see there's a decent amount of overlap when it comes to the subtypes of the large quantities of creatures your cards can generate, either for yourself or others (it works in either case):
- Human: 8 creature cards
- Scout: 4 creature cards
- Cleric: 3 creature cards
- Cat, Shaman: 2 creature cards
Spider, Samurai, Angel, Troll, God, Advisor, Monk, Golem, Giant, Rogue (10): 1 creature card
Elf, Warrior: 5 creature card + tokens: on tap + X on 2 cards
- Insect: 3 creature card + tokens: active mana ability + damage provocation + on opponent casting + EoB
- Dragon: 2 + tokens on all upkeeps
- Spirit: 2 creature card + tokens: 1 land tapping + 1 card
- Goblin: 1 creature card + tokens on opponent step
- Ogre: 1 creature card + X tokens on hostile declared attacks
Beast, Knight: 1 creature card + token on 1 card (doubt you ever use Selesnya Charm for this purpose though)
Soldier: tokens: on upkeep + X on 1 card
- Elemental: tokens: on all upkeeps + X on 1 card
- Saproling: X tokens on 2 spells (maybe there's room for a minor Saproling subtheme somewhere by virtue of Psychotrope Thallid & Utopia Mycon?)
- Treefolk: tokens on 1 card
- Fairy: enemy tokens on 1 card (only works with changeling)
(Also Rhys' cloning, which is potentially massive even if it only works for your own tokens.)
Obviously the exact amount of mana you'll get will probably vary a lot between both different turns and games, but I think on average it will be pretty high. (If you do decide to get Mana Echoes, also switch Beast Within for Crib Swap. Less arms dealing but much more ramp. If you want to amplify ETBs I guess you could also include a championing changeling creature.) The fact that you'll get some extra mana during other people's phases might be a little awkward though, but you could maybe use some combination of Symbiotic Deployment, Carnage Altar, Slate of Ancestry, Book of Rass, (Mind's Eye) and Inheritance as card advantage mana sinks (in that category there's also Seer's Sundial, Mangara's Tome and your old friend Mentor of the Meek, although I don't think they're very reliable on turns other than your own). (On a related note, I assume you've already looked into Pursuit of Knowledge, Abundance and Sylvan Library?)
Finally, mandatory killjoy condescension: This might be a silly question, but is Mystic Barrier still giving you a net positive of enjoyment? The reason I'm asking is that while I can see why the card is fun from a broad perspective, it seems to me that it conflicts with the two main aspects of the deck, which I think would make things less fun since it limits the escalating purpose of the deck. (Man, do I sounds square right now.) First of all, one person is forced to attack only you, which conflicts with the pillow fort cards' point of encouraging the opponent to go for someone else, which also kinda means any tokens they've been given go to waste for the purpose inter-enemy damage. Second, escalating curses like Curse of Opulence become less powerful when they can't pain a target on someone, which both detracts from the previously mentioned inter-enemy damage, the relative deterrence of your pillow fort (why attack someone with Ghostly Prison if you can get Gold from a cursed player?) and your own ability to broadly benefit from such general chaos both directly and indirectly. I'm well aware the deck is more about entertainment than winning all day every day, so it's not irrational to keep the card if it's doing you more good than harm, but I think it's worth considering. (Also, since you've got Academy Rector you could potentially replace the Barrier with a single overcosted but powerful & fun enchantment that works in line with the deck, like Sandwurm Convergence, Zendikar Resurgent, Lurking Predators or even Vicious Shadows.)
