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Ohran Viper Discussion
5 months ago
It depends on how many crads you want to remove. I usually start with the highest costs, big flashy cards are useless if you can't play them. Anyway most of the time they will be stolen, cloned, reanimated or casted for free from your library, or just be killed by some removal or board wipe, it's way better when your oponents spend resources against other players' creatures.
Avenger of Zendikar actually not that good. If left unchecked it can finish the game, but usually by your next turn you'll have a bunch of 2/3 plants which are still not so menacing. In a deck more dedicated to give board wide buffs to your creatures can perform better. Tokens are not elementals either.
Hateflayer I really like this creature a lot, and I want to find a deck where I can abuse it (vehicles maybe?), but just by itself, it's not that good, being an elemental just doesn't justify its inclusion.
Magmatic Force Yes, this creature is insane. You don't need to do anything it just sits there throwing lightning bolts here and there. Every turn that stays alive is producing value. But the cost is super high, so not really sure about remmoving it.
Phytotitan This card actually works with the deck, but I ended cutting it from mmy deck because it really wasn't enough for the cost, it doesn't comes back until you upkeep and comes tapped, so it's not that marvelous. The good part is it comboes perfectly with Incandescent Soulstoke, but it's the only creature that goes well with it. Most of the time you don't want to throw your elementals for one attack and then sacrificing them, do you?
Incandescent Soulstoke for the reason I previously stated. Just the +1/+1 to elementals won make this guy earn its spot.
Smokebraider not a bad card, but you don't have too many elemental spells. Playing green you have available all the mana dorks you can dream of, Whisperer of the Wilds will easily give you two greens to spend on whatever you want. But you should really start by getting a Sol Ring, an absolutely broken card that should had never existed that you can get for an stupily low price. Then, the next mana rocks to include would be Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo and also Overgrowth. You are trying to reach a really high costs, so you need cards that give you more than one mana, spending one card on ramping one mana just isn't enough, you need to get to 7.
Soulbright Flamekin Don't let all those red mana symbols fool you. You give it six colorless mana and it gives you eight red mana, so in fact it's just producing a net two mana, but you have to spend six before, bad deal.
Wayfarer's Bauble, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Rampant Growth As I said before, spending one card to get one land ahead just isn't enough. When you are in a rush to get to the fourth mana because that's the cost of your commander and you need it to get the deck rolling then that kind of cards are great, but if you ramp like that you'll run out of cards in hand and you still won't be able to cast Omnath. You need cards that give you more than one mana.
Rite of the Raging Storm the problem with this card is when you cast it what you really need is survival. On top of that, you won't get your token until your next turn.
Second Harvest It's a "win more" card. If you have a couple or more of the Omnath tokens to duplicate I'd say you are on a confortable situation and if the opponents dont do something against it soon they are going to be in a world of pain soon anyway. I rather have a card like Heroic Intervention to keep my position on the board in case of board wipe than trying to push a bit ahead and then risk wasting the card, but that is a personal preference.
In my experiencie, the biggest problem of the deck is that in the early game you are really weak and you run out of cards if you try to rush to seven mana. So you need cheaper creatures, more card draw, board wipes and some way to pillow fort yourself.
Arbor Colossus This guy may be what you need: big, cheap, with reach, and it can even destroy some naughty dragon who dare come too close.
Ohran Viper This creature is really nice, gives you cards (hopefuly it can get you a couple of them) and if it stays back to block works as deterrent.
Chain Reaction this card can be as wild as Blasphemous Act. You won't get a better board wipe for that mana in these colors.
Thaumatic Compass Flip helps you get lands and later becomes protection from attacks, maybe it's worth trying it out here.
I would add one more sacrifice outlet just in case, like Altar of Dementia or Spawning Pit, you don't want your small elemental tokens exiling insted of going to graveyard.
Blade of Selves Is my secret weapon. When you equip Omnath with it and attack, the myriad copies are created at the same time and because of the legendary rule (copies of Omnath are also legendary) they are all put in the graveyard as soon as they are created and you'll get one trigger for each Omnath that was alive times each Omnath that died. After geting your calculator to work out the numbers you will see that it's a whole lotta damage.
6 months ago
Silklash Spider would make a good addition to this list. High toughness value, and hates on flying creatures, which is exactly what Sidar Kondo wants.
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim is another useful card to have. Ikra Shidiqi allows for some lifegain, and Ayli provides a sacrifice outlet (very useful) which translates into nearly unrestricted, repeatable removal (extremely useful).
Abzan Beastmaster is a very strong draw engine for this type of build.
Ohran Viper dissuades attackers when defending, and the card draw is nice if your opponents don't want to lose their more valuable creatures or chumps.
6 months ago
hookedonkronix: Thanks again for the good advice. I do already have an Ohran Viper and a Broodbirth Viper in the deck. I just acquired a Thunderfoot Baloth and am seriously considering it for here. And One with Nature sounds hilariously awesome...for me. I thought about Caller of the Pack, but decided to go with something that had more utility. I like it's beefiness, trample, and myriad, but I wanted more than just a body on the field.
