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Each opponent sacrifices a creature. If you control a Liliana planeswalker, each opponent also discards a card.
Liliana's Triumph Discussion
1 week ago
thanks for the comment match_lighter! I agree, shizo is probably worth testing out.
As for Vicious Rumors , the vast majority of my Modern play lately has been playing 3-4 player multiplayer with my friends, so most of my modern decks (like this one) include some strange card choices I would never normally run in a modern deck. Vicious Rumors and Liliana's Triumph are in here because they can hit all of my opponents at once
1 month ago
I would swap Diabolic Edict out for Liliana's Triumph as it can get through Leyline of Sanctity . Depending on how you want your deck to function Gifts Ungiven could be just better than Fact or Fiction , likewise I do not agree with having three Fact or Fiction and think you should swap at least one out for Hieroglyphic Illumination , as though Fact or Fiction could provide more card advantage, it can also get stuck in your hand during the early turns- when you would much prefer it to be Fact or Fiction .
1 month ago
Looks solid to me. Theres almost no reason to not just go 4 Castle Locthwain . Dark Prophecy is legal in the format and I think it does a better job than Underworld Connections of drawing cards with multiple sac outlets in the main and has no less than 3 devotion on it. Im also interested to see how your removal package works out! That has been the most in flux aspect of my lists. Grasp of Darkness and Liliana's Triumph are other options
1 month ago
Hey man! I got some suggestions. Feel free to ignore any/all of them:
I've never liked Chromatic Lantern , especially for two-color decks. Three mana is a real investment, so I think you'd be better off just running the Talisman of Dominance also above suggested. Coldsteel Heart , Sky Diamond and Charcoal Diamond are all valid forms of ramp as well. It is important also to not overlook the colorless ramp: Prismatic Lens , Mind Stone , Mana Vault (if you have $30), Everflowing Chalice ... Generally, I've had better luck with these two-mana rocks, even if they produce colorless, than with three-mana colored rocks.
You're running Ponder and Brainstorm , which are pretty dumb-good cards. Have you considered also running Preordain ? The three of these together make a hell of a cantrip suite, and will (along with an increased number of rocks) allow you to cut four or five lands.
There're some zombie lord/tribal cards you're not running you may want to consider. Zombie Master is one of my favorites (I like them old cards), and he's especially potent if you have the ability to throw an Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth into the mix. Depending on who you're playing with, Noxious Ghoul can be a one-sided boardwipe. Graveborn Muse is a great way to draw cards, and Undead Augur is similar. Undead Warchief is around $7 nowadays, but he's also worth running if you can.
I don't know how many creatures you typically have on the board at any given moment, but considering you're running 31 in the deck I'm guessing you tend to have a board presence. Consider Slate of Ancestry , which is generally a better Distant Melody people have forgotten about.
Windfall is an amazing card, especially if you can pair it with Narset, Parter of Veils . In general, midrange decks like zombie tribal can get out-valued if your opponents draw too many more cards than you, and these two can put a stop to that. Ashiok, Dream Render is another planeswalker to consider, since it will stop greedier decks (like mine) from fetching or tutoring.
Speaking of tutors, you should run some. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold-standard, but unfortunately together the pair is around $100 nowadays. Fortunately, there're other options, like your Diabolic Tutor . I suggest you run cards like Dark Petition , Lim-Dul's Vault and Mastermind's Acquisition , which are all FAR more affordable alternatives to the classical tutors.
In terms of removal, I see you're running a lot of one-for-ones. In two-player formats like modern and legacy, these are good; in four-player formats, where you're usually facing about three times as many cards as you have access to, they're simply not good ENOUGH. Most of the removal in EDH decks should be at least two-for-ones, combining targets between opponents. For example, Geth's Verdict only makes one opponent sacrifice a creature, while Liliana's Triumph makes all your opponents sac (a three-for-one) -- so I think Liliana's Triumph is better. Also note that the one life lost to Geth's Verdict is generally not relevant. There're some other cards to consider in this multi-for-one vein: Reckless Spite , Ashes to Ashes , Cyclonic Rift , Decree of Pain , Innocent Blood , Barter in Blood ... These last two are especially potent because zombies tend to recur their creatures rather easily.
