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Invisible Stalker is unblockable.
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Invisible Stalker Discussion
2 days ago
As folks have already mentioned on r/Infect, Infect is in a really bad place in the meta at the moment. Fatal Push is everywhere, and things like Wild Defiance (which nerfed Lightning Bolt) aren't helpful. I'm also not sure it's going to get better, since I expect to see Solemnity in lots of sideboards starting in mid-July.
All that said, I absolutely love UG Infect, and still play it periodically.
I'm TOTALLY with albino_ninja too on the need for more Creatures. As is, you're going to have to mul' more than you want, and the Black decks are really going to punish you for that with their hand disruption. Creatures with Infect are best of course: Ichorclaw Myr, Necropede, Blight Mamba, and Plague Myr all have different pros and cons ... IMO you can't go wrong with any of them. And maybe 1x Viridian Corrupter too. Another option I've seen some folks use: Sylvan Scrying, which basically acts like extra Inkmoths.
One more thought on Creatures: Because of all our pump spells, I'm always amazed at how often the deck can win with normal damage. So it might be worth looking at something like Invisible Stalker or Thrummingbird too.
Finding room for those Creatures is of course tough. I'm not a huge fan of Groundswell for this deck (it's much better with Fetchlands), so that's a place you can maybe find room. And while I REALLY like having 3 counterspells in the 75, I usually only run one in the main. You may also find you can put some of your protection in the side ... I know we need a TON in the current meta, but you may not actually have enough mana to use it. :-)
Some potential sideboard thoughts:
- Artifact/Enchantment hate: Lots of folks like Nature's Claim but I prefer Seal of Primordium, since you can use it to kill a Chalice of the Void when X=1. This is also a good place for Viridian Corrupter.
- Graveyard Hate: Crook of Comdemnation (recently spoiled for HOU)
- Removal: Dismember or Beast Within (neither is super-cheap, but they're both great IMO)
- Those extra counterspells :-)
- A Wall or some Lifegain (i.e., a budget version of Kitchen Finks): Jaddi Offshoot
- Maybe some Recursion: Noxious Revival
Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks for reading this far!
1 week ago
JaiJackson, you are welcome my friend. Thought I'd touch back in and see how your deck's been. :)
Undergrowth Champion is a heavy hitter in any landfall deck running green, and should be considered running at least 3. He'll win you games. Additionally, I'm not sure exactly how competitive you're wanting to go with this deck (per your previous comment, as I'm not wanting you to lose friends), but I would think about replacing the Retreat to Kazandu in the main for Retreat to Coralhelm. As seshiro_of_the_orochi pointed out, it's an infinite combo. While it isn't the deck's main focus, it's a brilliant touch and it's unexpected. Infinite landfall triggers on many of your cards provide infinite lethal combat damage, infinite creature tokens, infinite mana (which will assist in activating your Moonfolk abilities an infinite number of times), and/or the ability to gain control of an infinite number of creatures. I run an infinite landfall deck of my own, check it out if you ever feel the curiosity! (Avalanche (Turn 3 Infinite Landfall/Infinite Mill))
I would agree that your deck doesn't really need Amulet of Vigor. I feel a similar way about Invisible Stalker and Ambush Viper. (Additionally Roil Elemental, but for a different reason I'll touch upon in a moment.)
- Invisible Stalker seems appealing as it's unblockable damage, but it's underwhelming in this deck if it's not equipped. It's a slow clock otherwise, and its slot may want to be considered for something more suited for the deck's purpose.
- I've never seen the appeal of Ambush Viper. Flash is nice, but it can't hit things that fly and its toughness ensures it can't even beat out 1/X's. I've always preferred Deadly Recluse for my deathtouch deterrent for these reasons, but I'm not saying it's a better card. Since you're running a deck that has blue, perhaps consider a counter spell instead? Cards that can cost just as much (if not less) to cast and be just as beneficial (if not more) include Spell Pierce/Stubborn Denial or Mana Leak/Condescend/Essence Scatter/Nullify.
