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Spell Pierce Discussion
2 days ago
I really like your deck and admire your desire to make inexpensive edh decks. That being said I do believe there are some ways you could improve this deck without breaking the budget.
While you do have plenty of board wipe effects I notice that you only have a few single target removal spells. Board wipes are great but the problem is the fact that they are sorcery speed. The ability to react on your opponents turn is invaluable so I would highly recommend adding one or two more instant speed removal spells. Some notable ones would be
I also think there are some counterspell's you would be better off for running that are pretty cheap.
- Sinister Sabotage is basically a Cancel with upside and still pretty cheap.
- Rewind is almost free in the late game.
- Foil is a budget Force of Will that would fit great in your deck given your high island count.
- Arcane Denial is just a solid counter spell in EDH since it replaces itself and the advantage it gives your opponent is mitigated by the multiplayer format.
- I would also recommend running Forbid since you seem to draw so many cards but this one is a little more pricey.
The only other general improvement I would recommend would be try to add some dual lands. Even if they come into play tapped, dual lands do wonders to help a deck perform at its best. Some really budget ones I'd recommend are.
- Irrigated Farmland
- Azorius Chancery
- Boreal Shelf
- Coastal Tower
- Meandering River
- Prahv, Spires of Order
- Sejiri Refuge
- Tranquil Cove
I really do like your deck and what you have made so far, but I would like you to at least consider these options to further improve your deck.
4 days ago
Also i feel like Expansion / Explosion fits p well in this deck and work as a counter spell or draw, making it very versatile in any matchup.
6 days ago
Alright, your call. You don't have Spell Pierce in the deck at all right now.. Also, the bolt worry is a good one, but not everyone plays red. Maybe add it to the sideboard to improve consistency when you have the good matchup? Or sideboard it out when you see red.
6 days ago
Aaerys No problem!
Yes definitely keep the artifact synergy, honestly if you don't like the combo approach and want to go for the more interaction routes with fun things to play (like playing with other people's deck ;3) than I would suggest more protection, counterspells, artifact synergy, card draw, as well as interaction.
Here is a list of some additional cards that I found useful and within the $20 or less range.
These cards will make opponents less likely to hit you, or will at least slow them down enough for you to interact with them.
A couple more useful counters, best one I like to use for Sen Triplets is cards like Remand, Muddle (because the 2 cmc transmute comes in clutch), and Arcane Denial as it gives more options to choose from their hand.
Shimmer Myr and Raff Capashen are honestly auto include in my opinion, giving the ability to flash in your commander and not waiting to wait one whole turn before her upkeep effect is amazing, it also allows us to hold up mana to interact with other players before deciding what we can do. The curve is also great since Shimmer Myr is 3 cmc and Raff is 4 cmc, we can hold mana for our counterspells and interactions and if the coast is clear flash in Sen. Trophy Mage is for the redundancy that you have more than a likely chance of tutoring your Shimmer Myr or Crystal Shard (Shard always makes sure that your opponent will be reluctant to tap out and thus preventing them to cast more creature spells). Voltaic Key is there just for more fun shenanigans, I always like having them in these type of artifact decks. Academy Ruins is a card I would highly recommend investing into, it saves your artifacts, it allows recursion, and if the case where Sen dies, you won't have to consistently pay the tax for it with this card on the field.
On another note Paradox Engine is a powerful card, it allows you to gain extreme amount of value, hence the reason you would want to include more mana rocks into the deck. I added Aetherflux into list in the case you want to close out a game, since you are running Isochron Scepter already, adding in Dramatic Reversal will be your win con and also allows you to net infinite mana and play your opponents hand if you so would choose. The playstyle is all there for you to choose ;3
Some choice cards I like to use, Notion Thief is there for them really sneaky plays when there is a mass Windfall or if someone taps out for a burst draw. Sphinx is a high power card engine. The time warp is there for just pure value.
