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Exile two target artifacts, creatures and/or lands you control, then return those cards to the battlefield under your control.
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Ghostly Flicker Discussion
2 days ago
Dissolve, Counterspell, Dismiss, Bant Charm is a personal favorite, especially when it protects your finishers and stops the Torpor Orb menace and its creature counterparts, Cancel, Broken Concentration, Draining Whelk pairs nicely with restoration angel and Eldrazi displacer, Dream Fracture, Faerie Trickery is good in a faerie-less meta, Familiar's Ruse can put a blink target back into your hand so its not a downside per-say, Hinder, Render Silent, Rewind, Scatter to the Winds, Spell Swindle , Void Shatter are cheaper alternatives. If you're looking for cool or niche cards, or cards that you don't know/remember use Scryfall, its basically Gatherer but better that's where I found a lot of these.
My first couple of cuts would be Gilded Lotus (you're in green, you can ramp for the mana you need if you put in more basics with cards like Explosive Vegetation and Blighted Woodland) so cutting a bunch of the non fetch able lands would be where I would cut, so the scry lands and cards like Port Town (but not the pain lands, those work with your Eldrazi displacer since you don't have Wastes, which I recommend for you 2 regardless, you can fetch for them while the pain lands can provide you with fixing and colorless mana) and if you do add those basics ignore my other suggestion about taking out either farhaven or solemn. Minion Reflector, Fabricate, and Enlightened Tutor to help put the combo together, Birthing Pod and Felidar Guardian are absolutely nuts regardless of your win con, you can go from a 2 drop into a 6 drop in a turn! If you're keeping Brago then you really don't need Momentary Blink, Ghostly Flicker, or Eerie Interlude, you could put either more creatures (or counterspells, which is my suggestion) If you want to keep vorinclex you will need that birthing pod and felidar, I would also say you would need either Mirari's Wake or some way to discard it reliably and cheat it back into play with karmic guide and figure out some way to protect it, namely with counterspells, but if you want to control the table there are better ways, like with Thought-Knot Seer to remove answers as you build your board state and gain an ally with its LTB trigger. Avenger of zendikar is a fantastic late game threat but obviously you need to get more lands in play, so that's the other reason I say add more basics, its pretty inopportune to use another threat to power another threat in this specific capacity, its alright with sun titan since he can also attack to get you a fetch from your grave instead of needing to enter play.
Roon is a toolbox deck, so you need to focus on either progressing your board state rapidly as you accrue more value than all of your other opponents and/or stopping your opponents from having their board states, so for combo your finishers would be locking out the table with dead-eye, and/or creating an infinite army with reveilark, karmic guide and minion reflector, you already have mystic snake, and you already know how to go make infinite mana with karmic guide and reveilark. Later down the road I would recommend using that dead-eye with Thought-Knot Seer to take away your opponents answers.
Hopefully this gives you more than what you needed, but I would need to know how you would like to finish your games in order for me to help make other cuts, do you want to stomp your opponents into submission? Or would you like to combo out while their pants are down? Or would you like a bit of both, because each of these are possible, I just need to know what direction you would like to take this control build.
2 days ago
4 days ago
With the amount of basics you have I would say to either take out Farhaven Elf or Solemn Simulacrum (I say either because of the differing mana costs) I like the pick with the Ulvenwald Hydra with all the non basics. I like the doomsday thing you're trying to pull off with Laboratory Maniac, I would chuck it in my deck as well, but getting the combo reliably isn't consistent and if you draw a lab maniac during a regular game I guarantee you that he will sit in your hand forever and its the first thing you discard since it doesn't actively do something, I get that every piece serves a purpose but lab maniac doesn't serve much of a purpose except take up a valuable card slot to get to a game plan that won't happen often (good try though). My recommendation to you is that you get a Minion Reflector instead since it doubles ETB triggers with a hasty body for mana and it combos just as well as the infinite draw combo you wanted to fire off.