- Roil Elemental seems like a fun card and can help swing matches, however I hate how high its CMC is for only having 2 toughness. Your 6 mana investment can be taken down by cards as cheap as 1 mana (such as Shock), and it feels like a waste. (Especially since its ability doesn't even last after it leaves the field.) I would take it out for something else more beneficial as well, even though it technically fits the deck's theme.
Hope this is helpful in any way! In addition to my plans for a Bant Avalanche build, I do still tend to a GU landfall deck of my own. (Not going to link that one as well because I already feel greedy posting the first one, but it's on my page if you're curious.) Perhaps our decks can assist each other's as they grow and develop.
1 week ago
If you want to try combat based milling, you should have Paranoid Delusions on some unblockable cards, like Invisible Stalker and Curiosity for more speed, meaning you can draw more milling/control options.
There's no problem with making it not combat based, I'm just showing another perspective.
Also, I forgot to mention in the other comment, Jace's Erasure is just a bad Sphinx's Tutelage, and it only shows value on specific decks, like Standard Sphinx MILL - BUDGET $$$ (it uses cards like Forgotten Creation to make your opponent throw cards away like crazy)
2 weeks ago
Concerted Effort is probably better than Odric, Lunarch Marshal. (not legendary, starts at Upkeep instead of Combat Step) If you decide to work on this deck more, I'd suggest 4x Concerted effort, 1-2x Odric.
Creatures to cut because they don't jive with Effort or Odric: Lost Leonin, Priests of Norn, Blighted Agent. Since Infect doesn't work with the Effort or Odric, I'd also swap out Tezzeret's Gambit for Divination.
If you want Hexproof, I think Slippery Bogle is going to be just as good as Invisible Stalker for 1 less CMC since neither the Effort nor the Odric can grant unblockable. And, with First Strike/double strike/flying, you don't really need it either. All that said, since none of these abilities are truly static, I think hexproof is probably just not really worth it at all.
Aerial Responder and Fencing Ace strike me as pretty good here. I'd probably go at least 3x for each. I also think Knight of the White Orchid would be really good (mana ramp+First Strike) and Courier Hawk would be good here. All together, I'd want at least 20 creatures for this build, maybe as many as 24.
I think Faith's Shield or Gods Willing will also be pretty good here. I like the Shield because it will work on Concerted Effort but can also be cast on a creature to give all your creatures protection. On the other hand, Gods Willing will also work on your all your creatures and give you a Scry. I'd drop some Ice Over or Spell Pierce for it.
You might seriously consider swapping Black for Blue. Typhoid Rats sharing deathtouch sounds pretty nasty to me. You'll also get access to black evasion: Fear, Skulk, Menace, etc.
I'd drop Aether Vial because it's stupidly expensive.
Add Glacial Fortress if you're sticking with white/blue.
3 weeks ago
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3 weeks ago
As a follow-up, since almost none of the cards in my collection are legal for Modern and I have little desire to spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars 'catching up'. I'm trying to ease into that interesting niche you seem to be carving for yourself, designing effective budget decks for modern and standard formats. My ego isn't such that I wouldn't be able to handle a $40 deck losing to a $400 deck, and I would enjoy the occasional wins under those circumstances more than a tournament title that I had to mortgage the house for.
I'm currently re-evaluating UG for its aggro/tempo potential, considering Coiling Oracle (of course), Invisible Stalker, Shorecrasher Mimic, Jhessian Infiltrator and then spells like Simic Charm and the re-usable Rancor... in the old days, dipping a third color was deemed very risky - now it seems pretty much S.O.P. - and I see a lot of good in white. Unfortunately, the most expensive cards out there right now seem to be lands, and of course Noble Hierarch.
3 weeks ago
Alright, been tweaking it a little to make it more annoying by keeping the pressure on... added Rancor and Invisible Stalker, dropped Slippery Bogle and some of the larger cost creatures that are likely to be removal fodder anyway. Still need to get a decent playtest in.