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Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Draw a card, then discard a card. If there are five or more cards in your graveyard, exile Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
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Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Discussion
1 week ago
I'd cut each the following:
-1x Tablet of the Guilds (lifegain on its own is generally terrible)
-3x Prison Term (there's a lot of better options))
-1x Wall of Denial (again, better options are out there)
-1x Angel of Invention (doesn't dodge Lightning Bolt and you're not playing a lot of creatures. It's mana cost is too high to justify playing a creature without flash)
-1x Niblis of Frost (It dodges Fatal Push and Abrupt Decay, but not Lightning Bolt)
-3x Render Silent (there are cheaper Counterspells. 3 mana is a lot)
-1x AEtherling (you don't need a lot of win conditions)
-1x Azorius Guildmage (we need some room)
-2x Negate (again, need more room for some other stuff)
+1x Opt (you want 4 copies)
+2x Detention Sphere (general purpose removeal)
+2x Mana Leak (low mana Counterspell)
+1x Dispel (this is fills a role similar to Negate, except it costs less mana)
+1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion (this is the type of win condition you're probably looking for)
+1x Condemn (Death's Shadow really doesn't like this card)
+1x Logic Knot (it's a hard counter that's excellent to have later in the game)
+4x Spreading Seas (some decks simply won't be able to cast spells at all if you play this, especially Tron)
+1x Venser, Shaper Savant (this should just be in your main)
For your sideboard, I'd do:
1x Blessed Alliance (good catch-all card to handle a variety of decks)
1x Supreme Verdict (against Aggro, you'll want more sweepers)
2x Blind Obedience (this is a good choice against burn and you're already playing them)
2x Disenchant (you need instant speed artifact/enchantment removal)
2x Relic of Progenitus (graveyard hate)
1x Essence Scatter (good choice)
2x Negate (these are the ones that were main but get moved to the side. You bring them in against combo and control)
1x Dispel (against some decks you'll want 2, namely control decks)
1x Celestial Purge (beats Zoo, Burn, and Rock strategies)
2x Ceremonious Rejection (helps against Tron and Affinity)
After that, the main things you'll want are Cryptic Command, Snapcaster Mage, Celestial Colonnade, and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip (which you know). On the cheaper end of things, look to getting 3x more Serum Visions, Search for Azcanta Flip, Jace, Architect of Thought, Stony Silence, Rest in Peace, Mindbreak Trap, and Wall of Omens.
You'll also want to improve your mana base, as that's probably the most important part of a control deck. Once you have 4x Flooded Strands, 4x Hallowed Fountain, and 4x Glacial Fortress, you can add in more utility lands, such as Field of Ruin and Ghost Quarter. Seachrome Coast is another great option.
I'd cut Evolving Wilds from your deck right away and add in 3x Plains and 1x Island. Port Town and Temple of Enlightenment are okay to have, but look to replace those with Glacial Fortress or the other lands I mentioned. You really don't want lands that always come into play tapped that aren't manlands. Otherwise, you'll die when you can't cast Supreme Verdict on turn 4 or Dispel + Negate on turn 3 when you're going second against burn.
1 week ago
While testing this,Jace, Cunning Castaway feels a little awkward. This build empties its hand quite easily, so several tests I was stuck in top deck and just Jace on the table. Looking at it some more, I think Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip would actually work better. This deck puts a lot in the graveyard quick, so he should flip fast and the Walker abilities a pretty powerful. Otherwise, maybe a couple Snapcaster Mage in his place? Also, maybe shave a Path for a Countersquall.
Otherwise, this deck feels legit. Very explosive and lots of crossroad synergies.
1 week ago
Basic islands are worthless here. In modern the biggest part of the buy-in is getting fetch lands and shock lands, but once you have them, they'll be in most of your decks. You may also want to invest in 4 Noble Hierarch and a set of Inkmoth Nexus. As for your spells, for draw power I'm more a fan of Slip Through Space or Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip myself. You should side out your dispels and instead get 2 Dismember. 4 vines, 4 krosa. 4 groundswell, 4 mutagenic, 3-4 blossoming, 1-2 apostle's, 2-3 become immense, a slip or distortion strike, 2 spell pierce and dismember, and maybe a twisted image or piracy charm if you feel like experimenting. That's more or less your engine. That and little buffs from Hierarch or Pendelhaven. As the meta shifts you can experiment with Spellskite, Viridian Corrupter, and Wild Defiance.
