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Mana Drain Discussion
4 days ago
I would recommend removing all your creatures Jhoira's Familiar, Goblin Welder, Etherium Sculptor, and Foundry Inspector. You should also add more of all said creatures. I would take out Akroma's Memorial, Act of Treason, and Tectonic Instability. For lands, I would add Inventors' Fair, and Buried Ruin. Also Strip Mine and Wasteland is always good. I would recommend having a better counter spell than Essence Scatter, but I don't know what format your in, so i'll just suggest the best ones. Force of Will is very good, and so is Mana Drain. Overall, I would add White, and define a win con.
5 days ago
Hey Aaerys, I used to run a Sen Triplets EDH deck also back in the day. Here is some insight which I hope you will find hopeful.
A couple questions, what is the budget are you working with? What is your main goal when you play with this deck? (Is it to control the game, deny resources, or stall until you combo?) What is the your playgroup level like?
Based on what you said your issues were while playing the deck, off the top of my head is to run more tutors, i.e. Demonic Tutor, Beseech the Queen, Vampiric Tutor (As you listed in your side board), Imperial Seal. You are in Esper colors which allows for optimal control of the boardstate.
To also answer your question you posted in your deck description, I would agree in turning it to a more control piece shell with more interaction. Cut out all unnecessary dead cards and add in cards such as Path to Exile, Delay, Mana Drain, Flusterstorm, Silence, Pact of Negation, Force of Will, Chain of Vapor, Mental Misstep, Swan Song. Ramp package is also quite vital for a control Sen Triplet shell, you should run almost all efficient 2 cmc and less rocks.
Some cards for ramp, Dimir Signet, Orzhov Signet, Azorius Signet, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Lotus Petal, Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, if you have the budget Mox Diamond, Mox Opal, or Grim Monolith.
If you have any other questions to help refining deck, I'll be happy to help!
1 week ago
Hey, I saw that you were looking for advice and there are a couple things that I could recommend. I'll go over a couple things, but I'll start off with the manabase since you said it was the thing you were looking to change most. Also, it's a bit long, but it should help you for what kind of a manabase makes a competitive one.
First off, there are several good replacements for duals, first and foremost being shocks, but since it looks like you already have those looks like you're already half way there.
Basically I would focus on removing any and all lands that come in tapped, because if you want your deck to be competitive, you need to be sure that every turn you take is as optimized as possible. A turn where you could be doing two manas worth of stuff you are only doing 1 manas worth of stuff which essentially means you are playing a turn behind. It's a bit of a simplistic way of explaining it, but that is the best explanation why without going into too much detail. Other lands I would highly recommend, firstly, are the pain lands. These are very effective replacements as well. ( Sulfurous Springs, Underground River and Shivan Reef ) find homes in many competitive decklists you will find. The filter lands are pretty good replacements as well, as they get you the colors you need with added fixing. They only issue is that the t1 plays they provide can be kind of awkward, but should only be really taken into consideration the faster and faster your deck is; In your case they should be a good fit though! They are Sunken Ruins, Graven Cairns and Cascade Bluffs. Also, it may seem weird, but adding every kind of fetch that can even get you one of your colors effectively gives you access to all the colors you could need! You could run all 9 fetches besides Windswept Heath, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, though if you have to pick and chose I would focus on the ones that give you your most important color (blue) first. This goes the extra mile in truly "optimizing" your mana base, and over the long run it thins your deck and makes it more consistent.
All in all, the changes I would make would look something like this -Canyon Slough, -Crumbling Necropolis, -Grixis Panorama, -Path of Ancestry, -Smoldering Marsh -Sunken Hollow, -Temple of Deceit, -Temple of Epiphany, -Temple of the False God
and do this
+Sulfurous Springs, +Underground River, +Shivan Reef, +Sunken Ruins, +Graven Cairns, +Cascade Bluffs, +Cephalid Coliseum, also these are pretty good, but the worst of the bunch I've recommended, +River of Tears, +Tainted Isle, +Tainted Peak. Additionally Ancient Tomb is amazing as well, so I would recommend that as a long term investment too. (plus it goes in every edh deck ever so it's non-exclusive!).
