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Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Planeswalker — Ugin
+2: Ugin, the Spirit Dragon deals 3 damage to target creature or player.
-X: Exile each permanent with converted mana cost X or less that's one or more colors.
-10: You gain 7 life, draw seven cards, then put up to seven permanent cards from your hand onto the battlefield.
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Ugin, the Spirit Dragon Discussion
3 days ago
I tested game 1 against Jund a bit. The matchup is fine. Much better than I expected.
I've swapped Tireless Tracker for Bloodbraid Elf because the Elf was bonkers vs Jund. We get them with sticky damage. BBE is sticky damage. I could see it swapping for Huntmaster of the Fells Flip or even Arlinn Kord Flip, but the Elf is by far the most aggressive of the 3. I'd board it in against any deck where I'm the beatdown and think I'll get to 4 mana. Definitely vs control, Jund, Tron, Pyromancer, and probably more.
Now I'm rethinking the counterspells in the deck. They are awful to cascade into and aren't that great otherwise. Mana Leak is amazing when I can actually cast it, but Spell Pierce and Spell Snare rot in the hand most of the time.
The problem is that the counters are needed to fight decks like KCI and Storm, but really suck against Humans and Vengevine and other such decks. If I'm using the counterspells defensively, then Simic Charm could fill the same role and have more utility. But there's no substitute to countering Ugin, the Spirit Dragon or Krark-Clan Ironworks. I think I can safely remove Spell Snare and replace it with something that I can cascade into, but if I add Simic Charm then I'm also raising the curve.
5 days ago
I like the list, I happen to play a tron deck also. I haven’t yet, but I was planning on testing 2 walking ballista in the deck soon, and I’m just wondering how effective you find them here in your deck?
I’m also playing a Jace, the Mind Sculptor in my list, I’m not sure if he will stay forever though as there’s other things I can do with that mana especially considering there’s a lot of aggro decks at my lgs. I’m also using 1 Karn, Scion of Urza alongside of course an Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and I find Karn very effective. I of course use between 2-3 Talisman of Dominance which gives me even more artifacts to help make the construct tokens even bigger.
1 week ago
Always great to see another Azusa player. It looks like your deck is based around going wide with elves for fast early mana to be finished with an explosive cradle. Since you're playing mono green, you should upgrade your mana base. You could also go with better LD like Strip Mine and Wasteland or even Ghost Quarter or just add more LD to go with crucible and Ramunap Excavator (add this card now!)
Other non LD options to mana base include the following...
Cavern of Souls - It seems you have a lot of hate for blue. Lets help.
Eldrazi Temple - Fuel eldrazi
Eye of Ugin - Tutor for eldrazi
Hall of the Bandit Lord - Highly underrated but subjective to meta
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - Baby cradle
Reliquary Tower - Always useful
Yavimaya Hollow - Regen is great
I know you have a lot of 1 drop elves, but some flexibility in your land base is key.
Now to find the utility lands...
Realms Uncharted - Just added this to my azusa deck and it works very well. Get the utility lands you need (politics) or recur them later with crucible and the excavtor (ADD HIM!)
Tempt with Discovery - Worst = Gaea's cradle untapped. Best = 5 untapped lands of your choice. RUN THIS!
You're going to want a lot of card draw with azusa since you'll be dumping your hand. Large bursts of card draw are preferred over slower incremental card draw
Garruk, Primal Hunter > Soul's Magesity. Or just have both. Same effect with more options for the same mana
Rishkar's Expertise > soul's magesity. Much strong effect for 1 more mana.
Shamanic Revelation - Baby regal force
Aside from your eldrazi, you dont have much creature removal. Green's weak point. As such, you should consider the following...
Song of the Dryads - enchant it on their commander and watch them cry
Lignify - Same with above but cheaper/budget. Easier to remove
Beast Within - Instant speed permanent removal
Vernal Bloom > heartbeat of spring. It costs 1 more, but since most of your lands are forests (even after adding in utility), it will help you more than them most of the time rather than all of the time.
It looks like you really hate the blue player. You could consider adding Dosan the Falling Leaf to replace or be redundant to hall of the gemstone.
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa - Works well with cradle, provides wincon and anti-boardwipe. HIGHLY recommended for your type of deck.
I would take out all 3 of your artifacts with an activated ability (everything except crucible and horn) and put in Null Rod. Since you're green, you will be ramping with lands and not artifacts like all 4 other colors do. If you remove your global mana doublers (aside from vernal bloom) and put in null rod, then you will be effectively winning the ramp race AND making it difficult for them to catch up. Don't forget blue decks use artifacts ;)
Blackblade Reforged - Azusa voltron! Fuels greater food effects.