Some notable cards are like Snap, which untaps your land and bounces the creature back to their hand, pure value if its your turn next as now you will be able to cast that creature as well! Capsize is also a deadly card, as you can bounce their land and then play the land you bounced on your turn with Sen on the field, buyback is also killer (I have people scooped many times when I used this trick 1v1). Tower of Magistrate is really interesting against other people playing with artifacts (This auto de-quips voltron commanders!). A lot of these spells can also be copied on to Isochron Scepter making them extremely useful for you to control your opponent and allowing them what spells they can play, bouncing the spells you want to play from their deck, and removing the cards you don't like.
One more card which is a great mana rock.
Hopefully this gives you a better idea of a Control Sen Triplets shell, I think you can tell that this was one of my favorite decks before I retired her ;P
1 week ago
So as a fellow player of Renegade Freighter I'm happy to call this one of the coolest new takes on the idea for vehicles. The exalted really helps push damage through and you seem pretty capable of being a real threat even without vehicles. Mobile Garrison is also intersting as it help defend, but I feel as though it could be a dead card if you already have a Frieghter out and attacking, but whether you agree or not with that is fine.
However I'd say that you should think about Kami of False Hope or Holy Day instead of Fog in the sideboard as you seem to have more white than green mana sources. Additionally I would run either Natural State or Fragmentize over Caustic Caterpillar unless you want to keep the creature to help crew vehicles. Also I would consider a few other ideas:
Sideboard Change Reccomendations: 2 Holy Day or Kami of False Hope, 2 Fragmentize or Natural State, 2 Gods Willing or Benevolent Bodyguard or Apostle's Blessing, 3 Mana Leak or Dispell or Vapor Snag, 3 Spell Pierce, 3 Life Goes On,
Mana Leak is a good card, but if your using three colours you'll probably want to use as efficent spells as possible such as Dispell; and Vapor Snag is also a good way to stop irritating creatures and is a favorite of mine but Mana leak is still good so keep it if you like it. But mana efficency is also why I reccomend Apostle's Blessing as it can cast with any colour; and as a side note Benevolent Bodyguard can crew vehicles which is relevent, which is also applicable to my recomendation for Kami of False Hope.
I know this may seem like a lot of stuff to reccomend but I love your deck concept and I'd love to see it improve! Cheers and have fun out there!
1 week ago
1 week ago
Hey, I saw that you were looking for advice and there are a couple things that I could recommend. I'll go over a couple things, but I'll start off with the manabase since you said it was the thing you were looking to change most. Also, it's a bit long, but it should help you for what kind of a manabase makes a competitive one.
First off, there are several good replacements for duals, first and foremost being shocks, but since it looks like you already have those looks like you're already half way there.
Basically I would focus on removing any and all lands that come in tapped, because if you want your deck to be competitive, you need to be sure that every turn you take is as optimized as possible. A turn where you could be doing two manas worth of stuff you are only doing 1 manas worth of stuff which essentially means you are playing a turn behind. It's a bit of a simplistic way of explaining it, but that is the best explanation why without going into too much detail. Other lands I would highly recommend, firstly, are the pain lands. These are very effective replacements as well. ( Sulfurous Springs, Underground River and Shivan Reef ) find homes in many competitive decklists you will find. The filter lands are pretty good replacements as well, as they get you the colors you need with added fixing. They only issue is that the t1 plays they provide can be kind of awkward, but should only be really taken into consideration the faster and faster your deck is; In your case they should be a good fit though! They are Sunken Ruins, Graven Cairns and Cascade Bluffs. Also, it may seem weird, but adding every kind of fetch that can even get you one of your colors effectively gives you access to all the colors you could need! You could run all 9 fetches besides Windswept Heath, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, though if you have to pick and chose I would focus on the ones that give you your most important color (blue) first. This goes the extra mile in truly "optimizing" your mana base, and over the long run it thins your deck and makes it more consistent.
All in all, the changes I would make would look something like this -Canyon Slough, -Crumbling Necropolis, -Grixis Panorama, -Path of Ancestry, -Smoldering Marsh -Sunken Hollow, -Temple of Deceit, -Temple of Epiphany, -Temple of the False God
and do this
+Sulfurous Springs, +Underground River, +Shivan Reef, +Sunken Ruins, +Graven Cairns, +Cascade Bluffs, +Cephalid Coliseum, also these are pretty good, but the worst of the bunch I've recommended, +River of Tears, +Tainted Isle, +Tainted Peak. Additionally Ancient Tomb is amazing as well, so I would recommend that as a long term investment too. (plus it goes in every edh deck ever so it's non-exclusive!).
