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Thanks for all the insight and the advice. I really appreciate it. And I get that tone's really hard to convey over written word (er, typed word), so no worries there. :D
It's never been that Counterspell is too "competitive" for my "casual" build. It's a feel thing, y'know? Tempo control, bounce and all that, feels less of a d*ck move than saying "No. I have two mana up, so you can't have the thing." I recognize the utility of having a larger counterspell suite, but I think 5 (well, 4.5; Trickbind doesn't counter spells) is the right balance between "This is a permission deck. You best be asking me before things resolve." and "Counterspells are awful things that should never be used."
I'd never play a blue deck that utterly eschews them, but there's a balance. The four and a half that I've got have served me well, and I've never come to a situation where I've said "I should run two or three more counterspells in case this situation comes up again." They're also the right counterspells for me and my playstyle. I prefer a soft counter like Split Decision or Hinder , or an expensive one like Desertion , to a cheap, hard counter like Swan Song , Counterspell , or Dissipate , even if those are better cards.
Capsize was a scenario where, with this deck largely in the place it is now, a friend of mine said "if I see that card show up in a game, I know I've lost." And it wasn't that he needed to step his game up - this was against decks on a very similar power level (among them Kemba, Kha Regent and Grimgrin, Corpse-Born , which both have given this deck a curb-stomping). Out of respect for my playgroup, I don't run the card anymore.
Cast Through Time is more of a "I want to keep the CMC of this deck as low as possible" thing. I've personally decided that 6 CMC is a hard cap for any card I want to include in this deck. It's an excellent card, to be sure, but it also takes 7 mana and doesn't give me an immediate return on investment, even if I cast spells immediately afterward. If I were to add a 7-mana enchantment to do such a thing, I'd much rather have Eye of the Storm , because of the immediacy of the effect.
Bident of Thassa is a personal thing. I played it, and it comes in a slot where I should've just played Talrand, and now I wanna start amassing Drakes, but first I gotta wait and play this enchantment that still takes a whole round before I get value out of it. I usually would rather have played two or three cantrips and gotten 4 to 6 power on the field than a potential 2 cards next round.
How to put my thoughts on Mystical Tutor . Hm. If this were a combo deck, and the point of my combo was to get a particular instant or sorcery and copy it to all heck, I'd be okay with Mystical Tutor . In this deck, it was usually a panic button. I'd see another player start going for a way to win, and I'd want to be able to stop that, and the Tutor was a second copy of a way to stop that. It was rarely, if ever, a way to play an instant into a cantrip into three more. While the utility was something I enjoyed, it was nonetheless creating static gameplay in the way I ran the deck, which I don't appreciate in EDH. So I cut it.
Quicken 's definitely something I've considered, but a lot of the time it's a dead draw; there are maybe four sorceries in this deck I'd like to play at instant speed (Inundate , Wash Out , Curse of the Swine , and Recurring Insight ). Another person seeing the utility is making me reconsider, though; you think it'd be worth removing Reweave for a Quicken ?
Thanks again for all the help! (Goodness gracious, that was longer than I thought it would be.)
The question is, what kind of deck are you after? From everything I can gather you're after a the best casual deck you can build on a budget. The problem is there is not such thing as a solid line from casual to competitive. For me, a casual deck will still run Counterspell and Mindbreak Trap , and same with Capsize . In fact things like Capsize I wouldn't really consider running in most competitive decks due to the 6 CMC.
I get that you don't want counterspells. But I question the basis behind some of your rules. For example Cast Through Time is a permanent that should go in your deck, as for the space of 1 spell you have Doubled all the rest. That just seems like value to me. You also cut Bident of Thassa . This card is broken with your general, the card advantage is insane. In your 'Overhaul!' comment you mentioned that you want more library manipulation, which is basically what Bident does (in the form of drawing cards from your library). You also cut Mystical Tutor even though you no longer run Capsize . And at the end of the day, if you find you're fetching Cyclonic Rift then force yourself to just go for something else.
