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If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
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Laboratory Maniac Discussion
1 minute ago
Ch0ppah: glad my advice helped because I found that in edh control decks tend to need combo finishers in the Aminatou, the Fateshifter contol deck I used to run I had an infinite mana into profane command combo or when I ran Varina, Lich Queen I used Laboratory Maniac as an alternate in drawing my library. I will admit I love seeing Teferi, Time Raveler in this deck as it lets you get your commander back to hand so you can reuse your etb trigger.
2 hours ago
I found your response of calling card selections "cute" to be incredibly patronizing. You'll have to forgive my terse tone if you truly weren't trying to patronize me, but regardless, you have as much time as you need between postings to look at your deck and the suggestions. If you are truly a competitive player and this is truly a competitive deck, people should not have to spoon feed you the reasoning as to why a card works with 8% of the cards you run (I didn't even include the mediocre synergy Seat has with Sai, Master Thopterist or Fabricate ). You have to consciously put every card into the list, so they were all intentional choices you made. You should have familiarity with the cards you run, especially if you claim this to be a competitive deck. You should also have familiarity with competitive concepts, like removal that requires 2 turns and 2 mana to work is far worse than removal that requires 1 mana to work at instant speed (why run Legacy's Allure before Pongify or Rapid Hybridization ? They are both less conditional and cheaper).
A close reading of my earlier comment will also show I only had a strong tone towards the card choices and deck building ideas, not at a person. Also quick shout out to all the people swearing at me and calling me a douche, the bad card suggestions, lack of card suggestions, and ad hominems have been pivotal to the development of this list. I'm not gaining anything from writing paragraphs explaining easy includes for YOUR list, so if you want to keep flinging mud I'll simply leave you to it. If you want to talk cards, put on your big boy pants, realize that you can make an ignorant or bad card choice without being an ignorant or bad person, and lets talk winning.
Mind Over Matter is expensive to cast, and combos out with tap to draw permanents, which this list doesn't run. It's been ignored by cEDH due to the massive color cost requirement + CMC and how weak the combo pieces are outside of combo.
Riddlesmith could have value, but this list doesn't have the artifact density required. It also does absolutely nothing by itself, meaning it has no value without other pieces to make it go. Relatively weak card and any loot effect for 1 or 2 cmc will outperform in a fast format like cEDH.
Time Spiral is also mostly ignored because it doesn't generate the value you want. It isn't reusable like Timetwister , so it doesn't generate value with looping as a wincon. It requires 6 mana to cast, and you're only getting 6 untaps with 6 lands in play, meaning turn 6 as the earliest (read: 3 turns after someone else has won). Even with 3 mana and getting 3 mana back (so it effectively costs 3), it has a high initial cost which means it will sit in hand without being used, while Timetwister could be used earlier. Hits for a lot off Ad Naus and Dark Confidant , which are format staples. Mediocre replacement for twister, but you'd be better off running another 1 2 or 3 cmc draw piece that isn't already used, Sleight of Hand comes to mind for this list.
Precognition Field does the same thing as Urza but allows you to peek top of library. Just like Future Sight , the slot is literally wasted with this commander, because you don't need another infinite mana outlet. If you need help getting to your infinite mana combo pieces, you should run more tutor and draw, not a slow and expensive top of deck value engine.
Cephalid Coliseum is usually ignored because of how unreliable threshold is. Timetwister resets it, and GY hate is very common. Its a painful non-island island in the vast majority of games, and generates land disadvantage when you can use it. Coliseum has its place though; it's very useful in Doomsday decks as a low opportunity cost pile cracker and sifter, but is still sometimes passed over in those lists because of the cost of Doomsday. It can also be used in decks that run Laboratory Maniac as a way to draw on an empty library, but most ignore Coliseum because they achieve no cards in library by drawing the deck, which means they will almost definitely have a draw card they can play that isn't dependent on a land drop. Also Coliseum gets caught by all the non-basic land hate that sees play.