Now for the ramp....
Boundless Realms - RAMP!!!
Courser of Kruphix - Ramp!
Lotus Cobra - Ramp
I know I offered a lot of suggestions so here are just a few ideas of what to cut, if you want more, lmk.
Norwood Priestess - You dont need to cheat things into play
Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma - It's ok, but you should ramp and provide evasion though less killable cards.
Elvish pipe - See norwood
Wirewood Channeler - How do you feel about him? I took him out of my elf deck because he felt slow. Maybe he works for you? I still feel his slot of ramp could be replace with non-creature based ramp since you already run so many elves at lower CMC that does similar effects like Priest of Titania of Evlish Archdruid. I feel it is TOO redundant to have him.
Garruk's Packleader - Cool but elemental bond or any other card draw is better
Grazing Gladehart - Just bad, if you need lifegain, see Miren, the Moaning Well which acts as a sac outlet to prevent your stuff from getting exiled/stolen, life and AND tutorable and doesnt take up a slot in your deck
While our decks differ, you can get some ideas by checking out my list Azusa, Lost but Woke
1 week ago
Nathanaiel Field of Ruin is an absolute must-have in this format, I fear. Any reactive or midrange deck that is not utilising the free land destruction provided by Field is a strictly inferior version of another deck that is. Celestial Colonnade, Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin, Academy Ruins, Raging Ravine, Urza's Tower, Sea Gate Wreckage, Eldrazi Temple, Moorland Haunt, Gavony Township, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle and I could go on - the point is, there are a lot of lands with powerful effects in Modern, and to not have the free answer provided to them in the form of Field is a serious omission that only the most proactive strategies can afford to make. A land drop that also double times as a spell is extremely powerful, especially one that answers the powerful lands of other decks.
So, given the necessity of Field of Ruin, is it greedy to play 3 colours? With any less than 22 coloured sources, I think so, but given that I play 26 lands, generally speaking, being colour screwed is not an issue. This is also greatly helped by the fact that so many of my cards only require one mana of a certain colour - the exceptions being the planeswalkers and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet. I think it would be extremely greedy to attempt to play Cryptic Command in this list, for instance, but when most spells can be cast within the realm of having just one black, blue and red, Field really doesn't hurt a lot. Also worth noting is that unlike Ghost Quarter, Field does not put you down a land, and also does fix your mana after it is activated, so in most cases, Field really shouldn't hurt.
The only time when Field is a real pain is if you have 2 of your 3 lands are Field of Ruin, because then your hand can be really slowed down. In such cases, either mulligan, or keep and pull through with Thoughtseize and Fatal Push. Consider also the early requirements of this list - with a single black mana, most of the relevant 1 and 2 drops are castable. The lack of Lightning Bolt is a conscious choice, one made for many reasons, one among which is the mana.
Inquisition of Kozilek misses too much. Cryptic Command, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, everything Tron plays, all of Jund's big drops including Bloodbraid Elf, Primeval Titan, Through the Breach, all the random four mana planeswalkers a bunch of different decks play, Gurmag Angler, Tasigur, the Golden Fang, and I could go on - but the point is, in a deck that isn't seeking to proactively push through damage and end the game, unconditional answers are better than conditional ones, and Thoughtseize excels in many a situation where Inquisition is only medium. The life loss is not as big a deal as it is in other decks, owing to the 3 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet and 3 Collective Brutality.
The list initially did have 2 Inquisition of Kozilek alongside its current package, but that proved to be too much discard in a primarily reactive shell. They were removed for more versatile and unconditional answers in Kolaghan's Command and Dreadbore. So far, that choice has definitely served me very well. Only 3 pure discard spells means the chance of dead draws is much lessened; besides, Kolaghan's Command, Collective Brutality, Sedraxis Specter and Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip all double time as hand disruption that also has additional effects, and so unlike the one mana discard spells, is much less often a dead draw.
Re: Tron, yes, game 1 is god awful. Game 2, however, is actually favoured. If Tron is heavy in your meta, I would recommend sideboarding more Pithing Needle and Fulminator Mage; otherwise, the general plan is Thoughtseize into Extirpate + Field of Ruin , with a bunch of countermagic to survive through their big threats. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is invaluable in this matchup owing to his ability to exile Wurmcoil Engine; Thundermaw Hellkite can also come down and eat a Karn Liberated or a Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. You can also set up some nasty loops with Kolaghan's Command and Fulminator Mage that completely shuts the Tron player out of the game; and since, unlike traditional control lists, this one can turn the corner and end the game super fast, once you've gotten your disruption down, you should be able to power through to the finish before they start making their seventh and eighth land drops.
