The Eldest Reborn

Enchantment — Saga

(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)

— Each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker.

— Each opponent discards a card.

— Put target creature or planeswalker card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.

Discussion (51)

Strangelove on Carth, Knight of Farron Keep

2 weeks ago

+1!

Above are all great suggestions! (expensive tho)

I would run 38 lands and 10-12 ramp that are all cmc 2 to see turn 3 Carth most of the time.

The enchantments feel odd to me. I'd cut them.

-1 Cunning Rhetoric -1 Pestilence -1 Sandwurm Convergence -1 The Eldest Reborn

-1 Vivien's Grizzly... too mana intensive -1 Vengeful Pharaoh... if you're not milling this, its not worth

Cut some boardwipes. Think about how often you want to cast them in a game. I'd run 4.

For planeswalkers I like to run each one that makes a token or reanimates a creature.

I'm a fan of +1 Elephant Grass.

And more draw! Stuff like Syphon Mind, Read the Bones, Night's Whisper, maybe even Ancient Craving, Harmonize, etc.

Oakhame Adversary and Ohran Viper are decent rattlesnakes.

SupremeAlliesCommander on "The Thing" 1982 Movie Deck

3 months ago

Testing 1v1 against my Kresh deck. The Thing has the potential to flood the board with annoying little tokens and a boatload of card draw, but that potential was never fulfilled. Kresh was just too aggressive. This list could not reliably stop Kresh from doing what Kresh does… destroy your board before you can build it.

When The Thing worked, it was during matches in which Confirm Suspicions or some other investigate spell gave you enough draw power to find answers. Twice I had to sac Kresh… losing his counters… and recast him because of Winter's Rest . But there aren’t many effects like it in the deck, and I had to dig deep for it.

Let me try with another deck that isn’t so destruction-focused, but my first impression is that this list needs more lands, and more ramp. I was forced to mulligan more than I'd like. A couple options that sorta fit the theme...

Awakening Zone

Growth Spasm

Into the North

Deathsprout maybe???

Also, you should get something more than just 1 mana when you sac a scion. Does Dictate of Erebos fit the theme? If too pricey, The Eldest Reborn is different, but offers fair value, here.

MaltOMeal on Absolute Theocracy

4 months ago

Sup lobsternips!

As a baseline, you'll need to add lands, which I'm sure you know. Since you're making Treasure and Gold tokens in this deck you'd probably be good with roughly 34-36 lands, leaning more to the most mana color you'll need, say like a 25/25/50 split if thats what you're going for.

Creatures

- We'll cover your cards to include by type, so lets start with creatures. I like the Angels, Demons, and Dragons subtheme, if you were considering it I'd try and include Kaalia of the Vast if you can get your hands on one, otherwise just slim down on the tribal stuff, reaching too far into each different theme could result in inconsistencies and clunky play. I've been there, it sucks a lot. (Unfortunately, you can't run Shalai, Voice of Plenty since she has a Selesnya color identity)

• Key Angels you may wanna keep: Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Angel of Destiny , Angel of Serenity , Sunblast Angel , Lyra Dawnbringer , Eradicator Valkyrie .

• While I do like Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls they have a high mana cost as most good Angels do, while Tariel synergizes well with your strategy she does have that randomness factor and would advise a more reliable and consistent option. Gisela speeds up the game. As a player this is good and accelerates the game, but as an opponent my first priority would be to get rid of Gisela and that paints an even bigger target on your back.

• Restoration Angel is fantastic for your edict effects, at face value. You'd need to run flicker effects to really make it shine. Basandra, Battle Seraph seems really good, forcing people to attack is nice and it prevents players from casting anything in combat, however it means instant speed removal will be used before the combat step. This also stops you from casting spells in combat.

• As for Human synergy, I really like Teysa Karlov , Thalisse, Reverent Medium , Queen Marchesa , General's Enforcer and Fain, the Broker . All of them work very well with the token strategy, especially Teysa and Thalisse

• Things I wouldn't necessarily include are cards like Juri, Master of the Revue (as good as she is with Fling ), General Kudro of Drannith (incidental unless you go all in on the Human tribal strategy), Devout Chaplain (same reason for Kudro), or Dire Fleet Hoarder (basically a one time effect unless you jump through the Teysa hoop, yes it does give you a Treasure token, but at a cost of 2 mana and the creature dying).

