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|Planechase Anthology (PCA)||Common|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Common|
|Promo Set (000)||Common|
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Creature — Specter
When Liliana's Specter enters the battlefield, each opponent discards a card.
Liliana's Specter Discussion
1 month ago
Personally, I'd probably drop that one sub-theme from the deck and devote the slots either to my own self-discard strategy or shore up any other sub-themes you may want to foster. If you go that route, look at Glint-Horn Buccaneer because he was basically made for this deck.
That being said, I really do enjoy some individuality and personal flavor/spin on decks.
So if you do wish to continue with the strategy you might want to open a card slot or two (since you're currently sitting at 9ish pieces). Some cards you may want to consider to add: Pain Magnification if you see yourself reliably dealing 3+ damage, Hypnotic Specter for a 3cmc attack discard engine or Liliana's Specter if you prefer ETBs, Banshee of the Dread Choir for a 5cmc discard monstrosity (lets face it Myriad is cool).
You just have to decide how much flavor you want out of your deck at the cost of efficiency.
1 month ago
Thanks again Massacar,
I had Dark Deal in an early version, but dont love that it hits me for minus one draw as well. and the one time use for Hymn to Tourach was what kept me from picking it. But that being said, i really like Arterial Flow .... 3 mana for opponents only to discard 2 each.. beautiful - and chances are i will have a vamp in play as well. That one is definitely going on my buy list.
I have played this a couple times, and I find it super fun but have absolutely no win condition on it (which is fine for now as long as we have fun playing), but not sure about creatures yet. Of the 3, i like Liliana's Specter only because its an ETB and not a hit the opponent ability. Will know more after more playtesting
1 month ago
Totally missed Creeping Dread and a few others.
If you really want to build into opponent discard though, consider Arterial Flow , Dark Deal , Hymn to Tourach , Dreamstealer , Hypnotic Specter , or Liliana's Specter . All of those options cost 3cmc or less and are $ cheap as well.
Good luck with the build, I will post back if I come up with anything new.
4 months ago
Chainer's game plan should be something like... Ramp > Control > Reanimate.
Focus on filling and stealing from your opponents' graveyards and protecting Chainer.
Stax: Honestly, I would avoid hard stax. It encourages your opponents to hate you and escalate their power-level.
What this deck really needs is ramp: 38-40 lands and 12-16 cards like Bubbling Muck , Charcoal Diamond , Heartless Summoning , Burnished Hart , Coalition Relic , Revel in Riches , Black Market , Magus of the Coffers , Gauntlet of Power , Nirkana Revenant , etc. Also Phyrexian Tower .
...If you want to lean into stax... here's a list for evil people :)
4 months ago
2 ways I would build SG on a budget:
Zombie token makers ( Liliana's Reaver ) + Zombie Token lords ( Eternal Skylord ) + kill spells ( Go for the Throat ); since SG makes zombie tokens you can kill an opponent's best creature, reanimate it, and it will get buffed. You will proactively make zombies for offense/defense while reactively killing problem creatures and turning them into your minions.
Strong enter-the-battlefield trigger creatures ( Plaguecrafter ) + Arcane Adaptation + kill spells ( Murder ); since SG makes a token of the exiled creature, being able to get a second trigger is great. With AA you obviously name "zombies" and now all your creatures boost SG' upkeep trigger. You are controlling opponents through your creatures entering the battlefield while, again, you are using kill spells to get rid of threatening creatures you want to turn into zombies.
2 other viable routes, though less 'zombie,' are discard via spells ( Syphon Mind ) and creatures ( Liliana's Specter ) to which you reanimate creatures your opponents' discard & mill via creatures ( Consuming Aberration ) and spells ( Mind Grind ).
You chose a lot of good zombies but I would ask whether they are good enough that you would reanimate? While SG promotes creatures, I would not forget about relevant zombie-focused spells. Ex. Apprentice Necromancer is cute but I would cut it for Cemetery Recruitment since it draws a card too or Ghoulcaller's Chant which grabs 2 back.
I would add more card advantage ( Ambition's Cost , Ancient Craving , Live Fast ) and ramp ( Mind Stone , Dimir Cluestone , Seer's Lantern ). I would shoot 10+ sources of each because nothing is less fun than not being able to cast your spells and top-decking.
The inclusion of Paradox Haze is a great idea!
6 months ago
Mirage Mirror , one of my favorite pet cards!