Another line of play to keep in mind is Extirpate on one of their big threats - Tron is not a threat dense deck, and if it is clear they are going to be able to make their mana and start casting big guys, then it may be worth your while to think of all the threats in their deck, and then just start cutting through the lot, so that they have nothing to do with all their mana. Tron does not really have a draw engine either, so once you've dealt with the first 3-4 threats, you're in a very very favoured position to win.
I will be testing a lot more with this deck and I plan to post the results to https://patreon.com/invite/bxlvxg in a few days; stay tuned if this deck is something that interests you, and you want to see where this goes!
3 weeks ago
So for the first thing on the agenda, I would like to formally apologize for my absence from this deck (and magic in general for that matter). Life has been keeping me busy with school ending a couple of months ago (I know, summer is almost over), but with the end of school, work then began to arise and it just became very hard to stay active on tapped out and find time to actually build any decks (especially this one in particular). With that being said, I am back once again to build, formulate, test, and build again.
Second lets begin with a thank you to TailoredBacon for trying to answer Vlasiax's question in my absence, I really do appreciate it and love having input being discussed here to help improve everyone's The Ur-Dragon Deck. So now it is my turn to actually provide some input on the question as well :D and this will bring us to the 3rd topic.
Vlasiax: I have been using Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury, Ojutai, Soul of Winter, and Wasitora, Nekoru Queen mostly because they either fill a couple of rolls, or they are just strictly better than other dragons. Kolaghan will help provide extra damage when needed and if you have an army, the power will quickly grow out of control, but you are right, alone she does slightly under preform and it is very possible that you might not ever get to that army of dragons and might end up on the cutting block due to her cost and what she does, as she has no board impact right away. As for Ojutai, Soul of Winter, I have found that he will help lock down or slow down opponents that could very well grow out of control. Gilded Lotus is playing in almost every deck in my playgroup and tapping it down could help (but most of my group have ways of untapping it multiple times in a turn or other ways around it), so Ojutai is not bad, but for 7 mana, there might be something better. He lacks impact on the board upon entering and must attack to get his trigger, which if you have multiple dragons attacking, can be amazing, but if you don't, then he is more of a nuisance than anything. Wasitora, Nekoru Queen is probably out of all of the dragons you have mentioned, would be the one I keep, solely because of the Sac creature affect and strength it has on deck like Atraxa, Praetors' Voice, Captain Sissay, or other commander decks that rely so heavily on the commander. Though once again, I have found that she does get removed rather quickly as people don't want to lose their commander. She also shares the common problem with the other two and it is that she doesn't impact the board when she is played and is just a creature that people are like "okay, got to get rid of it by next turn so we don't sac anything". Turns out, dragons are threatening, but when dolled out one by one, people tend to just remove them before they become a problem. Which this brings us to your second question about hate.
YES!!!!! It does bring hate as people are going to remove your dragons before they can do anything. This is short and simple, if you play a 6 mana dragon, that will be removed to the infamous one mana Path of Exile, then yes, they are going to do it. I have found that counterspells aren't as big of a problem as one might imagine, but they are there and having Cavern of Souls does help, but I have considered alternate means. I just saw Conqueror's Flail tonight, and holy crap. A card that will more than likely give +5/+5 (because we are 5 color) and it has a Grand Abolisher like affect, I will take 10 please. Steely Resolve is another that I will probably try to find room for. I do not know if I want Taigam, Ojutai Master, or Surrak Dragonclaw, just because of their mana costs. Surrak is more tempting because it gives all your creatures trample, and makes everything uncounterable. So he is tempting, but really unsure right now. Requires play testing!!! So we should always look for ways to protect our dragons, but we must keep it cheap in cost if at all possible. If we can ramp out cheap spells that protect our dragons, while being able to dull out dragons, that would be ideal.