• Things like Ruthless Knave , Pitiless Plunderer , and Impulsive Pilferer perform outstandingly well in terms of more bang for your buck in this case.

• As for Demons I really like the Archfiend of Depravity and Rakdos, the Showstopper , their mass sacrifice effects are wonderful, however Rakdos does effect your board heavily unless you play to his synergies, you wouldn't want Negan to die to his effect would you?

-When it comes to your Dragons, I think you hit the nail on the head, nothing I would really change or take out. Allows for Magda, Brazen Outlaw to have a decent outlet if you don't want an artifact.

-Finally, the other things you've got going. Dockside should just be an auto-include, albeit a heavy price tag, but if you can get one you should definitely include it.

• Dark Impostor , while mana intensive is still a decent mana sink that can function effectively as targeted removal. Definitely keep your edict creatures, they are super useful and trigger Negan, and thats what you want.

• Starnheim Aspirant is useful if you go super heavy into the Angel theme, but if you skimp on the Angel theme this could very often be a dead card.

• Storm-Kiln Artist , I like this a lot for this deck, can be a beater, and generates value.

• Vault Robber , seems bad, and bad to do. Synergizes with Magda and makes Treasure tokens, but thats really it... PLUS it requires you to have a creature in YOUR grave. I'd cut this, but if you have a reason to play it I'm not seeing immediately play it in your deck.

• Viscera Seer , good card, good sac outlet, not much else to say.

• Creatures I'd include based on what I've seen: Solemn Simulacrum , Burnished Hart and Mayhem Devil . Some good ramp and a decent damage dealer if you'd like to play a cheap one. Plus the Devil is great at just 3 mana.

Enchantments

First thing I wanna point out is the abundance of them, its good, but its quite a few. I like the variety of them though, from token generation to mana value, all of them are GOOD in a sense.

Angelic Renewal is basically a one time effect. While good, there are better recursion spells out there, but this one does fit the Angel theme so thats really cool. :D

Land Tax : Definitely play this if you want more inclusions in your deck and want to play less lands, but don't forget to have a focus on more basic lands for the landbase.

Luminarch Ascension is subject to removal by other players, and somewhat makes you a target, but with Divine Visitation and your non-Treasure generators make this super useful.

Aside from that, I think that's a decent spread of enchantments. Nothing to add really, love the inclusion of the Sagas and Revel in Riches .

• You could also put Martyr's Bond in for shenanigans, Hidden Stockpile for utility, or Flameshadow Conjuring for more token synergy.

• Flickerform is also a unique enchantment, but makes it doubly effective with edict creatures like Plaguecrafter .

• Shiny Impetus is good for token generation, but don't play a sacrifice creature to have that player just get rid of it, deceptively good and bad.

• The Eldest Reborn is also another good saga to include if you want another edict type effect, and when it does go off you can get what you want from players' graveyards.

Artifacts

I'm sure you'll add more later, but here are some I'd DEFINITELY include:

The three signets for your colors, Arcane Signet as well.

Goldvein Pick : hidden tRAESurES!!!

Inspiring Statuary for a low mana investment, you can effectively keep your Treasures around, or use your Gold tokens twice(tap it for colorless, then sac it for colored mana).

Panharmonicon to double up on edict effects.

Instants

Not much in this category outside of removal or token generation.

Wouldn't run Secure the Wastes strictly because it doesn't put Humans into play, play the sorcery option Martial Coup instead if you want a token creator with some OOMPH.

I'd recommend more removal, but with everything else considered I think you're pretty much good here. Really like the Crackling Doom and Vona's Hunger inclusions.

Sorceries

OOOOkay, lots to look at here.