Apart from lands, there are a couple of things that I think you could use to increase the consistency of your deck and some of the combos that you seem to be going for. Going over enchantment's first, as there is a short list, I would consider taking them all out personally. Search for Azcanta Flip is a more value oriented card popular in decks that try to attain long term value and want games to go long. Storm isn't quite looking for this, and for that, I think it doesn't do enough for what 2 mana will grant you especially if you are looking to "speed up" the deck. Very often competitive decks can't afford to play things that don't do anything right away, so even though the card is great, it needs to fit a certain role in a deck. I also think that Jace's Sanctum also comes to the "too slow" argument as well, but I think that if you are looking at least for a semi-competitive option, this is fine to keep in. Also for Thousand-Year Storm I have seen some discussion floating around in the competitive community that it could work really well as a win con in a similar oriented style deck, but the huge argument is paying 6 mana for a spell that doesn't do anything, or win you the game right away. Regardless, I think for what your deck has going thousand-year storm seems like it could prove well if it is working well for you.
Otherwise, there are just a couple of cards such as Jaya Ballard, and Docent of Perfection Flip that really stuck out to me. Personally, I don't think that the amount of mana they are is really worth the investment, and I would rather play cards that help setup the win. To go off this, I noticed that you were playing Isochron Scepter, so why not replace those other cards and play Dramatic Reversal which is a near 2 card combo with the scepter? To utilize this combo you would need to play more things that tap to give you mana, but adding mana rocks will make your deck faster and I would recommend adding more anyways. In general this combo is low investment, high reward because none of the cards that you play to make the combo work arn't progressing you towards your endgame anyways. For the mana rocks you could add, I would highly consider cards such as Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox which are the high profile options, but for leaning more on a budget any of the signets are also highly viable (Izzet Signet, Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet). In general this will increase the speed of your deck and make it more turbo charged. You won't find many competitive decks without these!
Lastly, I'd just like to briefly mention the best counterspells for competitive EDH. In general it is widely agreed upon that for combo decks in general, you want your counterspells to be as cheap and efficient as possible. Some of the most favored are Force of Will (i saw that you have that one), Pact of Negation, Flusterstorm, Delay, Mana Drain and Swan Song (also on the list). Secondarily, people do play Counterspell but it is often outclassed by the ones I mentioned prior. Also, there are other counterspells that people will play for more narrow purposes and should be played specifically for the meta you are expecting to play in. These are Negate, Mental Misstep, Spell Pierce(only for decks looking to win t2-t3 really),Arcane Denial, Remand etc... (here's a useful link if you want to know more: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/5k0tef/a_lexicon_of_cedh_counterspells_and_some/ )
In general I would cut the counters that are 3+ mana, because there are just better options out there if you go looking, and hopefully that page can give you some good insight for what counterspells are the right choice for you. And that will about wrap things up for me without going in too deep.
Yeah, so I could go over every card piece by piece, but that would probably be an entire article on it's own. It really because what makes a deck "competitive" is kind of an ambiguous term in the grand scheme of things. I'm not 100% sure every recommendation I make fits what you are looking for, so it's hard to analyze what cards are truly good/bad without sitting down and discussing it directly. Also, since there are legitimately several different version of a deck that 1 commander could hold, I think I'll just leave you with some resources that can further your cEDHing. Here are some of the competitive edh resources that I like to visit, and hopefully they can serve you well too!
also here is my Kess storm decklist if you want to take a look!: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nekusar-we-legacy-storm-now-cedh/
It's always good to have another person in the community, so I'm glad that your interest has been peaked! Hope to see you around and feel free to message me if you have any other questions!
2 weeks ago
ok so a few things to note.
if the deck isnt suited for cEDH, please don't falsely advertise it as competitive just because you have a Mana Crypt, cradle, and LED does not make it so. you need to update the categories and remove competitive so you dont mislead so many competitive players.
firstly, a cmc average of 3.78 is EXTREMELY high for competitive play even for green and even with ramp, infinite mana combos or Reanimate cheating, so you might want to lower that to at LEAST 2.75 or 3..
secondly, the main reason you're deck is 20% casual according to tappedout is your LANDS.
generally speaking, "'land' enters tapped" and competitive play are not related. if you wanted it 100% competitive your land base would look like this:
3 dual lands
3 shock dual lands
9 fetch lands
1 strip mine
1 command tower
1 ancient tomb
1 phyrexian tower
1 gaea's cradle
= 30 lands, you wouldn't need 35 lands with mana dorks or artifact ramp, and you shouldnt have 2 of any basic lands because in theory you should be running Tainted Pact for cedh and opposing effects hurt a lot more
all of that aside, i would recommend Birds of Paradise, Deathrite Shaman, Bloom Tender, as well as the 3 guild signets and Talisman of Dominance for more recurrable ramp effects as well as Sensei's Divining Top and Yawgmoth's Will as an edh brainstorm effect staple and a secondary, cheaper cmc and better backup muldrotha respectively.
