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Hymn to Tourach
Target player discards two cards at random.
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Hymn to Tourach Discussion
1 week ago
My last suggestion I have at this point which could be bad depending on how many players there are per game is that you look into things like Cabal Therapy, Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize, and maybe Unmask or Hymn to Tourach. The theory being, they aren't just dead in some matchups and are fairly versatile. You can check to see if the coast is clear, remove hate pieces, etc. The problem is that you can only target one player, so you might still need a little luck. They're all pretty cheap too.
1 week ago
I've always wanted to build a discard deck in EDH: I created a fun and functional discard deck in Legacy, and I've always wanted to repeat that in my favorite format, EDH.
The problem is that EDH is a singleton format, and because I can't have four Persecutes in my deck, Liliana's Specter seems like a better choice because it is consistently easier to recur than Persecute, so I naturally gravitated toward building a discard deck with a graveyard sub-theme, but I can't seem to recur Black Cat often enough to abuse it, so I'm almost ready to throw in the towel, since the alterations to this budget deck are starting to make it more expensive than I would prefer, and I'm beginning to become a bit disillusioned with it. lol
Anyhow, I don't expect you to expend all your time and energy in correcting every single issue with my deck: I would simply appreciate any amount of advice, no matter how minimal it may be. I've put a lot of time into researching this deck, and I don't seem to be getting much traction, so it seemed like it would be a good idea to ask someone who has more experience with recursion than me.
Four main reasons I want to use this commander:
His cmc cost is very low.
He can recur himself from the graveyard.
He's a sac outlet, and because of his ability to self-recur, he's the only sac outlet I really need.
How this deck is supposed to work:
I play a lot of low cmc creature spells that cause my opponents to discard when my creatures enter the battlefield or are sacrificed, and I repeat this process over and over again until they have nothing left to answer with.
In the process of saccing all these creatures, I gradually wear down my opponents' life totals.
The problems are as follows:
This deck is intended to be a fast aggro deck because I don't have enough defensive measures to keep myself alive if the game is prolonged. Forcing my opponents to discard is supposed to protect me, whilst my opponents gradually die. I also have creature/artifact removal to assist with player suppression, and honestly, it feels more effective than my subpar discard engine.
Even though I have ten recursion cards and ten card draw/tutor cards, my hand is never as full as it should be.
Even with a combined total of 15 mana rocks and land tutors, Tymaret, the Murder King's mana-activated abilities are still cost prohibitive and just don't do enough. There has to be a way to enhance what he does and/or get around the activation costs.
Considering that my overall cmc cost is actually pretty low and the fact that I have decent ramp for my colors, it's still a huge mana investment to play creatures, sac them and recur them. There has to be a way to cheat them into play, get around Tymaret's recursion costs, and/or cheat the recursion costs.
My discard engine is so abysmal that the only thing I can rely on is hoping that no one kills me before I play Sorin Markov and sac five creatures, and that's obviously a terrible strategy. My goal is to suppress my opponents by making them discard whilst gradually wearing down their life totals, but it just doesn't work that way in practice.
Ultimately, this deck needs to be faster and more efficient when it comes to discarding and dealing damage.
Here's the link to my deck: Tymaret, the Discard King
2 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
I love how Torpor Orb plays very well S&T and many of these unfair decks. This deck looks to have the right mix of disruption, and combo potential.
1 month ago
That's certainly something to consider. The Deed also hits my own equipment from Stoneforge Mystic unless it's a Batterskull, which is why I'm hesitant to maindeck it. Pernicious Deed works a lot better in decks that are trying to ramp into Thragtusk and such. Card selection in a midrange deck like this can get a little tricky because of the balance between synergy and power. Obviously slamming Deed would be an argument in favor of "power", but then the question is whether it's worth the cost in synergy. Same with Toxic Deluge, but with Empty the Warrens so big right now I feel like a sweeper maindeck is relevant. Definitely something for me to think about though.
The mana is a little weird, but it works. I do it more often in Modern, but I'm not scared to throw down a filterland or even a check or fastland if it fits. Being able to cast Hymn to Tourach off a turn 1 Horizon Canopy or Dryad Arbor can be a big surprise too, and they often aren't expecting the hymn when they see the non-black source turn 1.