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White Sun's Zenith
Put X 2/2 Cat creature tokens onto the battlefield. Shuffle White Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
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White Sun's Zenith Discussion
2 weeks ago
I really like your recommendation of Cathars' Crusade . The thing is a powerhouse and I think I repressed the memory of it because I had a friend who always beat me using it.
Have fun and Multiply on!
1 month ago
1 month ago
I wanted to take this time to go over every card I think that will play a role in the EDH format from War of the Spark.
I will grade cards based on how many colors they require, how useful they are in how many decks, and will note where and why each could see EDH play.
Because there are 36 different planeswalkers, I think the planeswalkers are the proper place to start with this list.
The first ones I want to go over are the rare and mythic planeswalkers that will see play like the normal planeswalkers; value engines:
Liliana, Dreadhorde General - 9/10 - This card is a really good engine at 6 CMC in black. It has serious tribal synergies, aristocrats synergies, hits each player on the -4 (which draws you cards), and feels like a better Elspeth, Sun's Champion for black. It is worth it in most 75% black lists and any casual deck that can afford it.
Nissa, Who Shakes the World - 7/10 - Mono-green card? two color decks can use it too, but seriously a powerhouse. Mana doublers are always nice, and while green is perhaps already the best at ramp and so may not need it, but it does also untap a land per turn giving you ~2 additional mana, and the ultimate is insane. The issue with it as a mana doubler is that, being a planeswalker it can just die. It does, however protect itself. Seems possibly great, but probably just another really strong green ramp 5 drop.
Jace. Wielder of Mysteries - 7/10 - This card appears to be a normal Jace Phyrexian Arena effect for most mono-blue decks, but can be really strong givne you are a blue-black deck. If you can afford triple , I think using it with Demonic Consultation , naming a card outside of your deck so you exile your deck, then draw a card with Jace's +1, winning the game. It is a cheeky combo, but I see this card perhaps using it to win some number of games.
Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God - 6/10 - I know I am not super high on this card, but that mana cost is really the issue. Otherwise, it is a great walker once it hits, giving you huge card advantage, 4 cards in your favor with each opponent exiling and you drawing, and the static gives you a lot of advantage in a planeswalker deck or against them. It has removal, it has a lot. The ultimate seems... weak? Not bad, however.
Ugin, the Ineffable - 6/10 - Great walker for colorless decks. So far all of the colorless walkers has been good before, but they have been good outside of just colorless decks, however, I don't think that makes this bad.
Tamiyo, Collector of Tales - 5/10 - 2 colors makes this worse, and being singleton the +1 isn't great, but the static ability makes up for that a lot, giving it serious value. The +1 is self-mill, so you need a deck that can abuse that to get true mileage out of it. Even without, the -3 is Regrowth and I think is very strong. It feels about right for the mana cost, but need to be in a self-mill deck, or needs to be in a metagame wiht a lot of discard/sacrifice effects running around.
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds - 5/10 Green walker that draws you a card a couple of times maybe and has some flash use. It doesn't seem bad, but not something particularly powerful outside of green lists that need more card advantage or selection.
Chandra, Fire Artisan - 4/10 Red Chandra with card advantage. Static and ultimate seem medium. Not much better in many ways than the enchantment varients on this.
The more specific walkers that need a specific strategy are listed here. I rated them out of ten, only for decks in which they fit, like lifegain for Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord .
Saheeli, Sublime Artificer - 9/10 - Stellar card for artifact decks with the loyalty ability. It works with numerous other archetypes, however, token strategies like Brudiclad, spellslinger decks that storm off and now have a token army to back it up, etc. It works in walker decks and protects walkers whenever you cast more. It is just really strong for its cost, which is very versatile.
Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge - 7/10 - A
Ajani, the Greathearted - 5/10 - Good in some W/G walker decks or some +1/+1 counter lists? Bad +1 makes this medium, and you can only use the -2 twice... Still strong as effects go and low cost.
Gideon Blackblade - 5/10 - A white-weenie aggro card that gets around your own sweepers, protects other creatures, and is really good with the -6 as well. Lifegain and other combat tricks aren't bad on this either.
Ral, Storm Conduit - 5/10 - A storm combo card, that has some value effects. It doubles spells and could be strong in some spellslinger lists.
Ob Nixilis,the Hate-Twisted - 4/10 - Good walker for Nekusar, not gonna see play much outside of that.