I don't want to sound aggresive, I really love talking with players about their decks and offering advice, just like I love getting advice on my decks. So please don't take my comments the wrong way, I'm just trying to figure out what you're wanting to do with the deck and trying to tailor my comments accordingly :)
Um. It's a nice spell, but it's far from being the best sweeper available to Izzet in EDH. Plus, it doesn't actually take anything off of the board.
Let's start with the colorless sweepers that are available to everyone. Nevinyrral's Disk , Perilous Vault , and All Is Dust . Not a fan of that last one because it falls flat against artifact decks (and you have Vandalblast , Shattering Spree , and Shatterstorm for those). You've also got Engineered Explosives and Ratchet Bomb more more fine-tuned mass removal.
Blue isn't big into mass sweepers, but it has a few options. Illusionist's Gambit isn't even a sweeper. It's more of a weird damage redirect that has a global effect. But in terms of getting things off the board in blue, you've got Cyclonic Rift and Wash Out . Budget-wise, there's also AEtherize that could do in a pinch. Echoing Truth is great against token armies. But that's about all I can think of at the moment. I'm sure blue has more than that.
Don't even get me started for red, dude. Red has tons of ways to enact mass removal. There's the obvious over-the-top spells like Obliterate or Decree of Annihilation that just blow up almost everything. Don't bother with the Izzet guild classic Mizzium Mortars because 4 damage just isn't enough in EDH. Blasphemous Act is good. My personal preference is for spells with split second, so Molten Disaster is good. If you have a big mana pool (and you probably will b/c it's EDH), Bonfire of the Damned , Starstorm , Comet Storm , and Sudden Demise are solid. There's also Flame Wave which is good if you have damage doublers like Fire Servant , Furnace of Rath , or Dictate of the Twin Gods in play. There are also red creatures like Balefire Dragon and Scourge of Kher Ridges that act as good sweeper creatures.
As a red commander, Jaya Ballard, Task Mage can sweep the board over and over again. I built a deck around her. Handing her something like Sword of Kaldra means mass exile for all when she uses her third ability. It's fun.
But you're playing Izzet. I've given you a few of what I deem to be most playable in EDH as far as sweepers in your colors are concerned. Good luck and happy deck building!
I have these IDW Promos:
Wash Out $5 // High Tide $7 // Gaze of Granite $5 // Duress $9
And these recent promos
Eater of Hope $0.50 // Eidolon of Blossoms $4.75 // Kiora's Follower $1 // Tromokratis $0.50 // Hall of Triumph $2.50
I also have a Phage the Untouchable $1.50 you're looking for.
Have any of my wants in a deck? I'll trade down for wants.
Any and all promos are wanted (--with alternate art. This DOES include duel deck alternates!), but I am currently hunting the ones from the latest block. These ones, specifically:
Sylvan Caryatid ; Nighthowler ; Ember Swallower ; Abhorrent Overlord ; Shipbreaker Kraken ; Eater of Hope ; Arbiter of the Ideal ; Pain Seer ; Kiora's Follower ; Tromokratis ; Heroes' Bane ; Spawn of Thraxes ; Doomwake Giant ; Scourge of Fleets ; Hall of Triumph ; Eidolon of Blossoms ; and Dictate of Kruphix .
Please shoot me a message (tag so I'll be alerted), take a look in my binder, and any deck (except my Zombie Mill, Jund Sac, and Sen Trips) for things you would like to trade for!
Thank you for your time!
lemmingllama: Thanks! There's a couple of nifty choices in there.Blasphemous Act and Into the Roil look great, as well as maybe Wash Out . Other cards such as Capsize of Frost Breath are no good as they only affect one or two creatures at a time, which is no good if you're facing off against creature decks. Meanwhile, boardwipes such as Worldfire are definitely out of the question as it defeats the purpose of the deck. Destroying all permanents means no Hive Mind , means no Forced Fruition , no nothing. Thanks for your suggestions though!
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