2 weeks ago
The biggest resource depends on the state of the game. People have often skipped turns to slowly mill their opponents under a Stasis lock, while keeping their library nice and thick, having a serious advantage by not taking turns.
Life can occasionally be more important than a turn, if no matter what you do, you will lose on your next turn because they have some Avacyn, Angel of Hope or something in their deck, you are at a low life total and there is no out in your deck, you would rather have 100 life than a single turn.
Also, the question should be more tuned, as if you say counterspells aren't common in Commander, you haven't played against the well-tuned Thrasios/Tymna, Sidisi, Tasigur, Arcum, Jace, Teferi (either version), etc. lists in cEDH. The are some of your best interaction, from Mana Drain even gaining mana, to Pact of Negation, Force of Will, and Mental Misstep being the cheapest mana-wise interaction you can hope for, with minor exceptions being like Slaughter Pact.
If you mean casual EDH, then the issue it that extra turn spells take generally too much time, or break a social contract.
4 weeks ago
mightydwarf: Glad you like it! :)
I tried them, but...they didn't do enough when I was comboing off. It's just a numbers thing: if I'm drawing enough cards to win via Impact Tremors (ie ~40 cards), I have other ways to win in hand (eg an infinite combo, or Shared Animosity, or just swinging with all of my insects etc). And unlike those other wincons, these don't help me much unless I'm already close to winning?
Basically, I want my wincons to pull double duty, even when my commander isn't on the battlefield? Consider Isochron Scepter: when I don't have Dramatic Reversal, it can also act as a vicious source of control if I stick a Mana Drain under it, etc.
Hope that clarifies it :)
4 weeks ago
My commander deck right now is CVT Teferi, and it’s pretty darn close to tier 1, so I have some suggestions. Im assuming your taking suggestions since you have it tagged as needing help.
Force of will, ugin, static orb, cursed totem, BSZ, grim monolith, transmute/Power arti, rewind, mana vault/crypt, gilded lotus
1) What I would take out
A: Forbid is a good counterpell, but bad in this deck. You don’t want to empty your hand that much to get a non-free counterspell back to your hand. You definitely want a full hand.
B: Jace, Architect of Thought doesn’t do anything in your deck unless he ults, and he’s probably not going to in a competitive meta.
C: Everflowing Chalice is a decent ramp card, but it’s definitely not the best one, and the fact that it only turns on the CV combo of you play it T4 means it’s not super viable.
D: Paradox Engine. Amazing card, and I considered putting it in my deck, but CVT can win pretty easily without it, and engine only adds a small amount of synergy and combo to what is played in the deck to the point that I would rather play another stax piece.
F: Unwinding Clock doesn’t do a whole lot in the deck and doesn’t turn on the combo.
G: Mind Spring is better replaced with any instant speed draw x or any target player draw x
I: The creature teferi. Although he’s great against other counter decks, since CVT plays free counters and usually uses them to protect the combo, and creature teferi’s first ability is useless in the deck, and there aren’t a lot of competitive counter decks other than CVT out there, he’s not super good and it would be better to just play Dispel.
2) what I would put in
I’m not sure what your budget is so this might seem very overpriced.
B: Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is played in a lot of competitive CVT decks, because he basically locks down creature decks like sisay (board wipe the turn he comes down and bolt sisay whenever they try to play him)
G: Transmute Artifact allows you to go for the combo easily
H: Power Artifact goes infinite with basalt monolith or grim monolith.
I: Extraplanar Lens acts as a static high tide, ramping You whenever you play teferi.
J: Rewind is possibly a good counter choice as it allows you to leave only four mana up and be able to respond twice.
1 month ago
Let'st try this again!
I have some interesting tech.
FaiberJC to answer you:
I’m assuming we are on budget.
- Liliana of the Veil - no real replacement but not essential (swap for Fleshbag Marauder or Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip).
- Liliana, the Last Hope - as above
- Mana Drain - no real replacement. Not essential. Feel free to swap it with any CS you feel will be useful. I would just skip on it. (One as none.)
- Vampiric Tutor - nice replacement could be Mausoleum Secrets. As game progresses, it becomes more useful.
- Kindred Discovery - ESSENTIAL! No real replacement for power level and synergy. If you are trying this exact list ... maybe Phyrexian Arena. But, not even close on power level.
- Military Intelligence - Not essential. Anything that gives you card advantage really.
- Mana Crypt - Not essential.