I would probably also end up picking Bog Initiate if I were running Ashnod's Altar , too. I ran the pair for a bit, but I'm going a bit of a token fuel route with Pawn of Ulamog / Sifter of Skulls with Dross Harvester and Pitiless Plunderer . Initiate also helps with Ancient Tomb / Sol Ring / Temple of the False God , of course.
Also Vesuva could replace a Swamp, not just one of your nonbasics, because if nothing else it can be a Swamp. But of your nonbasics, Path of Ancestry only supports 4 of your cards, including Chainer, for only a rare scry 1. Has Ash Barrens been useful? I run fetchlands because of Rings of Brighthearth and it would turn that into ", discard Ash Barrens: Search my library for 2 Swamps and put them in my hand, shuffle library".
With three sources of "no maximum hand size", do you ever aim Sadistic Hypnotist at yourself as a discard outlet, or do you just not encounter a need to pitch something from your hand?
8 months ago
As for creatures, I would cut Abysmal Specter, Alley Grifters, Angel of Despair, Balustrade Spy, Confessor, Cunning Advisor, and Hollowsage. They're all about as valuable as Hill Giant , since your opponents will never agree to let you get the card advantage you're looking for, since the life is meaningless in EDH. That or they'll be outclassed by the time they hit the board. Angel is just too low impact for its cost. You should be positioning yourself to win the game with 7-drops. There are a lot of good options for creatures that make opponents discard. Just off the top of my head, Blazing Specter and Liliana's Specter beat the specters you've included. Here's a Scryfall search I set up for creatures that have discard in the text.
All of the instants are bad. They're mostly low-impact cards that make sense in 1-on-1, 20-life formats, but aren't worth a card in EDH.
As for sorceries, Deception and all Mind Rot variants aren't good enough for the format. That means Purge the Profane and Stupor, as well. Doomfall doesn't discard, so it's not good here. Liliana's Spoils is just too inefficient. Mind Knives just puts the two opponents you aren't targeting ahead of both the target and you.
As for enchantments, Ajani's Welcome and Impact Tremors need to go. I kind of see what you're doing with the lifegain subtheme, but there aren't really any payoffs in the deck, and a few life just doesn't matter in a format where people win by putting 100 power on the board in one turn or infinitely combo'ing off is the norm.
9 months ago
Since pirates are fairly weak as a tribe, you're going to need to limit what others can do and attack their resources in order to chip in for the win. Your commander helps with creatures, so I would attack the hand and mana to slow them down.
I recommend discard like Capital Punishment , Dark Intimations , Discovery / Dispersal , Herald of Anguish (great with treasures!), Syphon Mind , Liliana's Specter , Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip, Scythe Specter , Siren of the Silent Song , Skull Rend , Tasigur's Cruelty , and Torment of Hailfire .
While land destruction is often looked down upon as unfun, if you decide to keep with a lot of small creatures, you can come out at an advantage by keeping the lands on the board low. You'd have to build your deck to accommodate that, though. For that, you have Mana Vortex , Tectonic Break , Desolation , Epicenter , Ember Swallower , Rite of Ruin (again, great with treasures), Boom / Bust , Impending Disaster , and Wake of Destruction . You'll also find that creature stealing effects snowball, since you can remove blockers to get in with your pirates. Insurrection , Expropriate , and Blatant Thievery will all serve you well.
Some generic tribal cards will also help. Cards like Vanquisher's Banner , Shared Animosity , Door of Destinies , Konda's Banner , Kindred Dominance , Kindred Discovery , Coat of Arms , Metallic Mimic , Adaptive Automaton , Obelisk of Urd , Path of Ancestry , etc. will help shore up the weakness of the tribe.
Finally, I would head to EDHREC just to see the staples that are played in Grixis colors, as well as for your commander and whatever theme you choose to go with. You can also toggle to budget in the top right in order to see what will make it easier to build without sinking a bunch of money into the deck. However, keep in mind that cards like River's Rebuke don't scale up well to multiplayer, so you'll find the choices people make are very different. While cards like Cyclonic Rift , Sol Ring and Vandalblast will hurt the pocketbook a bit, they're good investments for whatever Commander decks you choose to build in the future.
If you don't like what you see, you can also head to Scryfall to search for cards. They'll let you limit the results to cards in your color identity, put price limits, and let your rank the results by how much commander play they see.
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