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Ethersworn Canonist Discussion
2 days ago
The problem with Gelatinous Genesis is that there's no real good reason to run it in place of either eldrazi, or the cards that search for it (Primeval Titan or Crop Rotation into Eye of Ugin).
You could have some fun with Living Wish, here are some cards I have thought about or played in the past:
You can also explore more options by splashing white. While I generally don't think that's a good idea practically speaking, you do get some options you wouldn't have in Mono G like Ethersworn Canonist, Gaddock Teeg, Magus of the Moat, Selfless Spirit, etc.
2 weeks ago
That does raise the question of whether it is worth splashing white in the first place, which is an area I have messed with in the past. If I were to splash white, as far as I know I would also gain Gaddock Teeg, Ethersworn Canonist, Kataki, War's Wage, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, and a bunch of others that I can't quite remember off the top of my head.
First, the cost of splashing white wouldn't be negligible. There are only 13 colored lands in the deck, and ideally you would want two of them by turn 4. The odds of drawing one forest in opening hand is about 80%, and the odds of drawing a 2nd forest is around 60-65%. Because of the dependence on getting at least one green source in opening hand and two green sources a few turns later, that means the best way to splash would be with fetchlands and duals that don't affect the math behind these already borderline risky numbers (so Savannah and green fetches like Windswept Heath ). If the fetchlands didn't have the life payment, then the white splash would be the easiest decision ever. However, as it stands, there really isn't much that splashing white adds to the deck. Combo matches are always going to be bad, there are alternatives to Terra Eternal in green (I mentioned Crucible of Worlds and Splendid Reclamation earlier), and the deck is quite capable of surviving through land destruction, minimum two lands at any given point (in fact I used your deck as a measuring stick and the matches were real close). Finally if I REALLY wanted to splash for one of those effects I would probably play Sacred Ground instead. This ends up in a place where the life payment from splashing is much more likely to be detrimental compared to the benefits gained from splashing for that one white sideboard card, and even if I did splash I wouldn't use Terra Eternal.
Appreciate the comment though, always cool to see new ideas.
2 weeks ago
-Logician: Chain of Vapor is harder to stop against Sisay because the deck doesn't just run out of steam and can consistently play more than 1 relevant hatebear.
I agree with everyone else here re: Teeg vs Sisay, as well as the possibility your meta might not be optimal. I'd also add that Sisay lists these days also just play Paradox Engine as a win, which makes Sisay both a fast (albeit fragile) combo deck and a stax deck at the same time, whereas Teeg doesn't have that advantage.
I took a look at your list; it seems pretty good for the most part, but the lack of Carpet of Flowers, Null Rod, Root Maze, Stony Silence, Chrome Mox, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Ethersworn Canonist, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Tormod's Crypt, Grafdigger's Cage, Containment Priest, or Rest in Peace is suspicious to me and makes me wonder if you're actually playing in a cEDH meta or if you're just stomping pubs. (Especially the Eidolon/Ethersworn honestly). I'm not saying play all of those cards-- e.g. Chrome Mox doesn't synergize with Null Rod obviously, Loyal Retainers can't do anything with RIP/Cage out-- but in a hatebears list with few artifacts and few ways to recur the GY it seems like you should be playing some of those? Because specific hatebears are sometimes useless (Hushwing sucks vs Zur for example), so can be turned into fast mana with Chrome Mox, or you can limit artifacts and go for Stony Silence. But either one or the other makes sense. (Heads up: I play both in my Thrasios Tymna Hulk list!)
I don't think your list is bad and I've seen lists very similar to it, you just have some interesting exclusions that don't really make sense to not run in a competitive meta. I think your deck would be very good at most LGSs and I think it can win sometimes at competitive groups, but lack of Rule of Law type effects would mean you have no real way to stop things like Food Chain Tazri. I see some of the cards are in your sideboard but in cEDH those are mainboard cards. And if Food Chain combos aren't a thing in your groups such that you don't need to mainboard them... might indicate something...
But if you think your list is that good and everyone else is wrong, go prove people wrong in the next cEDH Cockatrice tournament.