I also have one more suggestion. Baral, Chief of Compliance has more value in this list than Etherium Sculptor . You run a total of 32 instants and sorceries, 15 of them which can be cost reduced (the 32 matters in case opponents play a tax effect). Meanwhile, of the 21 artifacts you play, only 15 of them can be cost reduced due to the amount of 0 cost rocks. Baral also generates value on the ridiculously large amount of counterspells you run though, which makes it a more worthwhile include. If you do decide to up artifact density (and include Mishra's Workshop , which you should due to playing under Trinisphere and orb effects anyways), then sculptor may end up being the better slot.
You also really don't need future sight in your infinite lines. Voltaic Key can replace it in the Paradox Engine line, and the other line is weak anyways because its creature based (easiest permanent type to remove). Voltaic Key untaps Sensei's Divining Top while top trigger is on stack, and use Top again. Sensei's draws a card, then goes to top of library on first trigger, then draws itself on second. Assuming you have 2+ mana in rocks you break parity, on 3+ you generate positive mana. You can do a similar thing with Rings of Brighthearth and Sensei's Top, plus Brighthearth combos with both the monoliths, so it serves as a second B for the A + B of Power Artifact and Monoliths.
3 hours ago
I am unsure of your budget, however, you should consider Grim Monolith + Power Artifact as an additional line to generate infinite colorless mana. You may also want to consider running Jace, Wielder of Mysteries as a secondary Laboratory Maniac that is a little harder to remove. With such a low CMC, your land count seems like you could cut 1 or 2. You may also want to consider Chrome Mox & Mox Amber as well just to get. Hope this helps you!
5 hours ago
10 hours ago
Have you considered Laboratory Maniac for a backup if you cannot pull out the Jace?
15 hours ago
As you can see Laboratory Maniac is already in the maybeboard for this exact reason. He seems to be hard to find though. Instead i am probably going to use the new Jace, Wielder of Mysteries as it does the same thing and can get me some more card draw, which might be highly overkill in this deck.
1 day ago
If we're not winning I would rather have Capsize inside my deck instead of Aetherflux Reservoir . Both will do the job if we are winning. But what if we're not winning? This can also be said about Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries . I guess you could play jace he draws cards at least. You could replace capzise with jace for sure. Or you can build this in a lot of different ways I guess. This is how I would do it. Just like how many here have explained really good!
I don't personally like timetwister.
once you have infinit mana you bounce the entire opponents board and generate infinite tokens. Have Trinisphere in play. Pass turn your opponent will drop on land, have to pay to do anything. They can't do anything at this point. Your turn and you win.
2 days ago
Cover of Darkness is a good tribal evasion-giver.
I highly suggest some sort of top-deck manipulation. Unfortunately, a lot of the best cards in this arena are very expensive: Jace, the Mind Sculptor , Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack all cost a pretty penny. Soothsaying is another good option, as it lets you stack heavy CMC cards on top of the deck to hit opponents more reliably.
You should consider the new ninja they spoiled today: Fallen Shinobi. I think it'll be pretty good.
I think Demonic Tutor is better than Insidious Dreams . I think you should run it if you have access to it. Lim-Dul's Vault is a good sort of tutor, is more affordable, and also allows you to stack your deck with high mana-cost cards to flip off your general.
Commandeer is a good piece of disruption with a high CMC. It's still about $20 though.
Windfall is a good way to refill your hand.
Bolas's Citadel is a good way to get cheaper cards off the top of your deck. Also, if you combo it with the aforementioned Sensei's Divining Top , you can clear annoying lands off the top of your library.
I don't think you should run 36 lands. Cutting 2 or 3 is very much on the table.
Augury Owl should be mainboard. You can play it, scry something big to the top, attack with it the next turn and then ninjutsu out your general to flip the fatty.
Baleful Strix is a good creature you can return with a ninja. When it enters it draws a card, so being able to repeatedly cast it will give you a lot of card advantage. Looter il-Kor and Cloud of Faeries are also good two-drops to be running, as they are difficult to block and provide extra value.
Twilight Prophet is a good card, as it draws extra and works within your decks theme.
Curtains' Call is a good, cost-reducing creature that can two-for-one your opponents.
Morphic Pool is a good dual land.
Good luck with deck building!
Laboratory Maniac occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
U/R (Izzet): 0.74%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.33%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.62%