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CanadianShinobi again... it is my opinion, and you DON'T have to agree with me. Why is it so mind boggling to people who love to play a game involving numbers and words? Why is it so hard to get across this concept of freedom of opinion and freedom of expression? I know I'm going against the grain here, and I'm glad. I'm glad that I have a different opinion and that people disagree with me, because their opinions and expressions are just as valid as mine. That doesn't mean I'm going to just agree with everything they believe. I mean, it's kind of redundant to try to compare Brainstorm with Lightning Bolt first of all, considering we're talking about modern, and Brainstorm was never even printed in a modern set to begin with. If we were talking about Legacy, sure! But as I stated before, Lightning Bolt isn't a threat in formats that you can play Counterspell and Circle of Protection: Red as well as other much more powerful cards.
GlistenerAgent Well, you're right that it's VERY good... as far as being TOO good, that's again, very debatable. Because clearly it's TOO good for a functional reprint that is EXACTLY the same, which is why there are none. Clearly it's TOO good with Treasure Cruise and Jeskai Ascendancy (which is why they want to ban those cards in modern). So, that statement is really debatable. You're right that it doesn't break the Turn 4 rule, so that's never been the issue. But the issue of whether or not it's "too good" is very very debatable.
The manabase is pretty wonky. I'd build it something like this:
That's a little rough, but in general adding more fetchlands and reducing the number of shocklands lets you save life points where that is relevant. Blackcleave Cliffs is also incredibly important for castin T1 discard or Lightning Bolt, while Fetid Heath helps Firewalker, Brimaz and Liliana. I might try to fit a couple of Lavaclaw Reaches as well if at all possible.
Ok Fleetwood-Mat, here's a reason why Brainstorm is more powerful than Lightning Bolt in a way you'll understand. Brainstorm can draw 3 Lightning Bolts and put back 2 unwanted cards, so Brainstorm is at least 3 times as good as Lightning Bolt. Also, there isn't an argument as to which is better, because there IS no argument. Brainstorm is the vastly more powerful card. Furthermore, your fetchland exception is silly. Either you should be all for banning cards from before Mirrodin, or not at all.
Again, the set in which a card was printed has no relation whatsoever to its power level. Black Lotus was printed in Alpha, while Ugin's Nexus was printed in Khans of Tarkir. On the other hand, Gray Ogre was printed in Alpha while Siege Rhino was printed in Khans of Tarkir. No correlation whatsoever.
You may be right that there is no one-mana spell in the format on par with Lightning Bolt (which in itself can be debated). However, this does not mean it's too good, it's just very good. If we followed the logic of banning the best card at its CMC, soon everything would be gone. Where do we draw the line? Certainly not at 1-for-1 removal that sometimes goes to the face. It's not powerful enough.
JWiley129 No, you should read what I wrote. I said "ARGUABLY" (note the quotations and caps this time so you don't miss the point again). And yes, it is ARGUABLE because every red deck in Modern runs 4 Lightning Bolt, and in certain cases, some decks run red ONLY for Lightning Bolt. The point was comparing the level of imbalance between those two cards (according to their respective formats). Legacy players aren't worried about people running Brainstorm because it's a format full of first turn kills and Force of Will and whatnot. There are things much more concerning in legacy than Brainstorm and Ponder.
We're talking about Modern here, and the only two cards mentioned so far that come close to the power level of Lightning Bolt for the cost are Path to Exile and Thoughtseize, and yet both of those cards are like infinitely more situational, and don't even come close to the power level of bolt, and to further boot, have drawbacks that bolt doesn't have... and that's completely understandable because neither of those cards were printed in ALPHA.
As for banning Giant Growth, I'm ALL for it. I think every card originally from a vintage set should be dead and gone by now. The only cards I've EVER condoned reprints of from vintage/legacy are the Onslaught fetches, and that's because I think fetches are an integral part of the modern format, as well as the shocks. If they want to reprint vintage or legacy cards for play only in vintage or legacy, that's fine by me. Vintage Masters is a great set in MTGO, they should consider doing something along those lines on paper cards.
Fleetwood-Mat - Did you just say Brainstorm is worse than Lightning Bolt? Are you still talking about the same Brainstorm that is restricted in Vintage and a 4 of in EVERY BLUE LEGACY DECK? Brainstorm, a card they tried to "fix" by making Ponder, which is just as strong as Brainstorm? They made a "fixed" Lightning Bolt in Shock, but no one is going to say that Shock is better than Lightning Bolt. Also, Lightning Bolt was printed in M10, so it is Modern legal. And furthermore, are you saying that Giant Growth should be banned as well? It's from Alpha, might as well ban it.
Thoughtseize is useless if it's late game and you're coming down to top deck, and is ENTIRELY situational. Bolt is WAY more versatile and WAY more broken. Brainstorm is amazing, yes, but arguably not more so than bolt, and is banned in most formats and restricted in the rest.... and I'll tell you why it's ARGUABLY not better than bolt:
-You can miss (which is entirely possible and even probable)-You are still forced to keep cards you may not want on top of your library-It is strictly a control card (while bolt can be control OR aggro)-If it was modern legal, it would really only be used to get Lightning Bolt, a counter or a win con like Scapeshift, the option is nice, but most players would rather skip paying the 1 blue and just draw right into a bolt-It's still only 1 mana for 1 card draw, which is the same value you get for Reach Through Mists, but because you can choose from the top 3 cards in your deck, you're more likely to get what you need (which is why it's banned)-It doesn't stop your opponents from playing cards like Dark Confidant, Phyrexian Arena, or Bitterblossom unless you use it to get a bolt
Radical change is what's needed. I'm not saying they need to ban Liliana of the Veil or Scapeshift (cards that actually come from modern sets), I'm saying they need to ban Lightning Bolt, which is a card from ALPHA (the very first MTG set ever printed), and if you're not going to do that, then at least reprint Counterspell and Circle of Protections to be playable in modern, because those cards were bolt's balance back then, and why shouldn't they be now?
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