6 months ago
Still working on my simic build. It took a different angle than your deck here but I found a few cards you might like to try in here. I'll link you to mine once I've put the finished touches on it.
8 months ago
I have a problem with inconsistent mill in that you don't have any control or way of knowing how you're impacting their gameplan. If you're milling a couple of cards here and there it feels like those slots would be better used on cards that will help you win, not just possibly hurt an opponent. Mill itself is fine, but I don't think you're dedicating enough to it to make it worthwhile.
The obvious thing to add would be more snakes since you're running so many cards that encourage attacking with them. Of the ones you're not playing you could add Honored Hydra, Lorescale Coatl, Ophidian, or Ohran Viper. The last two give you CA, and the first two are good big beaters with Hydra having the token as well. With the two I mentioned last post that a nice selection of potential additions.
11 months ago
As a more detailed comment from the one I made the other day-
Part I) Cards to remove and why:
A) Angler Drake- You have this in here mainly so you can abuse your "enter the battlefield" effects. There are plenty of cheaper options to do this.
B) Storm Sculptor- Basically the same reason as Angler Drake.
C) Sylvan Primordial-Depending on who you ask, this card may or may not be banned. Might as well play it safe and take it out.
Part II) Cards to consider removing and why:
A) Emperor's Vanguard- It's a decently powerful creature for its cost and can help you get land, but there are some more reliable ways to get card advantage. If you add more ways to get through opponents defenses (i.e. unblockable effects) then I guess this can stay.
B) Blossom Dryad- It's good because it can untap the lands that tap for two mana, but you might want to go for a more reliable, cheaper mana source (i.e. Birds of Paradise, Curse of Bounty, Deserted Temple, Krosan Restorer, Bloom Tender, Elvish Mystic, Gyre Sage, Llanowar Elves, Quirion Elves, Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary, Sylvan Caryatid
C) Carnage Tyrant- It's a powerful creature, and it's hard to get rid of, but other than that, it doesn't offer much. Considering you have other power creatures in your deck (i.e. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger), you might want to consider replacing the tyrant with something just as big that can offer more synergy with the rest of your deck. Consider: Sphinx Ambassador or Colossal Whale, among others.
D) Last Thoughts- Gives you a single card with the promise of more cards later, which is nice, but for 4 mana you could probably reliably get more card draw than this card offers.
E) Growing Rites of Itlimoc- In many decks this card is very powerful, but for your deck, in playtesting it turns out you rarely have 4 creatures out at a time, making this card not really worth having in your deck. You have plenty of other ways to get loads of mana, so you can probably remove this one without problem.
F) Jace's Erasure- It's nice to mil cards especially since you're drawing cards anyway, but mil is an unreliable way to debilitate your opponent unless your whole deck is built around the strategy. You might be able to remove a good card or two, but it's a gamble that often doesn't pay off in the long run.
G) Loxodon Warhammer- Good card, not much synergy with your deck. There are better cards that you can use to combo things.
Part III) Small creatures to consider:After playtesting a bunch, it seems your deck likely needs a few more small creatures so you have a better chance of defending yourself or making a dent in your opponent early on. Here are a few suggestions:
A) Invisible Stalker- Small dude, unblockable and hexproof. It's pretty neat and you can combo with those cards that let you draw if you deal damage to an opponent.
B) Ohran Viper- Smallish creature, gets you early card advantage. Deathtouch is a nice touch.
C) Slith Predator- Smaller than Ohran Viper but it gets bigger the more often you poke an opponent with it.
D) Slith Strider- The best of both Ohran Viper and Slith Predator. You might draw a card, you might make the little guy bigger, either way, you get a good early-game bonus.
E) Thada Adel, Acquisitor- Smallish creature, and chances are your opponent as a good artifact or two you can abuse. Early on you can exile cards you don't want your opponent to use, and later on you can just summon that shit for yourself.
F) Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist- Smallish creature, makes one of your other creatures unblockable every turn. Early game helps with the little dudes like the Slith bros or Thada Adel, late game helps with your big guys to deal big damage to your opponents.
G) Stealer of Secrets- Another small dude that gets you card advantage early on.
Part IV) Removal to consider:The other big thing I noticed when playtesting with your deck is you don't have much removal for when your opponent sneaks past your counter spells. Here are a few suggestions to remedy that.
A) Cyclonic Rift- If you would put any of my suggestions in your deck, you should definitely put this one in. Reacts effectively to early-game threats as well as late-game ones (Plus it hilariously screws with token decks since tokens die instead of going into a hand). When you overload it, it bypasses both hexproof and indestructible. Very few cards can resist it at that point.
B) Wash Out- Can be pretty helpful, especially if your opponent doesn't play blue or green. Works as cyclonic rift in regards to bypassing defenses.
C) Dissolve- Yeah it's another counter spell but this one lets you scry.
D) Voyage's End- Removes a threat and lets you scry.
E) Duplicant- You probably remember this one from my karador EDH. It's not as good here, but it's still good removal. Exiles an enemy while getting yourself a decent creature in the process.
F) Phyrexian Ingester- Blue Duplicant.
