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Spell Pierce Discussion
1 day ago
4 ofs, always 4 ofs, don't play 3 on the land front.
Fling is eh, you aren't one shotting people. 4 Galvanic Blast seems ideal. Lightning Strike is either worse than blast or worse than lightning bolt. Revolutionary Rebuff doesn't fit, or can be something like Spell Pierce. The pay off for Stoic Rebuttal is your Cancel becomes Counterspell, but given you've put this in legacy why not just play the Counterspell.
2 days ago
Desolation Twin is a bad SnT target cause you don't get the trigger.
Also the usual cards aren't normally Ulamog and Emrakul. Normally it is Emrakul and Griselbrand.
There are ways to seriously improve this but keep it cheap too.
3 days ago
Hi there! This looks like a really sweet deck, and I hope you enjoy playing Modern! I have a few suggestions for you:
- Delver of Secrets Flip is a great card for a deck like this, as it's often a 3/2 with flying for just one mana. I would highly recommend running the full 4 copies if you can.
- I generally like Young Pyromancer instead of Stormchaser Mage in the 2-slot, as it's a little easier on your mana, and the tokens stay around so you can store them up for a few turns before the lethal swing.
- You might want to run a few counterspells to prevent your opponent from doing whatever is is they're trying to do; Mana Leak, Spell Pierce, and Remand are all great, and Spell Snare is also good (though slightly expensive).
- Instead of Valorous Stance, I would recommend running something like Oust, Condemn, or Path to Exile. White has really good options for unconditional removal in Modern for just one mana, and the indestructible mode of Valorous Stance just doesn't come up all that much imo.
- Finally, Electrolyze is another card worth considering, as it can get rid of pesky Lingering Souls tokens and draws you a card at the same time.
If you're looking for a non-budget deck that's pretty similar to yours, I run a Jeskai Delver deck in Modern that I really enjoy: Delving into America.
In any case, I hope I helped. Have fun with your deck!
4 days ago
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1 week ago
Ok, I'm gonna lead with I am actually wanting to give you good advice to make this deck more competitive and to preform better in a full CEDH meta. You don't have to listen or take it but some of your card slots could be much more efficient.
Disallow, Diabolic Tutor and Stroke of Genius are generally not considered for competitive because there are far better choices. Path to Exile ramps your opponents which is the worst thing you can do in the game pretty much, giving them a 3/3 creature is better almost always. Pongify and Rapid Hybridization should be better in most cases, those along with Reality Shift Toxic Deluge Swords to Plowshares Gilded Drake is generally enough to keep the creatures at bay. 3 mana for any counterspell is too much in CEDH just hands down. Spell Pierce or Mental Misstep would do you better 90% of the time. With Spell Pierce on turn 2 if its in your hand and all you have on the board is 2 lands then you can play a mana rock such as Talisman of Dominance and still have mana to counter something in the early game. In CEDH games are decided by 1 or 2 mana.
Thrasios/tyman is considered a fast combo deck which generally means that Counterspell is too slow being 2 blue. Usually they run the 1 drop counters Swan Song, Spell Pierce Mental Misstep Pact of Negation Force of Will and Mana Drain and call it good with those. Sometimes they include a Delay as well. Being a fast combo deck also generally means you don't bother with any stacks pieces. Torpor Orb probably works well against your opponents but its a slot that could get you closer to your combo that only moderately hurts some decks and since your not running other stacks pieces its just not going add any consistency to your deck. Without it you could put in a Trinket Mage and Trophy Mage both of which would get you combo pieces.
If your running Transmute Artifact I don't think you should need Reshape. It is a good tutor but I generally think Whir of Invention is more useful. If you sac a 1 drop artifact to Reshape to go get Aetherflux Reservoir it cost 2 blue, a saced artifact, and 3 colorless mana. To get Aetherflux Reservoir with Whir of Invention it costs 3 blue and 4 colorless that your non mana artifacts can tap to pay for. I think the possibility of a very slight cost increase is worth the instant speed and not having to sac a rock. I would not run all 3 however.
Beyond all of this advice the most improtant thing you should do is take out Walking Ballista whats the point? Once you have infinite mana you should win with thrasios.
1 week ago
Been a while since I commented. I'll try to respond primarily to those points that others haven't already addressed.