Creature-midrange decks also tend to be soft to mass-removal pointed their way. Consider Living Death as a way to get around this problem, or Patriarch's Bidding (though the latter is more expensive).
1 month ago
Nice deck. We love your name too! Sounds like you'd fit in perfectly with FatGuyGaming! About your deck; Lol you really are putting hate on the board! Overall, it sounds like you accomplish your goal. Bouncing, slowing things down, STEALING, and removing stuff straight from the deck. Really going to turn some heads and fists!
A couple suggestions.
Replace Desert Twister with Assassin's Trophy . It's cheaper and instant speed. Most times, the basic land it nets is often worth the price of removing the permanent. 6 CMC for permanent removal is a steep price to pay late game, especially at sorcery speed.
Recall and Restock seem pricey for the effect you're looking for. Recall requires A LOT of mana: 4 mana and a card in your hand to get value, 6 mana and two cards, 8 mana and three cards. Same with Restock . I think Eternal Witness combined with all your clones gives you more value. On top of that, I'd get rid of Recall in favor of the Narset, Parter of Veils + Notion Thief + Windfall combo.
Your Stax package seems to be unsupported by the deck. Except Garruk Wildspeaker , Seedborn Muse , Wilderness Reclamation , there really isn't an opportunity for you to capitalize or synergize the Stax. Particularly, running 14 creatures seems like a shallow amount to get value from Opposition .
Random note: I'd consider adding in Force of Negation to your counter-package.
2 months ago
I had the same problem when I made a Bant mill deck earlier in the year. You pretty much need to have good spot removal, and black is the best. Liliana's Triumph probably pairs well with Drown in the Loch since edicts get around any kind of protection, and you might even consider a Foulmire Knight or two to draw some cards, but also to just stand there and block.
2 months ago
Liliana of the Veil is amazing, though unfortunately she is a lot of money. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is a more affordable alternative -- and if you can flip her fast and consistently, she's arguably just as good. Liliana Vess is also good, but I think she's significantly worse than the aforementioned. If you run some Lilies, Liliana's Triumph becomes even more powerful.
Considering how much of your creatures are under three power, you might want to consider Meekstone if your meta is into the whole attacking thing.
Night of Souls' Betrayal seems like it'd be super dorky in this deck. Your x/1s (like Dusk Legion Zealot ) would die and come back every turn so long as your general is down, so you'd get their triggers on every end step. This will require a lot of build-around, but keep it in mind because it's kinda super powerful.
2 months ago
HOW DOES ONE BUMP (CHOMP) LIKE A WEIRDO?
(NOTE: I heard that Bump Jokes are supposedly a bad thing here. If that's true, how do I bold just "BUMP" w/o a bad pun? Oka, back to the Topic...)
It seems this Topic is like having an Astral Plane, but Physicality is entirely Nil. I guess I have to show my Spellbook from here? Take caution; this is some very personal stuff you're about to read...
Aeon Engine : Have you ever wanted to change yourself prior to now? I do; how I got to this point is a cruel progress. My past was filled w/ nothing but despair. I was a crybaby of a B----, & my Asperger's Syndrome didn't help matters (At the time, people thought I was different, but not in a good way; it was near the end of the quest to discover Autism). Neither did mixing ZOLOFT w/ Chocolate Milk made from Nesquik Powder; but Risperdal, at preteen status?! OI! I never liked Zoloft in the first place, & that's how I got the personality I have today; not through Mana, but Zoloft. Fun Fact: Aeon Engine was created by WotC in response to Paradox Engine 's sudden banning in Commander/EDH. Paradox was even mentioned in the Flavor Text.