Apart from lands, there are a couple of things that I think you could use to increase the consistency of your deck and some of the combos that you seem to be going for. Going over enchantment's first, as there is a short list, I would consider taking them all out personally. Search for Azcanta Flip is a more value oriented card popular in decks that try to attain long term value and want games to go long. Storm isn't quite looking for this, and for that, I think it doesn't do enough for what 2 mana will grant you especially if you are looking to "speed up" the deck. Very often competitive decks can't afford to play things that don't do anything right away, so even though the card is great, it needs to fit a certain role in a deck. I also think that Jace's Sanctum also comes to the "too slow" argument as well, but I think that if you are looking at least for a semi-competitive option, this is fine to keep in. Also for Thousand-Year Storm I have seen some discussion floating around in the competitive community that it could work really well as a win con in a similar oriented style deck, but the huge argument is paying 6 mana for a spell that doesn't do anything, or win you the game right away. Regardless, I think for what your deck has going thousand-year storm seems like it could prove well if it is working well for you.
Otherwise, there are just a couple of cards such as Jaya Ballard, and Docent of Perfection Flip that really stuck out to me. Personally, I don't think that the amount of mana they are is really worth the investment, and I would rather play cards that help setup the win. To go off this, I noticed that you were playing Isochron Scepter, so why not replace those other cards and play Dramatic Reversal which is a near 2 card combo with the scepter? To utilize this combo you would need to play more things that tap to give you mana, but adding mana rocks will make your deck faster and I would recommend adding more anyways. In general this combo is low investment, high reward because none of the cards that you play to make the combo work arn't progressing you towards your endgame anyways. For the mana rocks you could add, I would highly consider cards such as Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox which are the high profile options, but for leaning more on a budget any of the signets are also highly viable (Izzet Signet, Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet). In general this will increase the speed of your deck and make it more turbo charged. You won't find many competitive decks without these!
Lastly, I'd just like to briefly mention the best counterspells for competitive EDH. In general it is widely agreed upon that for combo decks in general, you want your counterspells to be as cheap and efficient as possible. Some of the most favored are Force of Will (i saw that you have that one), Pact of Negation, Flusterstorm, Delay, Mana Drain and Swan Song (also on the list). Secondarily, people do play Counterspell but it is often outclassed by the ones I mentioned prior. Also, there are other counterspells that people will play for more narrow purposes and should be played specifically for the meta you are expecting to play in. These are Negate, Mental Misstep, Spell Pierce(only for decks looking to win t2-t3 really),Arcane Denial, Remand etc... (here's a useful link if you want to know more: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/5k0tef/a_lexicon_of_cedh_counterspells_and_some/ )
In general I would cut the counters that are 3+ mana, because there are just better options out there if you go looking, and hopefully that page can give you some good insight for what counterspells are the right choice for you. And that will about wrap things up for me without going in too deep.
Yeah, so I could go over every card piece by piece, but that would probably be an entire article on it's own. It really because what makes a deck "competitive" is kind of an ambiguous term in the grand scheme of things. I'm not 100% sure every recommendation I make fits what you are looking for, so it's hard to analyze what cards are truly good/bad without sitting down and discussing it directly. Also, since there are legitimately several different version of a deck that 1 commander could hold, I think I'll just leave you with some resources that can further your cEDHing. Here are some of the competitive edh resources that I like to visit, and hopefully they can serve you well too!
also here is my Kess storm decklist if you want to take a look!: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nekusar-we-legacy-storm-now-cedh/
It's always good to have another person in the community, so I'm glad that your interest has been peaked! Hope to see you around and feel free to message me if you have any other questions!
1 week ago
@Dankey so if you're looking for counterspells to add to Derevi I mean both are good counters! just depends what your meta is like I suppose.. even though I find Arcane Denial more valuable in the long run regardless of synergy as it loots you a card as well and even though your opponent gets more they might not be able to play them in certain "Stax" conditions...