Thought-Knot Seer is expensive to cast and doesn't really perform a vital function in this deck, given that its abilities don't have a high impact.
Stax is a challenge. This deck does have the means to outpace some stax decks by ramping extremely aggressively, but sacrifice engines in particular are effective at keeping utility creatures from having a great deal of impact. I haven't played in several years (apart from the casual 60-card game here or there), so I'm not really qualified anymore to assess how this deck competes with more modern Tier 1-Tier 2 stax decks.
This deck would rather not play Zendikar Resurgent or Mana Reflection because they need to be hard cast and are more difficult to find. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger would be a stronger choice in that respect (because it's Tooth and Nailable), but even then it hasn't made the cut. I leave that to players' discretion, though. Some people may find that the redundancy is important in their meta.
As a combo deck, this deck can normally outpace most noncombo aggro decks. Certain commander damage decks can pose a threat if unanswered. And don't forget that you can chump block with utility creatures if you have to. Surviving in a difficult position is preferable to being out of the game entirely.
I do feel that way about Consecrated Sphinx from time to time. Unfortunately, having not played in a true competitive multiplayer environment in a long time, I can't say with certainty whether it needs to be replaced. The mana cost is the biggest downside, but it's a powerful backup draw engine that's much less risky than Damia herself.
Stroke of Genius is serviceable, and there are ways to recur cards from the graveyard just as there are ways to get them back from the library. I use Blue Sun's Zenith because mana is not an issue by the combo turn and the win con is safer (from hate effects) in the library than in the yard.
Timetwister is an interesting choice, and certainly something that becomes more potent as this deck becomes faster. I would test it.
Arbor Elf ramps, but Crop Rotation does not. I'm not sure if they're comparable in terms of slot consumption. In some metas, the land tutor may be more important because there may be a greater dependence on cards like Boseiju, Who Shelters All.
I don't recommend playing Demonic Consultation unless you're playing Laboratory Maniac, and I don't really think this deck wants to play either (although it could be built in such a way that they're more viable). Demonic Consultation presents the issue of exiling potentially necessary win conditions in order to find a combo piece, and it's never really completely safe to use. Similarly, Tainted Pact isn't in the deck (and is actually covered in the "Omissions" section). I don't think there are many cases where I'd so desperately need a single card that I could risk potentially exiling every other card for it.
It's true that Crucible of Worlds is a good card, but every card in this deck is a good card. Crucible of Worlds doesn't really provide necessary functionality to this deck, though, so I wouldn't call it one of the best cards and similarly wouldn't be able to justify increasing its redundancy at the expense of some other functionality.
Lots of feedback there. I'll try to respond to as much as I have space for.
Rising Waters is an issue because this deck really wants to maximize its mana availability.
Future Sight was in a much earlier version of the deck, but was cut because the cost outweighed the value. Some people may prefer to run it, but I don't.
Pendrell Mists is a good stax card, but this isn't a stax deck. I'd rather keep my utility creatures at the risk of letting other people keep theirs.
Autumn's Veil has some potential. I've never really experimented with it in the 99, though.
Night's Whisper is not as preferable as a draw engine, in my opinion.
Notion Thief could be good in some cases, and I haven't actually tested it in the deck, but there weren't very many times where I think I would have (and would prefer to spend) the mana on it given its inconsistency from game to game.
Brainstorm was in an earlier version of the deck, and it could still justifiably be run given all of the fetch lands, but I prefer to spend the slot on other cards.
Baleful Strix doesn't really do enough to justify spending the mana.
Trinket Mage is a more expensive and more limited tutor than those already in the deck.
Arcane Denial is in the deck because it's a hard counter for , which I'll gladly take in the final turn.
Three Visits and Nature's Lore are important ramp cards and cannot be cut. Skyshroud Claim could potentially be cut on a cost basis, but it's very powerful and pays for half of its own cost on resolution.
Mindslaver is not something this deck needs. I don't really want to spend to control someone's turn if I could spend much less to get myself closer to actually winning. It's not good without a recursion combo or when facing multiple opponents.
Academy Ruins could be played, but I don't really need to recur any of the artifacts in this deck as much as I need access to on-color mana.
Omniscience is not necessary. My primary win con is an spell, which doesn't benefit at all from Omniscience and does benefit from an infinite mana combo (the latter of which enables just as many other cards as the former).