Flood of Tears This card is busted for a good reason: Instant Cheat for Omniscience . If tears bring hope, it has never arrived. While there are bad memories of my past, how can one not even be 0.infinity & 1% Good memories? Mine are BEAST WARS, Aurex Cluster Transformers (Armada, Energon, & Cybertron), Medabots, Pre-Burst Beyblade, among others to note. I was going to represent Flood of Recollection on this; but when you essentially bounce (Almost) EVERYTHING, just to tutor into play whatever permanent (This can also be a LAND; It does not say nonland permanent!) you freakin want, maybe utilizing your Unfathomable & Distraught Sorrow... um, maybe it might not be so bad after all... Fast Fact: I actually have a soft spot for ol' Mu Yanling. Her divine Beauty & Grace makes her a very powerful Neowalker even after surviving the WAR. Damn though, ol' Mowu turning to stone w/o needing to be Petrified by Vraska . Well, at least she's hunting down Dovin Baan … Heh.
Wildest Dreams : This card represents the very things I want to do as a result: Such as be an Indie Game Developer, Make a Custom PC to fit such a game's needs (It is planned to be on Par w/ the PS5; w/ support for 8K. What budget to use?), even being on YouTube not just for gameplay purpose anymore, but in addition, talking about what I like to talk about, & yes, eve the MTG ARENA Twitch Streams. That, & an Spell that can be recurred by Riftsweeper anyway is awesome.
Ponder : To think is to try & Hatch an idea. Whatever you need to do in order to accomplish your goals. How to Approach a Scenario... How to think & act fast in a stressful Situation; If you can put more than just Blood, Sweat, & Tears into it, Anything that is fixed in the realism of our world is possible. Also, I think of ideas that are almost parallel to WARHAMMER 40,000's Tzeentch's status as the Changer of Ways. & being a One-Use Sensei's Divining Top is actually pretty good.
Act on Impulse : Sometimes you have that tingling sense you need to fufill; FAST. For me? It can be Desires of the Human Flesh, Anime ASMR, Eating something I'm allergic to, it just goes on. This is the Same feeling for Impulsive Draw, & for this one; I suggest you prep yourself before exiling 3 to cast ( Unless you press your luck on this... ). I wonder how to Make Impulsive Draw better in , & ?
Concentrate : Words lie? People Lie? The Lands speaks the Truth? Uh, no, Garruk Wildspeaker . Even when my head has so many ideas; some finally realized in much better art than before: Sakura-Tribe Elder , Lightning Greaves , even a new art for Solemn Simulacrum better than the Kaladesh Inventions version. What did you think is a lie also, you bats--- crazy Druid turned Walker Hunter? Our minds are our greatest treasure in ourselves; & yours just so happened to be removed from a complete Monster to you. Now I just want the original Art for Harmonize in the future; WotC is at least looking slightly up at the least. OH, & suck on this, Garruk fans: When ol' Liliana meets w/ Kaya ; now a Gatewatch member in her stead; I'll ask you a question w/ a JEAPORDY-Style Clue: These Two Walkers are both after Liliana Vess , but out of both of them, one will get in the way w/ another & vice versa to kill one of the last "Oldwalkers"; Actually, Garruk has since been cured of The Chain Veil 's curse, but whether he'll backup Liliana Vess or not we've yet to see...
Echo of Eons : Remember what I said about how Time Stretch speaks nothing but the Truth? Well, you're about to be screwed as to why (Engages a more, Lawful Evil Persona...) There has always been this, & ONLY THIS. Only the Present Exists. The Past is just recovered Information that already happened as the Present Progresses through time, & the Future is merely the Present as it progresses forward through the Flow of Time. How could it work like a VCR? Fast Forward is Accelerating All of Reality. Rewind does the same, but inverse. Pause stops all or Reality; Infinite Dimensional Layers, it's essentially worse than Absolute Zero, as nobody can even Move; the Flow of Time ceases, & therefore, Reality. Record would allow you to repeat the good times now, but when would you believe that very clip will be either Boring, or Tear Jerking? What if one could foolishly break the laws of Temporal Science? Accelerating time? Reversing it? Force one through Accelerated Aging? Reversing the Present Time of another? Foreseeing a Future that's just another section of a later Present?