Add Jace's Mindseeker it synergizes well with your diluvian primordial. Instead of Goldnight Redeemer use Cloudblazer, its the card draw that sells this one and at that rate add Mulldrifter over blue sun's.
By themselves Myr Battlesphere, Avenger of Zendikar, can sure make tokens and operate as efficient threats by themselves but they need a bit more to be more relevant, Hornet Queen is in a worse position but in the same boat.Cathars' Crusade, Call for Unity and Meadowboon can shore up the fact that your value creatures and tokens are typically small while staying with your main game plan (while staying cheaper than Craterhoof Behemoth), even if that's fetching for a basic. Swap the angel of invention for the crusade. Instead of icefall reagent use Frost Titan if you want more value locking things down. You have in your deck, you want Leyline of Anticipation since if its in your opening hand its free over the orrery if you didn't have then run the orrery.
I'm under the assumption that you want to be a control variant, which is fine but you need to have more control aspects like counterspells, add Counterspell Disallow, Voidslime and Glen Elendra Archmage she also combos well the cathar's crusade. I want you to look at Ghostly Flicker and tell me how good it is after a board wipe, cards like that are not good cards, you have the right idea with adding other blinkers like restoration angel, and Eldrazi displacer, they are so much better in comparison since they are creatures and can do something versus sitting in your hand and doing nothing after a wipe. Vorinclex seems cool, but I find that stalling out my opponents does better when its my main game plan (he also doesn't have an ETB effect either), I don't see much use out of him otherwise.
A bunch of your cards are good cards but the deck needs more focus. Edric rewards aggressive decks, this deck has aspects but can't always cash in on that. This deck wants to control the board but has a big volume of unnecessary blink (cough* ghostly flicker cards exclusively) and creatures that don't control the board, unlike stonehorn dignitary and mystic snake. You can get a lot more reliable and repeatable card draw out of creatures versus instants and sorceries because you run a blink deck, so abuse that. I don't understand what you seek to copy with cards like progenitor mimic, if you want cool creatures go with a control classic like Gilded Drake.
Choose a style and go with it, if you take a look at my Roon deck you will see a lot of cards that don't seem to synergize, but they have a common and fun theme that's extremely powerful and oppressive since they have an underlying theme. I control the board then I go aggro for the win. Treat your Roon deck like an exclusively ETB/LTB midrange deck at first. There are a lot of cuts I would make if I were in your shoes, but i'm not so its really in your ball court to start capitalizing on Roon's potential. There are also a lot more things to say, but I'll let this comment sink in for now. Just ask if you need more help/suggestions, or check out my list for reference.
1 week ago
Would this grant permanent control of the creature you had enchanted(despite the enchantment being destroyed)?
2 weeks ago
If you are looking to do this on a budget, I'd look at more copy creatures and token effects, and replace some of the less good allies in the deck. Cards like Rite of Replication, Clone, or even Dack's Duplicate can give you the Ally synergy without running mediocre cards.
Also, a few more flicker effects can go a long way. Crystal Shard, Ghostly Flicker and maybe even running a Venser, the Sojourner could help.
You could also run Arcane Adaptation. This will let even non ally creatures trigger your ally boons!
What your looking for is more consistency in a deck like this. It's easy to get lost in a five color deck like this, so think about your most powerful interactions and how to have them happen more frequently. Slowly trim the fat and you'll have a beast of a deck in no time. I would focus on a three color pie with 2 color splash.As you start to invest more in cards, look at things like Door of Destinies or Coat of Arms which can be huge boost in tribal decks like this.
2 weeks ago
You need some protection spells to protect your creatures, and counterspells to fizzle spot removals or wrath.
A little bit of token generators would be good too, like Heliod itself.
3 weeks ago
Once again I'm awed by you sage advice. I haven't even had a chance to try out my latest changes and you've already given me great advice.
I'll give your comments their due when I have time for a full reply!
I'm making a couple of immediate changes:
Currently I'm mostly goldfishing until I get a chance to playtest at my local game shop, and I'll make more changes before I play!
