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Devastation Tide Discussion
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3 weeks ago
Welcome, fellow planeswalkers, to the Official MagicalHacker Commander List Update (OMCLU) for Commander 2017!
If you are not aware, I have had lists for commander staple effects for a very long time now, and I have been updating them as new sets are released. Unlike other staple lists that showcase individual cards that are commonly used (which http://edhrec.com does better anyways), I instead use these lists to show all cards in categories that have proven to be advantageous to have in Commander. More specifically, these categories of staples are ones that answer certain problems a deck could be experiencing, such as having a hard time against control, not being able to play cards in hand quickly enough, or dealing with problematic commanders. (The full list can be found on my profile.)
The purpose of this thread is three-fold:
To raise public awareness for these lists (which I know to be extremely useful since I use them more than literally any other resource online when building decks), especially for the newest additions to them.
To receive feedback about C17 cards that should be added/removed from lists, as I am only human and make mistakes too.
To receive feedback about older cards that should be added/removed from lists. I'm surprised how many times I miss cards when they should be included.
Commander 2017 is up on Gatherer, so its now time to go through the process of updating my decks! (Sorry for the delay, I was working through some technical difficulties.)
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( Lunar Mystic )
( Novijen Sages )
( Unifying Theory )
( Horn of Plenty )
( Serum Tank )
Refined linked gatherer search to include Black Sun's Zenith
Aethersquall Ancient removed
Call for Blood removed
Coastal Breach removed
Devastation Tide removed
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Refined linked gatherer search to include Engulfing Slagwurm's wording of pillow fort
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Refined linked gatherer search to include Curse of Vitality's wording of group hug
Thanks for reading the wall of text! If you would like to see the whole list of lists, they can all be found on my profile: MagicalHacker.
Have fun deckbuilding!
3 weeks ago
Oops! Yes, you're right. I thought Coastal Breach was an instant, and I thought that since Devastation Tide can be cast as an instant since it has miracle that it could work, but it's nearly impossible to set it up like that.
1 month ago
Consecrated Sphinx (draw engine that hits things)
Decree of Pain (Draw engine board whipe OR uncounterable board wipe with a draw)
Fierce Empath (Creature tutor that tutors creatures)
Forbid (With damia, the buyback isnt even that big of a drawback)
Green Sun's Zenith (ALL THE TUTORS!)
Increasing Ambition (MOAR TUTORS!)
Mystical Teachings (tutors!)
Phyrexian Delver (high value creature; only life point that matters is your last)
Protean Hulk (Stupidly high value creature they unbanned)
Putrefy (more removal because the deck needs it)
Sakura-Tribe Elder (Ramp and a blocker... just good)
Solemn Simulacrum (Ramp and draw... just good value)
Spell Crumple (Get tucked nerd)
Sylvan Tutor (Tutors = consistency = win)
Swan Song (Cheaper counters)
Tooth and Nail (Blightsteel Colossus + Torrential Gearhulk = crazy value; so many options)
Toxic Deluge (Awesome removal spell)
Venser, Shaper Savant (removal/counterspell on a creature)
Volrath's Stronghold (recur creatures with a land. Nuff said)
Vraska the Unseen (removal and a walker)
Worldly Tutor (Tutors = consistency = wins)
Asceticism (just counter stuff)
Collective Voyage (Symetrical, therefore not helpful)
Coiling Oracle (not strong enough)
Consuming Aberration (just a big fatty... but rarely game swinging)
Darksteel Citadel (I have no clue why you would need an indestructible artifact land)
Devastation Tide (Sorcery therefore too slow & you'll have better options)
Dissipate (You only need about 10 counterspells; this one is just a cut to make room for better cards since you had 11 counters)
Dissolve (getting replaced by Forbid)
Evacuation (better options available)
Far Wanderings (Slow ramp)
Horizon Chimera (I'm not sure you need the life gain so badly that he has to stay, and he's not here for any other purpose. I think you have enough gain with Scooze and Obnoxious)
Isochron Scepter (too likely to get you 2-for-1'd)
Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix (not good on its own)
Leyline of Anticipation (Your deck already has a good half of its castable cards at instant speed)
Naturalize (you are adding enough artifact/enchant removal... should be ok to cut)
Neurok Stealthsuit (just counter stuff)
Rewind (Expensive, and that untapped mana is so rarely relevant in my experience)
Rupture Spire (bad land, and your deck is stable enough with land)
Thing in the Ice Flip (too slow/not good on its own)
Thrasios, Triton Hero (you have tasigur and a ton of ways to tutor him up... probably dont need the "2nd copy" of tasigur)
Time Stop (it's just so expensive)
Exploration (to ramp up to Damia and then let her refill your hand letting you play tons of lands all the time)
Exsanguinate (This provides a wincon or a source of lifegain in a pinch... but I'm not sure you need lifegain that badly, and no good deck will let you kill them with a massive exsanguinate... so if you don't need it for lifegain, you just don't need it).
