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Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Draw a card, then discard a card. If there are five or more cards in your graveyard, exile Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
|Want (2)||Snapdisastermage , philltissimo|
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|From the Vault: Transform (V17)||None|
|Magic Origins (ORI)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy occurrence in decks from the last year
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Discussion
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Other things I'm surprised not to see in here: Teferi's Puzzle Box, Mindmoil, Arjun, the Shifting Flame. These don't necessarily combo with the Brallin side of the deck, but it DOES work with Shabraz. Not only that, this can help us get into other cards and keep fueling our draw and discard. I also personally don't like running Planeswalkers, but Dack Fayden can be pretty good. Faithless Looting on a body and then also stealing an artifact seems pretty good. Other cards I was surprised to not see were Thrill of Possibility, Cathartic Reunion, Frantic Search, Careful Study, Tormenting Voice, Rhystic Study, Jeskai Ascendancy, Whirlwind of Thought.
I'm curious as to why Shark Typhoon is in the deck though. A 6 Mana make an X/X Shark doesn't seem overly impressive when we only have small cantrip like spells. I also personally don't like Runehorn Hellkite, cause its either a 6 mana 5/5 with flying, or something we need to discard to then pay mana to wheel. I feel like the deck has a nice top end, but it lacks a lot of early game. We are basically hoping to get one of our commanders out ASAP, but it seems like we are hoping to hit a lot of ramp early on to then get someone out and THEN do our draw/discard thing.
Other fun things or cards not mentioned is Sigil of Sleep. Putting this on one of the pingers (Brallin, Glint-Horn Buccaneer, one of the Niv's) lets us begin to bounce creatures to players hands whenever we deal damage. So we start discarding cards, we can start returning problem threats to the player's hands. Tireless Tribe is an instant speed, repeatable discard outlet. Sure it doesn't do anything other than that, but it could be the difference between killing a person or not. Basilisk Collar/Loxodon Warhammer/Shadowspear are alternative ways to use Brallin like ping effects for things other than Infect (if play groups don't like it for example). This also fits into the "voltron" style of the deck, allowing intense lifegain. Early game cards we can add are Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip/Magus of the Bazaar. These lets us repeatedly draw and discard, and Jace can flip to allow us to flash back cards. Wild Research is a cool way to help tutor up our wincons from our enchantments or if we need a counterspell or something while synergizing with Brallin pinger effects. We could also include some of the hatebear like cards from white to help slow down our opponents in the early game if it comes down to it.
All in all, I like the deck idea. I LIKE flexible decks that can switch gears when it needs to, and isn't solely linear ("I tutor this card and win). You can play casually and just try to voltron Shabraz, or enable combo kills with Brallin. Other than a handful of cards, I am REALLY interested in possibly building this deck!
1 month ago
FunnyDuck Thanks much for the suggestions and the upvote! If I'm reading it right, you suggest the deck should shore up in these areas:
1) GY control, either through reanimation or exile.
2) Commander control, through sac effects.
3) Additional ramp.
Plus the recommendation of Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, which I appreciate because she was my favorite card of Origins. I spent so much money on drafts trying to pull her, and I was so mad I just kept getting the (then $7) Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip...
ANYWAY. Lots of good points. I will say it's tough with an "engine" deck like this one to add additional utility without sacrificing consistency. It's just SO BAD if you have out the Megrim effects and then stop drawing gas. As much as possible I'm trying to make the utility and win-con effects overlap with other synergies, like Madness, or else stick it in the land slot, like Bojuka Bog.
For category 1), I definitely like Scavenger Grounds, and maybe: Elspeth's Nightmare, Phyrexian Scriptures, Nezumi Graverobber, Shred Memory (which can tutor for either a Your-Turn Discard or a Liliana's Caress) or Erebos's Intervention?
For 2), I'm not convinced that the deck can't run without Tinybones, since there are other ways to break parity in both the discard selection and in the extra Draw Engines. Tinybones is also really easy to recast through Commander Tax, so the real problem is being stolen. I'm thinking maybe just running a Homeward Path and Phyrexian Tower and maybe Endless Sands, which also works with Scavenger Grounds. If I'm running these colorless/non-Swamp lands I should probably throw in Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
I would really love to run that Liliana, but without adding more sacrifice effects, I don't think I can pull it off. That's definitely one way to build the deck, though.
Thanks again! I'll make some changes now and what I don't make room for now, I'll add to a recommendations section on card selections if you're facing GY decks, steal decks, etc.
2 months ago
It seems like you're running burn as your wincon.
Here are some cards that might help.