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord - 4/10 - Mass lifegain anthem effect, some targetted damage, and reanimation makes this pretty strong.
Sarkhan the Masterless - 4/10 - Good for dragon decks? Not really great in them, but can see play there.
Domri, Anarch of Bolas - 4/10 - REamp, anti-counter, and anthem effect. Not bad.
Here are the hate-planeswalkers, cards that aren't value engines, but reall like hate enchantments.
Narset, Parter of Veils - 10/10 - Not even bluffing, an effect like Notion Thief or Leovold that doesn't die to creature removal, this is mono-blue, gives you card advantage, and has a high loyalty for its mana cost. It could be really scary with Windfall effects.
Karn, the Great Creator - Becasue sideboards aren't allowed if a single player in the pod doesn't allow them I won't be going indepth with the Mycosynth Lattice combo. Liquimetal Coating is another combo that llows you to destroy lands with the +1, and can kill 0-mana artifacts. It is pretty powerful as a one-sided Null Rod too. Great anti-artifact card.
Ashiok, Dream Render - 7/10 - Anti-graveyards, self-mill or opponent mill, and anti-search? This card hates on a ton of really powerful effects, and is entirely one-sided.
Dovin, Hand of Control - 5/10 - Not a great stax-piece, but technically one. Feels anti-storm. Had benefits against voltron as well.
Teyo, the Shieldmage - 3/10 - You have hexproof, protects itself a bit, great in a deck that uses walls however.
Outside of walkers, there are a ton of other great cards, I will go over the following in sets of cards:
Blast Zone - 10/10 - Perhaps the best card in the set, there are extremely few decks I wouldn't put this in. It is a land that can hit any non-token, nonland, non-0-CMC permanent given some time, enters untapped, and taps for mana too, unlike Maze of Ith or other effects I'd argue are almost worse.
Emergence Zone - 7/10 - Bad flash enabler, but colorless and to all effects, beating Winding Canyon by enabling non-creatures. Enters untapped, for mono-colored decks that want this effect, no reason (mostly) not to run it and not bad.
Karn's Bastion - 6/10 - Needs to be in an infect, +1/+1 counter, or planeswalker deck, but it can do work. Sadly in a deck like Atraxa, I don't think it'd be great since colorless mana is hard to run in the landbase. Still good in numerous decks.
Interplanar Beacon - 4/10 - Strong for some walker lists, that is about it.
Mobilized District - 3/10 - Basically just a wall for some walker decks. If it gets to be free or 1 mana and becomes pretty worth it.
Bolas's Citadel - 10/10 - A huge engine, hard to cast, can fail with double land, but just wins games. Few black decks would miss this in the 75% or casual circles. Like a free-cast Ad Nauseam forever. Comboes with both of Sensei's Divining Top 's abilities.
Vivien's Arkbow - 7/10 - It lets you discard bad cards to hit creatures when you are losing steam and have tons of mana. Really powerful.
Parhelion II - 5/10 - I don't care that this isn't good... look at it...
Oh god I love this. Angellic Helicarrier of DOOOM!!!! <3
BTW the other 2 are bad in EDH
God-Eternal Bontu - 5/10 - Great in Aristocrats, can be really strong for draw, is really hard to kill.
God-Eternal Oketra - 5/10 - Great in some white decks like Karametra, would be a sweet commander with effects like Whitemane Lion , Kor Skyfisher , Stonecloaker , etc. to trigger her a ton of times. Sweet with Odric, Lunarch Marshal , with a token and her out all of your creatures gain doublestrike and vigilance!
God-Eternal Kefnet - 4/10 - Not sure where this fits? It is card advantage, and could work in some decks that draw on opponents' turns? I am not thinking this is a great card. Good Body and is pretty strong with the god invulnerability effect.
God-Eternal Rhonas - 4/10 - Green five-drops are often better than this. Not bad, just kind of not a strong ability. Good with other anthem effects as a finisher if you have some trample enabler.
Finale of Devastation - 9/10 - Reanimate and tutor a creature to the field? This seems incredible. Green Sun's Zenith that also reanimates a card is huge! Also, like instant win if you use it at x=10+
Finale of Promise - 7/10 - Also really strong, this card seems to be for spellslinging. Requires instants and sorceries to double up on freecasting, but is still good.