3 weeks ago
I see you either bought the prebuilt or you went and got the commander's anthology, either way I like your pick of Roon. Now a bunch of these cards are either niche playable, or sadly don't have much relevance since they do nothing in the absolute worst case, but I'll get onto that topic a little later.
Now first begs the question: "Where am I going with Roon and what are my win conditions" You can't just drown your opponents is straight value and hope they give up because you drew so many cards. So you can go 3 ways:
Bant aggro/good stuff: This deck abuses the fact that Roon is a 4/4 beater with trample and vigilance that can save a creature or remove a blocker, the deck is more focused on the value it gains for using cards like Cathars' Crusade, Meadowboon, and Call for Unity to allow the smaller value creatures that can incidentally help get to the bigger threats do something (swing face): Solemn Simulacrum, Farhaven Elf, Mulldrifter and smaller bodied tokens to get bigger in case the value threats are gone or to close out games faster. It's finishers are go-wide aggro threats that play off cards like the crusade like Avenger of Zendikar, Walker of the Grove, Trostani's Summoner, Hornet Queen, Armada Wurm, and Craterhoof Behemoth to play off of all those tokens. Birthing Pod is a must for this style of deck as it allows you to get those value threats faster with no real setback. typically has some interaction like Counterspell or obligatory Cyclonic Rift, other than that its a value aggro deck.
Bant value control: This style really abuses the fact that Roon can blink stuff. Its focus is to lock its opponents out any way it can. Some styles of this variant vary, like hard lock, and soft lock. It has some of the same building blocks as aggro like using Mulldrifter and Solemn Simulacrum, but it focuses more on abusing Roon's ability with cards like Training Grounds and denying its opponents with value with Stonehorn Dignitary, Mystic Snake, Reflector Mage, Nevermaker, and Gilded Drake. Obviously it focuses less on attacking so its value threats use their abilities more to influence opponent's. It plays counterspells and good spot removal to assure victory, it can even hedge into becoming a stax build, (hard lock).
Hybrid: It has the best of both worlds with, it doesn't focus too much on either but has the ability to win on either front. this style sacrifices a consistent win condition to go and secure a spot to play value creatures and typically beats face for victory in multiplayer by stalling out scarier opponents and making allies with Roon's blink ability. In 1v1 it has the capability to dominate equally fast decks with its splashed control aspect. It uses the crusade as well, along with those huge value threats like the avenger of zendikar and birthing pod (for value), along with controlling value creatures like the stonehorn dignitary and gilded drake (secret tech, run Thought-Knot Seer). Some play more into one aspect over the other, and that's fine.
At the end of it all Roon is exceedingly versatile and can meet most standards you set it to, however Roon decks can be hosed by an artifact and its creature variants. Torpor Orb, if you don't have something to play around this like Naturalize, Krosan Grip, or Return to Dust there is really nothing your deck can do to stop it. The same goes for the creature variants, Hushwing Gryff/Tocatli Honor Guard, however since they are creatures they are inherently easier to remove, like with Swords to Plowshares, and Path to Exile. Some control variants play one or more of the value threats or Meadowboon to play around Orb when they don't have artifact/creature removal.
I tend to stay away from cards like Ghostway and Ghostly Flicker since they do nothing when you have no creatures on the battlefield, unlike their creature counterparts they can't block when you need a blocker. You have found a couple of blink creatures that fit the bill, and one that I didn't know existed! There is one to keep in mind though: Eldrazi Displacer its a fantastic card I recommend. Like mistmeadow witch and Roon it has repeatable blink, but it returns immediately, although tapped it can be used to invalidate blockers or to gain value. However you will need a bit more reliable colorless sources, which is why there are basics called Wastes, if you do run this I recommend running 3-4 wastes (4-6 if you have the seer).
Feel free to ask questions or peek at my list.
I hope this helps your brewing process, as well as others who seek to make a Roon deck!