Since these are symmetrical burn, you could also run Glacial Chasm and stall it out. This is also the most important land card to run with these mono red sorcery finishers. Your Pariah is also a god level card with this setup. You might also consider Heartless Hidetsugu as a combo with these 2 cards.
For more drastic changes, you can fix around your landbase to cut a lot of nonbasics and add basics with a load of fetchlands, such as Fabled Passage, Prismatic Vista, , Ash Barrens, Terramorphic Expanse, Evolving Wilds, Myriad Landscape, Warped Landscape, some Panorama fetches, and keeping Flooded Strand + Scalding Tarn + Arid Mesa. I have this landbase in another of my burn decks and its fully sufficient for tri-colour commanders. In white, you get access to Land Tax as well so it helps further fix your mana - although in my experience with this landbase I would say its not even necessary.
With a basic land landbase, it opens you up to more burn, such as Price of Progress, Burning Earth. It also opens you up to hard stax cards if you have a vendetta against someone: Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon, Back to Basics.
An alternative package you can consider with your wheels is Narset, Parter of Veils and Alms Collector to discard their entire hand. You already have Smothering Tithe as well. Psychic Possession is also insane with wheels as it lets you draw 14 off a single wheel.
I would also just add Underworld Breach because its straight up insane.
You can also try Mana Geyser for a super explosive turn by recasting it from the graveyard again.
Dack Fayden is both a ramp card and a way to dump cards into your graveyard.
Some cards I see that you could also try cutting/changing are:
Land Tax - you can run ramp artifacts instead, such as Surveyor's Scope. Surveyor's Scope is an excellent card with many fetchlands as you can tap them to sac as a cost, then activate Surveyor's Scope for up to 3 basics untapped since your fetchland is no longer on the field. Or basically any other 2 mana rock will do.
I would consider Ral, Izzet Viceroy a bit too slow.
Long live our Overlord Sevinne
2 months ago
2 months ago
3 months ago
I agree with multimedia: Two-mana mana-rocks are really important in EDH, as long as you're not in green. My first instinct here is to add more of them, and upgrade the three-drop rocks to two-drops. Three-drops like Commander's Sphere and Chromatic Lantern aren't as good, since they don't allow you to cast your general turn three. Consider some adding some of the following: Talisman of Conviction, Talisman of Hierarchy, Fellwar Stone, Talisman of Indulgence, Arcane Signet, Everflowing Chalice, Mind Stone...
I like Crackling Doom, since to be good 2+-for-ones are necessary in EDH (since you have 3 opponents). Fire Covenant and Kolaghan's Command are also fairly powerful, the former more than the latter. Wear / Tear is also a RW staple.
There're some lands I think you missed. Savai Triome is almost strictly better than Nomad Outpost and could probably replace one of your basics. Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, Forbidden Orchard and Exotic Orchard are also funny, though the first few are kinda expensive. If you have $10 and want to get spicy, Shizo, Death's Storehouse can replace a basic Swamp and will give your general more evasion. I also think you can cut one to three lands if you put in more artifact-based ramp, since this'll make your deck faster. Slow-fetches like Rocky Tar Pit, Mountain Valley and friends are also on the table, since they can get Smoldering Marsh and Savai Triome (if you run it).
Alternatively, you could consider the "moon" plan. Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon can be back-breaking against a lot of decks, and if you design your deck right you can still run them in a three-color deck. Running snow-covered lands and Arcum's Astrolabe can help, and your signets/potential talismans are all good ways to smooth out your colors. Ruination is similar. If you want to go hard (I like pushing my decks to be as good as possible), consider Armageddon and Ravages of War: those can end a game if your general is out, since you can prevent a response.
Depending on your meta, you may want to consider cards like Cursed Totem. If you're playing against a green player (who is playing dorks, which they 2,000% should), this will shut down Elvish Mystic etc. and slow them down like crazy. It also shuts down Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip shenanigans and other abilities.
Deflecting Swat seems like a good way to protect your general from spot-removal.
Last card I can suggest is Cataclysm. It's good for wiping the board once you've landed your general, and making people lose their lands serves as protection for her. Also note that it totally wipes planeswalkers.
3 months ago
Since it's a few posts back, the challenge (from JUNDforDaWin) was "Create a origins type planeswalker (Ex. Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip Flip for a character that is an existing legendary creature, but not a planeswalker."
However, I'd like to make a request (you don't have to follow it if you don't want to). Make this type of card for Kaalia of the Vast. I was reading a bit about her lore earlier today and it seems like she has real potential for a spark to be ignited.