Forcing one's consciousness to several days back to one point in their life that already happened? Stopping one's Time by pausing it? Create Time Paradoxal Anomalies of any physical form? Sharing one's Senses in another Timeline/Dimensional Layer? Going back to a previous Present of another? Forcing one so far into a Later Section of out Present that it pales on BFR (BattleField Removal)? Same for being sent back in time where its Present should be only lost to Historical Records? What could all this mean as The Present is the one true form of time? You might be wondering, what is this suppose to mean? Simple: Sakuya Izayoi (Touhou Project) vs Kurumi Tokisaki (DATE-A-LIVE) needs to be made into fruition. MAKE IT HAPPEN, Hyun's Dojo Community. or ROOSTER TEETH. They're fine too... But when you need a good Timetwister that doesn't exile itself right away, remember the murderer MTG's Idea of Goldilocks wanted to murder you too for backing up A Tribal Leader of one of the Worst Viable Creature Types. . I wish I had a BURN! GIF to those that say Shit like BEAR FORCE ONE is "Great". Bears don't even have Non-Vanilla Effects most of the time. Goldilocks would rather kill a Ruler of her Animal Type than just simply kill Mama Bear, Papa Bear, & Baby Bear.
???: Maelstrom Wanderer , Riku of Two Reflections , Intet, the Dreamer , a Chandra Walker... Anything can apply here for something, but I believe my best bet is to include some Personality Traits that I can relate to. Take the Triumphs of WAR for instance. Chandra's Triumph mentions finding your ideal self, & believing in the idea of the lack of perfection; both of these I can relate to. Jace's Triumph states ultimate power (This is Omnipotence Vibes incarnate.) is self-defeating; also agreeing on this. Liliana's Triumph even states having independence is very important; I agree with this as well. But for Gideon's Triumph & Nissa's Triumph , they have nothing to contribute to. Might as well continue from there: Believing in the salvation of just being alive is pointless; Hell, Sirius Black in the Movie Adaptation of Prisoner of Azkaban said this: "I would have died! I would have died rather than betray my friends, as we would have done for you!" Like Gideon Jura/Kytheon long after the fact, Ol' Padfoot was killed to early. Nissa though, is FAR worse. Why destroy the Unnatural, when you can channel its power & make excellent use of it? Even fostering Life? Nearly every Animal on Earth; Discovered or Not, has a Mortality Rate for each individual Organism; Mayflies alone live for 5 MINUTES. But even some organisms (I'll talk of Animals in this case.) are capable of resetting their lifespan from an old age, to being reborn from using itself; not even Phoenix's; those who are reborn from their own ash could do something this epic.
But if you wanted to know my personality traits to further help out this cause, here's what I'll say for all 5 individual Mana Colors:
: Equality (I completely understand what the ladies need to do to acquire this, but merely this isn't enough; I'd actually would rather talk about how to actually have all genders created Equal; backing it up by a Tierlist Template on the internet (Does anyone know where to find one? I wanted to use one to show the Goldilocks Effect for females in fiction. I'll try best not to be inappropriate. ;)), Sadly, that's about it for ...
: Knowledge (Given my passion for finding out information on stuff I like ALOT, this is a NO Brainer; plus, Narset 's Center Color is , & Autistic; like I too am Asperger's. Hell even Homunculi, One-Eyed, or something else entirely are usually also this; a byproduct of Alchemy. WotC could've gave a Homunculus Legendary another Eye at least, & they would've gotten away w/ it. Any Alchemist Planeswalkers out there?
Cautious: Especially in the Summer, I always have to watch my own back, as I see things that are real, but nobody else believes me. I really wish more people are like Donald Epps of NUMB3RS fame on this; I mean, he said approach with extreme caution. I'm doing this every day of my life even now. I mean, At least I'm not Pantophobic; Fearing Everything is a true nightmare; Reality itself forces fear down your throat. Really blows if you have this Phobia...
I also believe everything starts as a Blank Slate; AKA Tabula Rasa; also, a name of one of the shortest lived MMO's ever (Did it suck that much? :/). But in all seriousness, you can't just have some Mono/Poly-Theistic Deity(ies) shape something that just ends up being a mere story of whatever Era that Text resides from (Even the Holy Bible is just a bunch of stories anyway, though we got Anime/Manga to learn such things anyway; sorry if I'm being Anti-Semetic; I have no such intention, honest.)
Despite the elements here, I actually don't agree with the Recurring Elements: I'd rather have Reality punch me in the face, I believe in both thought & action, & I believe only the Present exists.
