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Wash Out Discussion
2 months ago
Thanks for your reply, Azusa, Lost but Seeking need a real synergies with land, she can't make a deal herself, 36 land is not enough. Selvala, Heart of the Wilds need too play Huge creature, In Ezuri a play small creature who become big with marker, same with azusa, she need a play a lot of creature too become powerful. Wash Out is not a good card, is sorcery and if you play against Green or Blue, you can return your own creature, you can't choose. Equilibrium is slow but can be powerful you need too test it if you like. I play with a very agressive still so i have creature to control or card like Rapid Hybridization but if my opponent clear the board and i don't counter, is generaly a loose. A play a lot of tuto for this, too search the creature a need to counter my opponent for that, i will have generaly a chance to defeat all deck againts because of that.
3 months ago
Nice recomendations Lebleu1806 thanks! yeah actually Iam already using the Trinketmage, Hope of Ghirapur is interesting option, is not a counter but can work, I will update the list after some playtest Iam thinking in add Azusa, Lost but Seeking and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds and add one more land I'm still reluctant to use elves, but I've noticed that I have to accelerate the mana a Lot! What do you think about Wash Out and Equilibrium? the deck need's more removal and control,Curse of the Swine is good but is a double edge sword another card that Iam thinking isCrawlspace maybe Iam going to far but my meta is so agressive, another card not so good but surprisingly effective wasSilklash Spider
3 months ago
Commonly control loses card advantage in 1 to 1 trades, because there are two opponents who didn't lose cards, but you did, if for each trade you make, you draw a card, the trade is a 1 for nothing. It is straight gravy. Honestly it is a 2 for nothing, since you got a drake. 2 for nothing is absurdly powerful.
The issue is blue doesn't have the best tutors, and that will mean you won't get this level of gravy often, but we can try to optimize the list to survive until you can, or until we find another card drawing engine.
There may be a problem here that you have noticed, you still spend the mana of each card you cast. We have to make sure your answers are very cheap for you to win. I want 0 mana spells, 1 mana spells, and 2 mana spells as your answers. If they are any higher, they have to either:
A: be castable for a alternate cost to make it cheaper (Force of Will, delve spells, etc.)
If all of that is done, we need to talk card draw, outside of engines, engines are great, but we can't just run engines, they are slow, clunky, and few-and far between. You run plenty of the next point, cantrips. Let us take the best option, Brainstorm. It is absurdly powerful, one mana to dig 3 cards, at instant speed, using up mana that otherwise would have been wasted, if you held up mana on the opponents turn. It helps find the answer or counterspell you need, all in response to the Food Chain you can't let resolve.
You run a number of cantrips, even some bad ones I would switch, like Telling Time, it may look like an Anticipate, but being forced to top a card sucks. I would run Anticipate over it any day, but you already run that, so toss in a Preordain, I promise, it is worth it tenfold. Quicken would be another drop, toss in Kindred Discovery over it or something.
Cantrips are nice, but good card draw, like Fact or Fiction, you know, a way to get more cards in your hand than you had, they do cost mana. 4 mana is topping it off, and it has to be instant speed for me to consider it at 4 mana, but FoF fits the bill. Windfall should be run, as the control player, before an engine hits, you need to spend more cards than your opponents do to keep threats of the field. Windfall gets you the new hand, and tosses out whatever cards your opponent tutored out.
The trick with sweepers it to hit as much as possible, and be 4-2 mana, or do other great things. Cyclonic Rift is an example of a great removal spell, that occasionally can double as a sweeper, but shouldn't be held back for that effect. Whelming Wave is pretty good at sweeping opponents, I would drop Inundate for it.
Most of your creatures I could drop for more tutors and answers and card draw Solemn Simulacrum isn't worth it, as it doesn't have flash, it wastes a turn and doesn't win you the game, you could lose it if an opponent combos out because you couldn't answer it. Toss in a Mana Leak or something in it's place.
Others I would suggest dropping for basically the same reason are as follows: Archaeomancer, Burnished Hart, Chasm Skulker, Docent of Perfection Flip, Duplicant, Fatespinner, Kira, Great Glass-Spinner, Phyrexian Metamorph, Portal Mage, Sower of Temptation, Thing in the Ice Flip, Trinket Mage, Vedalken Shackles, Mindslaver and Runechanter's Pike.
All of these drops will allow for more space for answers, card draw, and a little bit more ramp, such as Fellwar Stone, Sky Diamond, Coldsteel Heart, etc. More answers like Pongify, Mindbreak Trap, Snap, and other answers can allow for exponentially more ways to stop your opponents.
Not all answers are great though, Boomerang is a card I would drop for a better hate-piece like Pithing Needle, Grafdigger's Cage, or any other decent hate-piece, like Silent Arbiter for a meta in which beat-down is regular, or you see a lot of Tymna the Weaver lists. Damping Sphere against storm, or whatever else you need.
In conclusion, I'll probably write up a rough list for this style of game, and good luck!
