Jeweled Lotus

Artifact

{T} Sacrifice this: Add three mana of any one colour. Spend this mana only to cast your commander.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Limited	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (46)

Mortlocke on Why are These Cards Banned …

4 months ago

wallisface,

" And I’m of the view that the only people qualified to have those conversations honestly are those playing the most competitive builds possible, and living amongst the top-meta (so, in this case, cEDH players)."

Hear hear! That being said, I live exclusively in the 2 - 4 brackets. However, I am of the opinion that since cEDH has it's own meta and ethos that it should be considered it's own format entirely divorced from Commander. On that same thought, I think we should further tighten up the game changers list with a sub-list of what would be considered game changers that are locked to higher tiers. Lemme cook here - do you think Blood Moon is a card that's appropriate for a Bracket 3 deck? Something that the average Bracket 3 pod would be able to readily find an answer for? I don't think the previously mentioned or similar stax effects would be something an average bracket 3 deck can remove before the game's flow becomes completely one sided until the end of the game.

Some cards don't have to be outright banned, but restricted. E.g. Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt - these fast mana options would be ideal for a "Bracket 4 and 5 only" or "restricted" ruling. As they can change the pace of a game immediately, they would be reserved for only the highest levels of play/power. They don't outright stop anyone from playing the game - just enable them. Stax pieces should be treated the same way - they can outright stop or slow play to a game warping extent.

Thoughts?

ASalesman on Unesh, Ultimate Guide (Tribal)

5 months ago

New Decklist -- Post Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt

Obviously the Mana crypt and Jeweled Lotus Ban really hurt the deck. It made me really unmotivated to update this guide very much. I am a bit removed from the cEDH scene. The current deck list is more tuned to optimized rather then cEDH. I think that's where Unesh as a commander wants to live anyway. Updates include:

• With this list I REMOVED cards would only be good in cEDH such as Mental Misstep and several counterspells
• ADDED a few bombs like Conspiracy Unraveler and Sea Gate Restoration for fun.
• RETAINED all the really powerful game changers in the deck (except Rhystic StudyGC, because it serves to annoy everyone in the format).
• Leaned more heavily into copying unesh triggers with clones like Spark Double, and ETB doublers like Panharmonicon

The win conditions are:

1. Thassa's OracleGC
2. Aetherflux Reservoir w/ Shrieking Drake support.
3. Combat Damage + infinite turns Nexus of Fate *list*

Some of the new changelings and other cards are really nice:

• Firdoch Core is a mana rock and a changeling, I think that's kind of dope.
• Changeling Wayfinder is the perfect ramp spell for Unesh.
• Mox Jasper works because there are so many inexpensive changelings.
• Barkform Harvester allows you to put Thassa's OracleGC back in your deck, a way to keep the wincon alive even if it goes to the grave.
• Sea Gate Restoration is kind of nuts because it gives you unlimited handsize with limited counterplay.
• Conspiracy Unraveler (This card is a cluster bomb.) It allows you to play bombs, then use the bombs to play more bombs.
• Commandeer is an ideal defensive card, especially for protecting the win condition later.
• Reflections of Littjara for copying sphinx bombs like Consecrated SphinxGC
• More consistent board wipes to keep the board at a normal state while you build up your Sphinx Machine: Engulf the Shore + Evacuation + Cyclonic RiftGC.

Expect a guide content update in the near future to reflect the current list... Perhaps the deck would benefit with some more interaction still. Will be considering this in the coming weeks.

clayperce on Dragon Toolbox

8 months ago

You might want to pull the banned cards.

(As I type this, Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt, and Dockside Extortionist are all banned in Commander) ...

legendofa on Hybrid rule change

11 months ago

From what I've seen online so far, it's a pretty even split between yes and no. At the risk of bringing in another contentious topic, it's honestly pretty similar to what was going around after the Jeweled Lotus bans, with how balanced (and loud) each side is against each other.

"Hybrid should be allowed! It's how every other format works, and they're all in color anyway!"

"Hybrid shouldn't be allowed! Color identity is what makes Commander unique, and it should be kept that way!"

I do believe there's a bunch of hybrid cards in Lorwyn Eclipsed that would influence the decision, but I've seen this discussion going in the background pretty much ever since I started Commander-ing. I'm softly against it--like I said above, I'd welcome the opportunity to brew around some more, but I think there's a strong risk of abuse against the spirit of the rules as an unintended consequence. As long as people don't start hurling more death threats around over a card game.

Personally, I want to see the "banned as commander" list come back, but that seems to be the minority opinion.

legendofa on Commander bans, a year later

1 year ago

In a few days, it will be one year since Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt, and Dockside Extortionist were banned in Commander. I'm not here to discuss the immediate results of that, I think I made my feelings clear when it happened. But I do want to put a couple thoughts out there, now that some time has passed.

First, and more specifically, some content creators were theorizing that WotC would immediately unban these cards, or print something at or even above their power and efficiency level. I think it's safe to say that that didn't happen. Have those creators revisited this topic at all? I don't really follow a lot of this sort of content, so I'm interested in hearing their thoughts now.

Second, and more generally, have you and your group adapted, stopped playing, or just ignored the bans? In the spirit of EDH, I'm going to say that all of these are valid responses, as long as it makes the most fun for you and doesn't hurt anyone else's experience. Or did the bans just not affect you and nothing changed for you? Any other thoughts?

fuster on Mana flooding is a good thing?!?!?!

1 year ago

Craeter Sorry for the late reply; I actually took a bit of hiatus from the game. The problem with Druid Class and Ovinomancer is that they're both a bit too slow for the deck. For 3 mana, I'd rather run Beast Within and have extra versatility to remove non-creature permanents.

Lifegift isn't really something I'd benefit from. The lifegain of my commander is just incidental and my deck doesn't revolve around lifegain. This card doesn't actually do anything to help me further advance my gameplan.

I did try playing Conduit of Worlds in the deck when it first came out, but I actually cut the card for Ancient Greenwarden because Reach and double triggers are more useful abilities for me. Conduit is further hampered by the fact that I can't use it to recur instants or sorceries, which is what I find myself recurring most often with this deck.

I think my top priority now is figuring out replacements for Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus, since apparently they both got banned while I was taking my hiatus.

legendofa on Beta Brackets Update Today

1 year ago

TheoryCrafter I can see a Bracket 6 that basically acts as the banlist/anything goes area, but some of the stuff on the banlist makes Dockside Extortionist and Jeweled Lotus look like Strike it Rich and Chromatic Star. Even in the rarefied airs of Bracket 5, what would happen?

Usual disclaimer that I don't cEDH at all, but something like Oloro + Lotus + Lurrus (even in the 99--tutors ahoy!), or Temur Tolarian Moxen 'n' Treasures into copy-spammed Tinker and Upheaval with a side of Fastbond, sounds eye-rendingly miserable to my Bracket-3-or-less-dwelling carcass.

DemonDragonJ on The New Commander Brackets Beta

1 year ago

Azdranax, I fully agree that I would prefer that Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus remain banned in EDH, since the rules committee banned them for a reason, although I still am hoping for Prophet of Kruphix to be unbanned, at some point, since I feel that the format has evolved sufficiently for the prophet to no longer be a major issue in it.