Finale of Glory - 6/10 - Big White Sun's Zenith at sorcery speed with huge benefit at x=10+. Seems strong? I can't say taht the vigilance on the tokens are bad, but being a sorcery it isn't hard to sweep.
The following cards are not part of a cycle:
Liliana's Triumph - 8/10 - A great removal spell that doesn't target creatures, players, and is instant speed. It is 2 mana, splashable, and gets around indestructible. If you run Lilianas, that is just gravy on top.
The Elderspell - 7/10 - Anti-walker, really good at what it does, and can be used in conjunction with other walkers to hit a fast ultimate!
Narset's Reversal - 7/10 - Just a strong counterspell option, that acts like a Remand or Venser, Shaper Savant with different upsides. Really strong because it gets around "can't be countered" cards, and copies really game-ending x-spells while bouncing them back at the same time. I expect tons of 2-for-1s with this.
Dovin's Veto - 7/10 - Better Negate at the cost of an additional color in its cost. Really strong, and will see tons of play IMO. U/W control variants will take this card and run it over other control decks for some serious power.
Deliver Unto Evil - 7/10 - Strong political card, godly with a Nicol Bolas walker. Feels like it could be breakable, but I don't know how yet.
Neoform - 7/10 - Strong tutor like Eldritch Evolution , doesn't exile itself, adds a +1/+1 counter, etc. I see it with +1/+1 counter decks, or just Simic Creature lists in general I imagine fetching Eternal Witness then recurring this then sacrificing E-Wit will become a common playline to go from 2 drop to 4 drop.
Ignite the Beacon - 6/10 - Walker decks will use this to great effect, but it just seems powerful for some non-walker decks that have a few. Instant speed I really think makes it good for control decks holding up mana for countermagic.
Single Combat - 6/10 - Really good sweeper in white, a color with a ton of really good sweepers, but still, it is strong and will go into a lot of white lists. Don't underestimate this in decks with 0 or just a few walkers/creatures, it gives you turns on many opponents.
Dreadhorde Invasion - 6/10 - Good in zombie tribal, otherwise on its own it seems... weak? It isn't bad, and as a value engine has potential in token and +1/+1 counter strategies, as well as just lists that want chump blockers each turn. Worse Bitterblossom for many decks. Where it shines in in combos with sacrifice outlets and Contamination !
Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin - 6/10 - New Krenko that isn't broken, but is less maan and is a great addition to any goblin deck, while making tokens? Sign me up! The flavor is dripping on this card, and it is a really good tribute to the Mob Boss himself.
Solar Blaze - 5/10 - Not exactly much better than Day of Judgment , and even Deafenning Clarion may be better in some decks, but for decks, with specifically higher toughness than power it can be a one-sided sweeper!
Massacre Girl - 5/10 - Black sweeper, good with big demons? I can't see this being insane, or even a big commander, but could make for a fun control commander, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this in flicker lists.
Domri's Ambush - 4/10 - +1/+1 counter, one-sided fight, hits walkers, instant speed? Seems strong as a budget removal spell in Gruul, but has capabilities in many other lists as a real piece.
Kasmina's Transmutation - 4/10 - Anti-commander enchantment, but unlike Darksteel Mutation , which doesn't leave chump-blocking on the table to kill it off, or even most removal spells, this one doesn't have that bonus. Good in budget blue decks, and will probably see a lot of EDH play in casual circles.
Arboreal Grazer - 4/10 - Strong in decks like Tatyova, Benthic Druid , big land-ramp decks or land-matters for it's 1 cmc effect. Chump duty after. Doesn't seem bad.
Dreadhorde Arcanist - 3/10 - Requires pump effects, self-mill, or a spell-slinging deck, and a lot of setup, and can be blocked without too much difficulty, but does have some power. Not sure where it fits.
This will be updated with ~30 more really cool cards from War of the Spark!
1 month ago
Thanks! Glad you like it!
You could possibly replace Overrun or Overwhelming Stampede with Craterhoof and Triumph since they’re strictly better unless you just want redundancy in your trampling. Precinct Captain and Geist-Honored Monk aren’t our best token producers and could probably be swapped out for the doublers.
I’m in the middle of cutting some things for cards in the Maybeboard. I’ve already cut Lifecrafter's Bestiary and Oketra's Monument since this deck doesn’t rely on playing tons of creature cards. There’s only about 20 creatures which is pretty low for a green deck. In that light you might also cut Prowling Serpopard depending on how much counter magic you run into.