The thing is, your deck is mostly fine except not mainboarding Rule of Law effects, creature-cheating hate and mass artifact hate but... honestly the single best way I see that deck being upgraded for a more competitive meta would be to make Captain Sisay the commander. Lol.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
I'm gonna go on a little "card vomit" here, so if I apologize if I repeat anything I didn't see that's already in your deck. Unwinding Clock, Darksteel Forge, Kuldotha Forgemaster, Silas Renn, Seeker Adept, Arcum Dagsson, Filigree Angel, Master Transmuter, Indomitable Archangel, Leonin Abunas, Muzzio, Visionary Architect, Steel Overseer, Tezzeret the Seeker , Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas, Inventors' Fair, Time Sieve (goes great with Thopter Assembly, cough, cough, infinite turns), Krark-Clan Ironworks, Ethersworn Canonist, Marionette Master, Metalworker, Mirrorworks, Academy Ruins, Glimmervoid, Sculpting Steel, Phyrexian Metamorph, Tezzeret the Schemer, Tezzeret, Master of Metal, and Tempered Steel are all nice cards for any artifact deck.
Well, that's all I really have to say for the moment. Hope this wall of text I just typed helped, and good luck with your first EDH deck.
4 weeks ago
Poptartz95: Thank you kindly!! :)
1 month ago
I really like your list and your description is definitely a big aid for me as well.
I am currently tunning my own Breya list, which you can see below, and all insights are beyond valuable for me to be able to filter through which cards are needed and which can be upgraded.
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In your deck a card like Muddle the Mixture could definitely do a lot of work. More than a counterspell, it is an additional way to get something like Nim Deathmantle, Ethersworn Canonist, even Demonic Tutor to get anything else you might want or the next card I'm about to suggest.
Cyclonic Rift is currently at its lowest in a while, and it is a staple in pretty much any blue EDH deck. I strongly recommend its inclusion, and the best time to get a copy is soon really.
Well deserved upvote anyway!
1 month ago
Hey thanks for the advice, I'll try to break down what was brought
Kaya, Ghost Assassin was a test card, looking at some of the card draw options, this was one with very little downside. As well, it has a sort of "flicker" effect for creatures with ETB effects. So far, it has been doing fairly well actually. If I find something else to put in, Kaya might come out.
Eldrazi Monument. Provides indestructible to the team, not just flying. Meaning with the Giant, I can't be damaged. Agreed, it doesn't provide ALOT of effects, but it is also another form of evasion.
Key to the City sIs a bit of a political card. I can feed my own reanimation. There are times where I've used it on my enemies to help them get in for more damage. Maybe I might find something better, but making things unblockable isn't always bad
Rule of Law One thing I have noticed, is that alot of people try to "rebuild" after a board wipe and things like that. RoL stops alot of decks that try to rebuild, OR storm decks or decks that just play lots of things. I considered the Ethersworn Canonist, since it is a creature, lower CMC ect. Problem is, if I'm up against something like Sharuum deck or Breya, they can pretty much cast everything. I do know it is powerful, but perhaps it should be reconsidered
Possibility Storm This is one card I am likely to remove. Not sure what to go in quite yet.
Cathars' Crusade was used in place of Anafenza. Reason being is because with some of the tokens, Anafenza wouldn't trigger off of the tokens. Crusade would also help with getting my creatures bigger and maybe help to kill people.
Behind the Scenes Was used for the evasion, since alot of the deck is like 2 power creatures, I'd likely get in for some damage, but agreed, not the "Best" card for the deck
Aura of Silence With some of the more casual people I sometimes play against, I have stopped a player from playing their Grim Monolith. As well, it IS also used for the removal, but its not a "Leave mana open to do it" sort of thing, which was the reason it was in. Not to mention the actual "taxing" part of it too.