Courser of Kruphix (same lifegain boat... requires testing to see if he might be needed, although at that point it would be worth looking into boarding Horizon Chimera back in, or maybe running a Wurmcoil Engine).
Fierce Empath allows for a lot of stability with fetching, which is where I am trying to cut off some of the lower curve of your creature base when you have more powerful options available at higher costs, and can spend the first turns of the game trying to keep opponents off of pulling too far ahead of any one other player. Early turns can also be spend casting any of your many tutors to set yourself up.
Similarly I am trying to develop the deck with a lot of cards which have high power and also provide a high level of consistency by tutoring in one way or another, examples being Increasing Ambition, Protean Hulk, Mystical Teachings (which can fetch Torrential Gearhulk, Venser, Shaper Savant, Snapcaster Mage, and Teferi, Mage of Zalfir).
So these suggestions are supposed to bring about consistency in the deck and therefore achieve power by method of consistency. It makes the deck very slow and you'll have to get really good at shuffling and making snap decisions for finding cards from teh deck when you tutor, but from my experience playing control sharuum, consistency is king for control decks, and having just a few high power creatures should be enough to win you games.
1 month ago
Eldrazi Displacer, Roon of the Hidden Realm, Mistmeadow Witch, Crystal Shard, Dissipation Field, AEther Adept, Reflector Mage, Man-o'-War, Tradewind Rider, Vedalken Mastermind, AEtherize, AEtherspouts, Evacuation, Cyclonic Rift, Devastation Tide, Deputy of Acquittals, and Brago, King Eternal are just a few suggestions.
Be wary of Eldrazi Displacer because he requires colorless mana to activate. Sounds like a cool idea with a bunch of ETB effects on your creatures so if your opponent is creature lite you will still be effective. Lavinia of the Tenth would be a cool general that would be obnoxious to go against. Especially against a deck that utilizes a bunch of mana dorks. Also good for the mirror match. Deadeye Navigator is a total must. I know someone else mentioned him, but if you do get him on the board he's so broken. Another idea would be to play Mimic Vat having recurring creatures of you or your opponents sounds legit.
1 month ago
2 months ago
Sorry all for the late reply. I hadn't noticed all the comments.
I actually came to this deck to make notify of some changes, for those curious.
Out: Trinket Mage, Coralhelm Commander, Deadeye Navigator, Dissolve, Aeon Chronicler, Aether Gale, Trailblazer's Boots, Soramaro, First to Dream, Mnemonic Wall
In: Forbid, Recall, Dissipation Field, Time Stop, Amnesia, Long-Term Plans, Mirror-Mad Phantasm, Ivory Tower, Kefnet the Mindful
To Leumas, yeah, Coralhelm Commander didn't do a whole lot in this deck, and has been cut. I never found myself wanting to bother with leveling it up. My initial thought was it would make for a nice flier with spare mana. Not worth it though. Chasm Skulker was in this deck before Kami was the commander, and it was fun, but with the return to hand effects I have in this deck, I either lose the counters on it, or if it's been destroyed, I lose the tokens. It's good, but not so much for this build. Ebony Owl Netsuke I do like as well, but I am specifically trying to stay away from effects like that. It's just personal preference. Quest for Ula's Temple is great too, but I don't want anyone knowing anything have in my hand, and it also suffers from my own return to hand spells like Devastation Tide. I could see Sphinx's Tutelage being in here at some point though. I will keep it in the maybeboard. Thanks!
To Love-in-Theory, you'll see I just added Kefnet the Mindful. It seems really broken for this deck, and I'm excited to see it hit the field. I like Levitation, but my deck usually doesn't swing unless I can get a little hit in, or when there is one opponent left, in which case this deck can easily defeat that last opponent after I've crafted my hand the whole game. Soramaro, First to Dream wasn't bad, but it wasn't doing a whole lot for me either. It's been cut for now. Patron of the Moon has come up minimally since I've added it, but I haven't been upset to see it, and it feels nice to be able to jettison land from my hand. Magus of the Jar I haven't really had come up too much so I can't really say one way or the other how well it's going to really work. That draw sphinx I don't really need. I could see getting it some day, but for now I'm gonna hold off.
To Trtl, I could never get rid of Thought Vessel. It's too good in this deck. The vessel is great for this deck not just because of bit of ramp but because of the no max hand size attribute. I've been suggested Library of Leng before, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. My playgroup doesn't do much in the way of wheel effects, though one of my friends was talking about making a deck with that new Locust god, and how good it would be with a bunch of wheels, so perhaps that will be a much needed inclusion in the future. I will add it to the Maybeboard. Forbid I DID just add, so that suggestion was spot on!