G) Brittle Effigy- Exiles a threat and puts your opponent on edge because WHO WILL YOU EXILE OH GOD!
H) Heartseeker- Somewhat reliable destroy effect for creatures, which is uncommon in blue.
I) Curse of the Swine- Exiles multiple creatures and replaces them with cute lil piggies (I love Theros lore, it's just straight-up greek mythology)
J) Reality Shift- Cheap exile effect with an insignificant drawback.
K) Pongify- Cheap destroy effect with a drawback that's only a big deal in the early game.
L) Rapid Hybridization- Same as Pongify.
M) Lux Cannon- Pretty decent late-game removal, but it takes time to set up.
N) Ugin, the Spirit Dragon- Pretty neat planeswalker addition with removal and card draw.
O) Steel Hellkite- Pretty neat creature that removes stuff, easy to hit opponent with your unblockable shenanigans.
P) Krosan Grip- Good cheap removal.
Q) Acidic Slime- Good mid-game creature. Removal and deathtouch.
R) Song of the Dryads- Can hilariously be used on commanders without sending them to the command zone.
S) Evacuation- The blue version of a board wipe.
Part V) Abusing "Enter the Battlefield" effects, aka "Flicker" effects.You probably want a few more of these.
A) Deadeye Navigator- Flicker whatever you want as many times as you want, provided you have the mana for it. You can change soulbonds every time you flicker.
B) Ghostly Flicker- Flicker two different things and you can do it in response to an opponent targeting something to prevent it from succeeding.
C) Archaeomancer- You want this almost as much as you want eternal witness.
D) Eternal Witness- Bring back any card into your hand. Wanna use any of your instants/sorceries again? Cuz ya can. Want a creature back? Revive that shit.
E) Equilibrium- Works on both your creatures and your opponent's.
F) Mulldrifter- For three mana, it's basically a sorcery that draws you a couple cards. For five mana, it's a creature that can be flickered.
G) Palinchron- Considering the lands you have that provide double mana, you may end up with an infinite mana combo here.
H) Nephalia Smuggler- Reliable flicker effect.
I) Augury Owl- Small flickerable creature, plus you can get an early-game scry which is nice.
J) Omenspeaker- Same as the owl.
G) Cryptic Annelid- More scrying.
H) Fool's Demise- Keep your big guys alive while abusing their "enter the battlefield" effect.
I) Mystic Snake- Since you love countering so much, why don't you flicker to get even more countering?
J) Prime Speaker Zegana- Hey this looks kinda like your commander, doesn't it?
K) Strionic Resonator- This works on any trigger effect, which includes every one of your "enter the battlefield" effects.
Part VI) Land ShenanigansYou can always use more land shenanigans. It's pretty easy to replace a basic land with one of these options.
A) Hinterland Harbor-Good dual land. Chances are you can get it out untapped, and it's not even a big deal if it comes in tapped.
B) Rogue's Passage- Why is this not already in here?
C) Breeding Pool- Another good dual land option. It also counts as a "forest" or "island" for effects that specify those words (i.e. Hinterland Harbor).
Part VII) Other cards to consider and why:A) Prophet of Kruphix- Really synergizes with your counter spells. Feel free to tap out all your land to play a creature, cuz at the beginning of your opponent's untap step (even before their upkeep), all your land is free to use again to counter stuff (and use other instant-speed effects).
B) Genesis- Bringing back your dead creatures is usually a good thing.
C) Sphinx Ambassador- Fun big card.
D) Colossal Whale- Another fun big card.
E) Hunter's Insight- Easy way to get a good amount of card advantage.
F) Veil of Secrecy- Creature gets hexproof and unblockable for a turn, which is neat.
G) Artful Dodge- More unblockable.
H) Boundless Realms- ALL THE RAMP
I) Protective Bubble- The blue whispersilk cloak.
J) Aqueous Form-Unblockable AND scry
K) Into the Wilds- More ramp is nice.
The problem with EDH is you ONLY get 100 cards, which always sounds like a lot more than it is. At one point it just becomes a question of what do yo personally like the most. Have fun narrowing this list down.
11 months ago
Cards to consider: Invisible Stalker, Ohran Viper, Slith Predator, Slith Strider, Sphinx Ambassador, Thada Adel, Acquisitor, Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist, Strionic Resonator, Cyclonic Rift, Hunter's Insight, Veil of Secrecy, Hinterland Harbor, Rogue's Passage, Artful Dodge, Boundless Realms, Protective Bubble, Aqueous Form, Colossal Whale, Dissolve, Into the Wilds, Stealer of Secrets, Voyage's End
1 year ago
So I took a look at your list again, and I had some more advice to give.
Looking at your mana cost ratio, playing eight of each basic seems ineffective. I'd say go to 9 forests, 7 plains and 5 islands. This makes 21 lands. This leaves you three spots for Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse, but should be enough to cast your spells reliably. Defy death seems really weird here. Maybe try more three-, four- or five drops. Ohran Viper is very powerful, and Ramunap Hydra, though it needs some setup regarding the lands, is cool. Nessian Asp is very useful against flyers.