Ajani, Caller of the Pride is the weakest planeswalker and is really only good to burst into cat tokens 4 turns after you play him. You might not miss him if you’re running Craterhoof, and White Sun's Zenith takes care of creating lots of cats.
Let me know how it plays once you build it!
1 month ago
Hey, saw your deck in the help section, but it appears now you've removed the help indicator. If you no longer want help then just ignore my cards suggestions. If you do want help here's some budget cards ($5 or less each) to consider adding:
- Caves of Koilos
- Tainted Field
- Ash Barrens
- Esper Panorama
- Luminarch Ascension
- Oketra's Monument
- Zulaport Cutthroat
- Pearl Medallion
- Soul Warden
- Soul's Attendant
- Viscera Seer
- Carrion Feeder
- Authority of the Consuls
- Ashnod's Altar
- Suture Priest
- Smothering Tithe
- Requiem Angel
- Crested Sunmare
- Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder
- Pawn of Ulamog
- Dawn of Hope
- Hidden Stockpile
- Secure the Wastes
- White Sun's Zenith
- Lingering Souls
- Gilded Lotus
- Read the Bones
- Day of Judgment
If you like some of these suggestions I offer help to make cuts. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Yeah, it's the worst. I always overload my decks with fun stuff, and then I don't want to take anything out XD
I guess I would say White Sun's Zenith , Reef Worm , Dragon Throne of Tarkir , or Auriok Windwalker . The first three are slow/mana intensive, Windwalker just because you have several of that effect and most of your equip costs aren't that high. Though redundancy is good in edh, so he'd probably be the last I take out.
2 months ago
Added White Sun's Zenith to maybeboard. I have Two board wipes and sever spot removals. not sure if its worth adding more...
2 months ago
Love the deck - been wanting to make a similar one for a while. accordianing suggestions to avoid filling the page.
Roc Egg - double dips as well, making multiple 3/3 flying tokens when it dies with your general on the field.
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad - pumps out lifelinkers, pumps out emblems. double win.
Hallowed Spiritkeeper - the bigger the graveyard, the bigger the swarm
Anointed Procession - Double up on tokens. works with Treasure & Clue tokens too
Wurmcoil Engine - double dips into a on death trigger
Hangarback Walker - double dips into, you guessed it, a death trigger. sensing a theme in my suggestions...
Pitiless Plunderer - gives treasure tokens on you creature's death.
Revel in Riches - gives treasure tokens on enemy creature's death, and an alternate win con
Sacred Mesa - also triggers a sac proc each turn you keep it around
Hidden Stockpile - a sac outlet that grants creatures.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion - pumps out tokens 3 at a time, or wide down the fatties. or both.
Twilight Drover - make tokens when tokens die. the cycle continues.
Custodi Soulbinders - makes tokens based on how many creatures were in play.
White Sun's Zenith - EoT mana dump for all the tokens. follow up with general cast, swing.
Entrapment Maneuver - force a solo attacker to die, makes tokens. handy little overlooked combat trick.
Lingering Souls - kind of a staple of Orzhov spirits, was kinda supprised not to see it.
Luminarch Ascension - stall to make stupidly cheap angels.
Shadows of the Past - lets you dig quickly through your deck with aenough death effects. doubles as a recurable life drain effect once your yard is deep enough
Sangromancer - death is life. who knew?
Bloodchief Ascension starts out small, but starts draining hard once it gets rolling.
Vampiric Rites is a solid, cheap card draw engine for tokens.
Thallid Soothsayer is it's legged, slightly more expensive brother (no life gain, but no black mana cost. more expensive, but has legs. bit of give and take, really)
Seraph of the Scales - this card is solid, if not amazing, so I was rather suprised to not see it here.
Yosei, the Morning Star - either lock down 2 opponents for a turn, or one opponenet for 2 turns. either way is a solid win.
Archon of Justice - exile a threat on death. simple enough.
Ashen Rider - triggers coming and going, but kinda pricey mana wise. worth looking at if nothing else.
Kokusho, the Evening Star - drain ALL THE THINGS!
Solemn Simulacrum - goes in most decks, didn't see it here so I figured I'd mention it.
Vindictive Lich - gives alot of options for a single death effect.
White Sun's Zenith occurrence in decks from the last year
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