• Approach of the Second Sun : Does provide you an effective way to win, very good card for a deck like this especially if the game goes long.
• Brass's Bounty . Love it, not much else to say.
• Contract Killing fits the theme and the flavor. Love it.
• Damnable Pact is good card draw for you, and useful against someone who flies too close to the sun.
• Debt to the Deathless / Entreat the Angels . While both good, is not something you want to draw into early game or open with. I would highly suggest playing less finisher cards like these, but if you wanna play em don't let me stop you.
• Killing Wave . Love it, super good.
• Necrotic Hex . Expensive, but great effect.
• Excavation Technique is actually a really good spell. Synergizes with Magecraft like WoTC intended and is deceptive for your opponents.
• Increasing Devotion / Finale of Glory . One of these is better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which.
• Heartless Pillage / Seize the Spoils . I really like both of these cards as spells and thematically. They work well for Negan and as spells for you to Pillage and Loot with as you please.
• Ruinous Ultimatum / Tragic Arrogance : Both are fantastic, especially as finisher spells. I'd make a point to include both so you have an option when you're ready to win(IE: Revel in Riches in play with a ton of creatures on board, its akin to vandalblasting with a lettuce on board).

Notable Lands

Mortuary Mire : Get that creature back in play!

High Market : Useful when Dictate of Erebos is in play.

Sanctum of Eternity / Command Beacon : You never know when you might need to use them. Negan can get expensive real fast.

That basically does it for my brief review, hope I was of some help!

jhalko on Grave New World

5 months ago

Take out Vinelasher Kudzu (shit card), Vulturous Zombie (Too slow), Overbeing of Myth (Too slow), Mossbridge Troll (Not a great card), Elvish Aberration (Too Slow).

Cards to consider Alexi's Cloak , Omen of the Sea , Omen of the Hunt , Plaguecrafter , Spore Frog , Seal of Primordium , Secrets of the Dead , Throne of Death , Syr Conrad, The Grim, Perpetual Timepiece , Executioner's Capsule , Nihil Spellbomb , Aether Spellbomb , Sultai Ascendancy , Seal of Removal , The Eldest Reborn , Titans' Nest

Housegheist on gravetide reanimator

6 months ago

As i would have to cut a card from the ones you mentioned, i would cut Forbidden Alchemy before Zulaport Cutthroat before Titans' Nest . Forbidden alchemy seems the less valueable card. It's flashback-cost is way to high. Zulaport Cutthroat seems to have not so much in common with your gameplan. I could be more efficient if you swap it with more synergie. Haven't played with Titan's Nest yet, but it seems pretty slow, even if it grants you kind of ramp.

Other suggestions to cut because they either are to slow or better options available: Oblivion Stone , Kenrith's Transformation , Omen of the Sea , The Eldest Reborn

Maybe you should consider using Malakir Rebirth Flip for cutting a basic swamp

ZombieCat on

6 months ago

I'd cut out Asylum Visitor The Eldest Reborn Awaken the Erstwhile for the cards I suggested.

Asylum because it's too situational and if you're in a bad position in the game it becomes a dead draw.

Eldest is a 5 cost 3 turn trick, not really worth it in the long run when you have much cheaper costing cards doing the same thing.

Awaken hits every player and gives every player tokens. It just doesn't seem good in more cutthroat builds.

If Tinybones is one of your primary wincons I'd think of adding mana boosting cards like Culling the Weak and Bubbling Muck so you can instant speed the damage when they discard. Diabolic Intent is also another good card for searching for your wincons or combo pieces.

I'm building Tergrid as well, most cards I've already ordered and will hopefully be able to play next week, can't wait!

Housegheist on Need help cutting cards for …

7 months ago

As i would have to cut a card from the ones you mentioned, i would cut Forbidden Alchemy before Zulaport Cutthroat before Titans' Nest . Forbidden alchemy seems the less valueable card. It's flashback-cost is way to high. Zulaport Cutthroat seems to have not so much in common with your gameplan. I could be more efficient if you swap it with more synergie. Haven't played with Titan's Nest yet, but it seems pretty slow, even if it grants you kind of ramp.

Other suggestions to cut because they either are to slow or better options available: Oblivion Stone , Kenrith's Transformation , Omen of the Sea , The Eldest Reborn

Maybe you should consider using Malakir Rebirth  ^Flip for cutting a basic swamp

Mordamen on

7 months ago

What are your thoughts on Acquisitions Expert , Elderfang Disciple , Inscription of Ruin , Liliana, Waker of the Dead or Liliana of the Veil , The Eldest Reborn , and perhaps Skull Raid ?

Oh! And of course, the one and only Tinybones, Trinket Thief !!!