Angel of Invention is a token generator that, if something happens, this can help me to bring in some blockers if I fall behind. Really fun thing I did was have Cathar's Crusade out and played this and got a 5/4 and two 4/4s. Was quite good. Plus it has lifelink so it can be helpful if anything
Anger There are times where having haste was good to have, like using Anger and getting Alesha out and attacking the same turn if I don't have another way to give haste. Is it needed all the time? No. But is it better than needing Boots or something else? Possibly.
Duplicant Primarily used as a "cheat" rather than a straight up cast. As well, compared to something like Nekrataal or Bone Shredder, its not limited by anything. Could something better go in, possibly.
Erebos, God of the Dead Used mostly for the draw, agreed. However, with cards like Karlov of the Ghost Council or Oloro, Ageless Ascetic for example, even Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, this shuts them down. There have been decks that run Aetherflux Reservoir, this hoses that.
Iroas, God of Victory Mostly used for the protection to attack and evasion so if they could, Alesha wouldn't die.
Palisade Giant Has actually saved me quite a bit. protects my creatures but also protects me if an opponent tries to all out kill me and forget about him.
Silent Arbiter Fun interaction with Alesha, since they could only block with one creature, Alesha was likely to get in, or the unblocked creature gets in at least.
Stingscourger was likely to come out. Havent decided what is going in instead of it.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan is indeed a sac outlet, but it can make itself indestructible if a wipe happens. So its also self protection.
Return to Dust Used to get rid of anything nasty. One thing that is ALWAYS an issue is the Gods. Purphoros, God of the Forge in a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher is vomit inducing. Return to dust is one of the many ways I know to get rid of them.
Blasphemous Act currently, Act is usually a 1 mana board wipe. As well, Deluge would be alot better if i had a way to gain life, but as of now, not alot of ways to do so.
Merciless Eviction Another way to deal with "indestructible" things. On top of that, Atraxa, Praetors' Voice Superfriend is the most ANNOYING thing I can deal with. There's not alot of ways to get rid of Planeswalkers, other than direct damage or making them sac them.
Pia and Kiran Nalaar Flying blocker primarily. Early or late game, gives me access to blockers in the air that I normally dont have access to.
To the "auto includes"
Dark Confidant Not going to lie, I've been back and forth on him. Free draw in exchange for life is fine. But I feel as though I might end up flipping a 6 mana guy and killing myself. If I run him, I likely want lifelink
Imperial Recruiter As much as I'd love to justify a 200$+ card, I cant. Recruiter of the Guard, while less powerful or impactful, does close to the same thing. The deck is usually full of 2/2's and what not so that is why Recruiter is in. Plus, you know, saving 185$ XD
Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit Originally in the build, I felt Crusade and Anafenza were sort of at ends with each other. Having two copies that do similar things isn't bad, but one triggers off of tokens and one doesn't. In that sense, I swapped them out for each other.
Necropotence is a card I also highly considered, especially since its pretty cheap now. Problem I have is that if I discard stuff, like a creature for reanimate, Potence gets rid of it.
Stranglehold There isn't alot of "extra turn" players where I live, so I didn't think it to be important.
As for land base, not sure what you mean. Realistically, I can't afford the Filter lands or the OG Duals. Those are literally unrealistic for me. The mana base seems to be doing fine. I like the Temples cause they help me fix my top card. Could the bounce lands come out? Sure. But I don't have anything as effective to put in for them. I'm open to suggestions though.
In conclusion, I feel as though I am not focused, or not focusing correctly. Right now, I have a "Death and Taxes", "Reanimator", "Combo" like deck. I feel like I really need to sit down and decide what I want as a player. Do I want Tier 1 deck? Not really. Do I want a deck that is strong? Sure. Do I want a deck that I pull out and people go "Oh he's playing that! Kill him!". Thats why I pulled Hokori, Dust Drinker, it was "too" strong and got me hated out really quickly.
Death and Taxes was my "evasion" to a stax deck. I don't like when people can't play anything and are just sitting there with their thumb up their @$$, waiting for someone to win. This says" You want to do something? Do something extra". I feel as though I either need to go less of the combo route and more reanimator, or scratch D&T's all together (which sucks cause I spent quite a bit for Alesha already -_-)