That's all, hope reading that didn't take too much of your time and you'll be able to squeeze something good out of it, keep up the good work
1 month ago
I'd do Sidar + Ludevic. Get Grenzo, Havoc Raiser in there. Cruel Entertainment. Any red - force attack enchantments... of which there are plenty. Avatar of Slaughter (because 2/2 suddenly double striking is great). Forbidden Orchard and things like it. The new curses could be KEY: Curse of Opulence, Curse of Verbosity, Curse of Disturbance, Curse of Misfortunes, Overwhelming Splendor
1 month ago
Some of the curses are great, and I run Curse of Opulence as a pseudo-Pillow Fort card. The issue is that you want to manipulate behavior through rewards, but not give rewards that you cannot handle or will not cause vengeance seeking. They are nice for a nudge, but when overplayed, they can backfire. The C17 curses are actually very nice, but I find the Innistrad curses to be less optimal. The shared reward is great, even when it is as powerful as Curse of Verbosity. Card draw is very powerful, but when you are splitting it with other players, people are less likely to overwhelm you with the value that they get, or to resent the value that you are getting. The player being cursed is likely to resent it, so it is actually best to piggy back a curse onto existing table sentiment. What I mean here is, when someone it in a commanding or threatening position, and the table is considering rallying to oppose them, it is good to add a curse to the consideration to sweeten the prospect. It is the other side of the coin from Pillow Fort and Rattle Snake cards. Instead of "Look elsewhere." type effects like Ghostly Prison or No Mercy, it is a "Consider them." effect, which can have a very similar effect on player behavior. The effect can't be too heavy handed, since players do not like being manipulated. It is also better to have the reward be immediate, and not conditional or delayed. We are not trying to get them to trust us or ally with us explicitly. Also, effects that target, but do not affect decisions of the group are often less effective in politics. In this sense, certain cards in your list become better for politics, and certain cards are worse. Curse of Vengeance is counter productive, since you are rewarded, no one else is, and the cursed player will rightly see you as benefiting from their misfortunes. Other players may hold off attacks on that player in an attempt to limit your reward, and the cursed player has good reason to start attacking you. That is the opposite of what this deck wants. Trespasser's Curse is less bad, but still doesn't motivate anyone else at the table to help you, and still creates the revenge motivation with what is essentially little reward. If I wanted that effect, I would go with Suture Priest, and hit the entire table equally. Curse of Vitality is probably too little reward, since 2 life is a small resource. Curse of Shallow Graves is likely a decent reward, but may allow other players to outpace you, since this deck is less likely in a position to press an attack, making Curse of Disturbance a much better card. You keep pace with the table with Curse of Disturbance. Curse of Bloodletting is a slightly more powerful version of Duelist's Heritage, with more limitations and less control, all at a higher price. I already play that effect in the form of the much better Duelist's Heritage, although playing in a meta with many swarm decks may make it a better option. This leaves my two favorite curses, Curse of Opulence and Curse of Verbosity, with only Curse of Opulence able to be played in this deck. I find that shared resource gain of a resource that is not immediately seen as threatening is a really great spot to be in. Curse of Opulence is a nice ramp spell early, and has put Queen Marchesa in play for me on the second turn on multiple occasions. I am building both a Grixis and a Bant Aikido deck, and Curse of Verbosity will likely show up in both. I have not played it yet, but if it turns out to play like Curse of Opulence, it may end up being a great Pillow Fort card for those decks, and will potentially turn out to be a more subtle Edric, Spymaster of Trest for more blue decks, while allowing you to at least keep parity with the rest of the table as they take advantage of the bounty you put on another player. I am looking forward to seeing it in action. I will check out the rest of your list, but that will be the position I will be evaluating the list from.
1 month ago
What do you think about my take on playing more curses in a political Marchesa deck?
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I really think the addition of the new ones in CMD17 and with some new ones in Amonkhet we have the opportunity to put targets on other peoples faces. The ones of Innistrad-block are great as well..Here are just some examples of cards I mean:
2 months ago
Geez thats nuts, im glad you are wrecking face with atraxa in your group. Sounds like she's an absolute powerhouse and is rightfully hated on haha.
As far as those cards, I'd be interested mostly in Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Master of Cruelties, Curse of Opulence, Kindred Charge and Fellwar Stone as I just made an order yesterday and picked up a few of those already. However I dont want to trade anything big for those since they aren't high priorities. If you could find a mix of cards of similar value I'd possibly be down for a trade.
2 months ago
I'm not sure how political your game group gets, but you are right, eventually your friends will know what's up and not let you ramp up quickly. Finding ways to divert attention helps a lot in decks that need time. Essentially, that breaks down into conceal, divert, or inconvenience. I don't know which I would grab, but I find a lot of these are very sneaky and discouraging to attack. The fungus creatures were something I never had in my original Rith deck... but came to love them after a few rounds. They sneak in a lot of benefits (sac outlets, life gain, buffs, card draw) while sneaking in bursts of saprolings every 3 turns that typically come at a surprise for many players (especially if you create these tokens on an opponent's turn). Of course, all of this gets avoided if you ramp fast enough. With green/white it can be pretty easy.