Wish you the best of luck. Infect went from best deck in modern to fringe competitive when we lost probe.
1 week ago
List of things that could be better.
1.) Better Early Ramp Play more of the low cmc mana dorks like Boreal Druid, and Elvish Mystic. Then the noncreature one mana ramp like Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth. 2 mana dorks like Bloom Tender and Priest of Titania. Also Probably a good idea to only play one of the four mana accelerators like Vizier of the Menagerie, Oracle of Mul Daya, and 3 cmc Courser of Kruphix as the early ramp that the one cmc dork provide is much faster.
2.) Evaluate what impact a card has when played (General rule is 4 cmc or higher should put you at a significant advantage or outright win you the game)Remove the cards that dont provide significant advantage and are just general goodstuff value like Thragtusk, Vedalken Orrery replaced by Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, Portal Mage, Mnemonic Wall replaced by Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, Nissa, Steward of Elements probably should probably be another combo piece or some sort of draw/protection.
3.) More and Better Counterspells Use better counterspells than Disallow. Like Counterspell, Remand, Unsubstantiate, Daze, Spell Snare, Swan Song, Muddle the Mixture, Mana Drain, Mental Misstep, Delay, Dispel, Spell Pierce, and Negate. Your counterspell package should really be large so you can play Baral, Chief of Compliance and get more Rashmi, Eternities Crafter Triggers on other players turns while searching for you combo.
4.) Better Lands
Off color fetches like Flooded Strand, or Wooded Foothills are still better than Evolving Wilds. Other cards like Crop Rotation can fetch Gaea's Cradle or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or even help fix you mana early on. Along those lines if you still feel you need more fixing Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim can grab fetch lands and get untapped lands which is much better. Lands like Simic Growth Chamber, Temple of the False God,and Seat of the Synod should be replaced by lands like City of Brass, Mana Confluence, and Ancient Tomb or other off color fetches to more reliably get you mana base set.
5.) Better Draw and top deck manipulation
In the category of better "draw" or more honestly hand manipulation cards like Frantic Search, Baral, Chief of Compliance, and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip are great at giving you the ability to toss tech cards like Manglehorn or Reclamation Sage when they are not needed and get better stuff. Now in straight card draw cards like Pull from Tomorrow, Fact or Fiction, and Gitaxian Probe either offer massive draw or knowledge of another opponents hand. You should play Preordain for more draw and top deck manipulation.
6.) Some combos are just better Some of the best most consistent methods of making your opponents not win the game.
c.) Seasons Past + Hurkyl's Recall This one requires more artifact mana rocks and is usually a backup plan to Dramatic Reversal being exiled somehow. Same strategy as the last combo with a set of rocks as follows: Mox Diamond, Simic Signet, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, Mana Crypt, and Sol Ring.
Start off by tapping or playing any rocks that generate you mana then play Hurkyl's Recall on yourself.
Cast these rocks and generate 3 colorless 2 blue and 1 green mana.
Now use Hurkyl's Recall again on yourself going to 1 blue 2 green in pool.
You can repeat this to generate infinite colorless mana and then cast Simic Signet in the loop to generate inifinite colored as well.
Winning the Game with inifinite mana
d.) Seasons Past + Beast Within + Reality Shift - use Beast Within to destroy a permanent then Reality Shift the beast to make them manifest a card. Then use Seasons Past to loop this until all opponents have no decks.
f.) Beast Within + Swan Song-Beast Within all of their stuff then bounce it with something like Cyclonic Rift Then start playing permanents that can be destroyed and Beast Withining your own permanent. Loop with Seasons Past to create infinite beasts. This also works with Swan Song by countering your own spells and looping with Seasons Past.
The combo you use depends heavily on what you have available in your deck once you achieve infinite mana. The goal is to have a diverse enough list that not everything you need can be exiled.
Hope this helps out.
1 week ago
Thanks for the suggestion slimoGMS, but I'm not sure Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip really fits in this deck. His +1 is not very useful considering the overall strategy and his -3 is not relevant enough. It's a good card but not good enough for this deck's strategy. I do admit that his ult would mill out the opponent pretty fast with the amount of spells cast per turn, but I just don't know if I can sacrifice a spot for him.