: Self-Interest: Obviously, I'm a Team of One; & I actually wanted to make my own Fighting Game as an aspiring Indie Game Developer of a team of that same one. As for anything Self-Interesting to me, I like Sprite Based Fighters, I promote hate to the Switch for stealing all my favorite Games of this generation, & forcing me to resort to STEAM. Why can't the PS4 pro get anything meaningful anymore when it gets ported to the Switch, or doesn't even get a port also? Geez...
Ambition is another part about my ideas for . If you can put your mind to it, you can basically upgrade the Humanly Possible. In my case, it's making a 2D Fighter w/ Graphical elements not even the Switch can handle in terms of Processing power; but what kind of Custom Gaming PC Build would be needed to match PS5's Console Specs as a whole?
Ego, Superego, & Id. Just look them up; Dr. Freud would've loved it if you know my desires for all 3. XP
Even Self seems to apply to ; even if it seems that somebody awhile back stated I'm just calling out for help. Did I need any? Not even close. I'm learning; albeit VERY SLOWLY as to what I believe my best interests for my decks are. Disagree w/ my deckbuilding ideas, but they seem to fit fine.
: Of course I want to start my Center Color w/ a reference to another fighter; FREE; which was on ol' SoL Badguy's Attire. Freedom can take man forms; Freedom of Expression (Oi, STEAM Staff. you have users from Nippon/Japan that like Hentai. Why the hell would you restrict that to them also?; IT'S A WAY OF LIFE FOR THEM.), Right to Freedom of Speech, this list will go on, so, moving on...
Raw Emotion; Joy, Anger, Sorrow, Asperger's, Meek; heck, you can also say I'm mostly Kuudere; & how I'm quiet, & cold on the outside, but The Who is about to be trampled as I also have more personality traits of Anime/Manga/etc.; & they switch on the fly. So, I can be calm, & reserved one moment, & the next, I'm excited as crap. XD
My Impulsive mind is known for only one thing: Desire to fulfill what ever is needed for whatever situation. If it can't be fulfilled; I'll find another way; but how can impulsive Draw be good in cEDH? Not that I'd want it in anyway, but how would one make Apex of Power ; a HUGE Impulsive Draw Card actually woth playing in Boros? & why WotC should look back at their Dorks in their colors & wonder; Why did we never have a Dork w/: "Add " of the Same for : "Add "? Also, Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero & Eldrazi Displacer now both suck thanks to Hushbringer & Deafening Silence . Any help on cEDH Boros as of current, please?
Carelessness is, sadly, another trait. One shard of my whole set of Personalities is easily this; I'm sluggish IRL, but I'm also someone who talks so much in a reckless manner, one's mentality is inadvertently pushed to the Limit; not just Physically, but also Mentally, & Emotionally. So if I've a lot t say; just hope it's nothing you'd not know;
: Lastly, we got Green; but only believe in one aspect of Spiritism as a whole: Reincarnation. This has me wondering what my next life, or my previous is; & I hope that when WotC makes that Anime/Manga Plane of Existence; it isn't Isekai based in any way; why would anyone be Reincarnated to another MTG Timeline Completely in another Plane of Existence? Utter Nonsense even for me.
And... That's all my traits I can think of? Anyhow, I'm truly sorry for the MAMMOTH Sized Text; I just wanted to see what Legend can be relatable in my mind. But I've just one last question to the user who started (& inadvertently abandoned... D:) this from the start:
@TypicalTimmy: Does Color Identity truly matter about who I should choose for this? I'm NOT going to waste my time making a Custom Card unless I can't find a Legend; Walker, or Creature, that seems to fit most of 7/8 cards of the Spellbook of mine, or at least, a decent amount of traits I mentioned just now. I really hope anyone can think of a Legendary Creature/Planeswalker of such a sort; Even I know Homunculi are created through Alchemy, & don't always have one Eye; but In still wonder if Homunculus Tribal is also possible; but that's for another time...
OKAY, I think I made a GINOURMOUS post all around. Sorry to say, I'm ending it here. Later. I'll be fine tuning my garbage until I get a concrete answer...
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