Last point, the planeswalkers. Oh boy, the planeswalkers. What can I saw, flavor wise, I love both Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh and they are both very powerful, but they are very expensive and if I had the choice, I would probably only keep Ugin, and that itself is a maybe right now. The Sarkhans are another thing. Sarkhan Unbroken on paper looks like he should be in this deck 100% of the time, but in reality, I don't think so. He is 5 mana for a very kill able mana rock that draws you one card, maybe two is a full turn rotation happens. Plus the ult, strikes fear into the hearts of your enemies and paints a very large target straight on his forehead. He will be killed, it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when, and it will be very soon after he is played. Now if you play Doubling Season with him, then by all means, ult him right away and live the dream, then tell me how it was because it sounds glorious. Sarkhan the Mad is one that I have thought about, but ultimately, have left out because he will be a 5 mana draw a card once or twice, or make a 5/5 dragon that could have just been played for the 5 mana from the start. His ult seems really cool, but requires a lot of dragons to do this. If I had to have a planeswalker, and really, I want to use this guy, it would have to be the new Sarkhan, Fireblood. He is a 3 mana ramp spell for dragons that can either ramp or loot a card, which he will more than likely loot on his first turn he is out. Second, because his abilities are just helping with ramp or looting and his ult only makes four 5/5 dragon tokens, which isn't as scary as pull every dragon out of the deck onto the field, so he does not receive as much hate as Sarkhan Unbroken. I think this also might be the only planeswalker I run just because he is cheap and is exactly what I want. Though Dack Fayden is very tempting as he can also ramp with artifact stealing.
Okay, now for my final set of words for the night. This was a lot to think about and type, but it is what we are here for to help discuss and further advance ones ideas. This being said, for the months that I have been playing magic, I have been playing a Storm Grixis deck, a competitive Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck, and even a Marwyn, the Nurturer commander deck. All of the experience and ideas from these decks will help build and form a new and improved The Ur-Dragon deck. One that will help push the deck to its very limits. Also the M19 and Commander 2018 has some awesome stuff for this deck and I look forward to improving the deck with all the fun things found in these sets. A 3 mana Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip that does impact the board straight away by discarding a card from all of our opponents and is a 4/4 flyer that can become a planeswalker in the later end of the game. Sold and I already have my Foil Prerelease Nicol Bolas for the deck. So with all of this, you guys can expect to see a new form of The Ur-Dragon Initiative in the coming month or two. Hopefully it is sooner, rather than later, but time must allow for research. I thank you all for listening, reading, and just enjoying the deck overall. Glad to see that it has remained high up on the ranks of the other The Ur-Dragon decks even with my absence and I hope everybody will continue to support The Ur-Dragon Initiative. Have a great night and may your sealed pulls and your commander games be great. Bye Bye!!!!!!
3 weeks ago
Vlasiax: I can't say I speak on behalf of Derpsofdoom, but I run a very similar deck and thought I might be able to provide some insight. On the topic of Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury, Ojutai, Soul of Winter, and Wasitora, Nekoru Queen, I sort of agree. They are some of the weaker cards in the deck, but I think all of them serve their purpose. Kolaghan is good because of the ability stacking so it can get in for some really good early damage. There have also been a few occasions where it helps get to the 21 commander damage in two swings instead of 3. Ojutai has helped me with closing out games that are at sort of a stand-still because I can tap down the bigger threats my opponents have and get some good damage in. It also helps against Atraxa, Praetors' Voice decks because that card can be annoying to deal with, at least in my meta. Wasitora is again good against decks that run fewer creatures and it is really good in the early game at preventing them from getting a good footing. The countermagic and artifact hate kind of depends on meta, and in mine the Cavern of Souls is usually good enough. In the occasional more controlling matchups, I do bring in a Taigam, Ojutai Master, but I rarely have to. I do think those cards are definitely worth a place in control matchups, especially against multiple control decks. As for the plansewalkers, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh are just really powerful, irrelevant of what type of deck you are running. Ugin is really good at wiping the smaller creatures and permanents, which is good because dragons are typically very high CMC cards, and using his -11 is insane. Nicol Bolas is really good at either making sure your opponents don't have very many cards in hand with the +1, and once they're low on cards you can start using the +2 to steal their cards from their library, and the -12 is also crazy, even though it rarely ever gets to that point. I personally tried Sarkhan Unbroken and thought it was a little slow for my taste. I understand that it has ramp and card draw in its +1, which is good, and the -8 can put you way ahead, but I think the deck has better ramp and card draw already, and -8 is really difficult to get to. I've never personally tried Sarkhan the Mad, and I've always been interested to try it because the -4 can just straight up kill people, the -2 can remove bigger and better cards for a 5/5 flier, which is not a lot in commander, and the 0 is good to use if you've used the other two abilities because it has no abilities that add loyalty counters. Sorry if I've been rambling lol, I just play this deck a lot and have tried a lot of different combinations of 99 cards to see how the deck plays out.
3 weeks ago
No. Hexproof prevents a permanent from being targeted, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon's -X ability does not say target.