2 weeks ago
Unstable Obelisk- Its mana intensive to do, but this effect is very valuable to have in your colors. I recommend having it just in case.
Bedlam Reveler- A very good topdeck late in the game, as well as an efficent beater for that refills your hand. Not so good if you're early on and dont have self mill
Bloodwater Entity- for a Reclaim and an evasive body with prowess is not a bad rate. Downside of course is having to use your jori trigger or a cantrip to get the card into your hand (but thats not so hard).
Torrential Gearhulk- This is the only gearhulk that is seeing modern play for a reason. It lets us keep using our graveyard as a resource, while being a big body. Very often you can flash it in to block and cast a random spell in your graveyard FOR FREE to get a jori trigger. Thats a 3 for 1. And now you have a 5/6.
Magma Jet- Part of my efforts to find interaction that gives card advantage. 2 damage isn't a lot, but its an instant speed play that can pick off utility creatures while giving us powerful card selection
Oona's Grace-Particularly powerful with your cost reducers, gives us a way to use our excess lands to hit jori triggers. Also an excellent card to discard.
Remand- Tempo play that digs you deeper. I'd probably fire this one off at the first chance i'd get.
Voyage's End- Instant speed bounce with scry. Similar options discussed later.
Riptide Laboratory- mana is actually a big issue with this deck, but I think this effect is powerful enough
Anchor to the Aether- Sorcery speed, but going to the top of the library messes up your opponent's next draw, while the scry digs you further through the deck. I haven't played with this one yet, but it might be good to test.
Pieces of the Puzzle- is a lot and sorcery speed sucks, but this is a powerful draw spell that has the advantage of also filling your graveyard
Spite of Mogis- This is the addition that I am most proud of. I can't believe we didn't know this card existed.
Perilous Voyage- Excellent if it hits something with cmc or less, underwhelming if not. Meta call. Also note that it has cyclonic rift's restriction.
Repulse-Bounce with draw. I think this is the best rate for this effect.
Select for Inspection-A bit troublesome to use, but the scry bounce for only is nice
Stymied Hopes- I'd consider this one a tempo play. Hit the first thing you can, so you can get that sweet sweet scry.
Unsubstantiate- Versatile spell, but the lack of card advantage on it is a minus
Baral's Expertise- Big bounce spell, will trigger Jori. But costs .
Mystic Speculation- Could be ok. Scry 3 is a lot, but thats all it does. I dont see you buying this back all that often.
Shreds of Sanity- 2 cards back for 3 mana + a card. Sounds interesting
Strategic Planning- sorcery speed impulse, but fills your yard.
Void Snare- 1 mana bounce
2 weeks ago
first off, two things
mizzix is a combo general, not control, and "control" and "fun" arent really the same thing, if by fun control you mean YOU have fun and nobody else does, then you're talking control!
there's a million options for good control commanders, but for edh multiplayer the most common and reliable control are stax builds, where you ramp out very fast into stuff like Smokestack, Winter Orb, Torpor Orb and Sphere of Resistance which then slows everyone down immensely with you being in the lead, problem is most of the good ramp that gets you very far ahead very fast to be able to handle the effects of such cards on your own board state are pricy.
keranos because it combines the above stax with Counterspells galore and the ability to cast Jokulhaups/Obliterate/Wildfire without keranos dying, and he just draws you into more lands and counters and bolts creatures
meren because she can easily ramp early by stacking Arbor Elf type cards and then playing stax or cards like Living Plane, Grave Pact or Contamination to not let opponents do much of anything while getting a free creature to sacrifice every turn, abusing stuff like Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Gray Merchant of Asphodel or Eternal Witness
stax is the cornerstone of edh control, but many other commanders do it well,
the most fun but least competitive form of staxcontrol is chaos, where silly things occur and lots of dice rolls of chance, for these you want my favorite general, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, or other chaos generals like Norin the Wary
nekusar uses chaos to win in the form of mass draws via Teferi's Puzzle Box or Wheel of Fortune effects, which is like casting a bunch of global mulligans and can either win you games or feed your opponents based on what cards are drawn when you force draw
theres plenty more but those are the most common i can think of