3 months ago
I am only seeing 8 or 9 cards that would benefit from Panharmonicon. I don't think that's worth the slot in the deck or the 4 mana investment. I would rather see the deck have some more answers for opponents' cards. Mizzium Mortars, Cyclonic Rift and Wash Out are great for clearing away blockers for your attacks.
5 months ago
5 months ago
I apologize for the long post below: It is not modified for standard play. Please disregard if you are playing standard only.
The best deck to counter aura hexproof (what your friend has) is generally black/green sacrifice decks. See: Grave Pact, Butcher of Malakir, , Chainer's Edict <- (Pricy), Spore Frog, or Fleshbag Marauder. Or -1/-1 effects aka Archfiend of Ifnir, combined with enablers like Lotleth Troll or Putrid Imp.
That, or a deck that has a lot of sweeper spells - Cyclonic Rift (pricy), Terminus, Living Death. Think of sweeper spells as cards that immediately level the playing field. If you're losing, just play a sweep. Instant board reset and everybody is on even playing grounds. Cheaper Alternatives: Hallowed Burial, Devastation Tide, Coastal Breach, Evacuation; just make sure it only targets creatures (not like Wash Out) because you don't want the auras returning to hand. You want to get rid of the creatures and have the auras fall off.
I don't quite agree with Atrox's approach because I know most hexproof decks run Umbra auras (Hyena Umbra), and will easily have more than 3 toughness.
Personally, TO COMPLETELY REDESIGN YOUR DECK, I would use no creatures and only spells or maybe with creatures with nice ETB (enter the battlefield) effects (Archaeomancer. This way, the sweepers don't affect you very much and will only remove your opponents' creatures. Red will be reserved for dealing damage, and blue will be reserved solely for sweeper spells & drawing cards.
Current problems with your deck:
1) It's slow. You're going to have to have multiple pingers which all take about 3 turns+ summoning sickness to start becoming active. Izzet decks are supposed to be fast & maintain control from the beginning of the game.
2) The synergy is a little too far apart - you want to have creatures pinging damage, you want to counter spells, you want creatures to get buff; there's only so much you can do with 7 cards in your hand.
3) No card draw - you'll run out of steam very very fast. Blue excels in card draw - you should make use of it!
Try to find out what your style is, then start asking for tips to point you in the right direction.
Let me know if you have questions :) (I play an aura deck)
5 months ago
Hello! So I see you mentioned in your description that this is your first commander deck. It has a pretty solid base, so I will just give you some rules that I tend to follow when I build. At a baseline, I tend to run 10 sources of draw, 8-10 sources of ramp, and 5-10 pieces of spot removal.
Tatyova, as I understand it, is going to be the leader of a merfolk tribal deck. Merfolk tend to have a low converted mana cost, so Tatyova allows you to draw into more cards to continuously cast more and more merfolk. That being said, if you are running Tatyova, I would up your land count somewhat, up to at least 38 or 40. I would recommend a plethora of nonbasics like Botanical Sanctum Hinterland Harbor Breeding Pool Simic Growth Chamber Simic Guildgate Skyshroud Forest Temple of Mystery Thornwood Falls Tropical Island Woodland Stream Yavimaya Coast including as your budget allows. I included tropical island, an insanely expensive card, for the sake of brevity.
In terms of removal, I tend to include some counter spells in this category. You should pick up Counterspell Arcane Denial and Swan Song. Negate is very good also. For spot removal, you should consider things like Rapid Hybridization Krosan Grip Beast Within Nature's Claim and Curse of the Swine. I tend to try to get a board wipe or two as well, so look into Wash Out and Cyclonic Rift and River's Rebuke.
For draw, and additional land drops, I would run Rites of Flourishing Wayward Swordtooth Horn of Greed and possibly Helm of the Host for the commander. You want ways to hit more than your only land drop. Consider Dictate of Kruphix Brainstorm Preordain Ponder and Well of Ideas. For some tribal support and creature support, you have Vanquisher's Banner and Herald's Horn as you mentioned. I would look into Zendikar Resurgent as well.
For ramp, you pretty much want the classic green stuff, some of which you have, like Cultivate Kodama's Reach Rampant Growth Sakura-Tribe Elder Explosive Vegetation among others. These spells double as draw spells when Tatyova is out! So they are very great. I would steer away from Simic Signet and Darksteel Ingot forms of ramp because this deck should focus on lands, but they are by no means bad inclusions.
Things like Unsummon and Rescue are good for saving creatures you want to keep, but countering the spells which remove them, or giving them hexproof is an effective way to avoid removal. Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca is also enormously powerful in a deck like this. I don't see a Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots and those are staples. Consider investing in a Thought Vessel
In terms of general advice, I would up the creature count if possible.
I know I have given you an overwhelming amount of card suggestions, and don't break the bank getting the expensive ones. A lot of these cards are staples in commander if you don't have them and they will go an extremely long way to making your game play feel more consistent and effective. Let me know if you have any questions. Beating people to death with merfolk is a lot of fun. Speaking of islandwalk, consider Thada Adel, Acquisitor and something like Quicksilver Fountain to create islands.