Liliana, Defiant Necromancer

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Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip

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Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Frontier Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
From the Vault: Transform (V17) None
Magic Origins (ORI) Mythic Rare

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Liliana, Defiant Necromancer

Planeswalker — Liliana

+2: Each player discards a card.

-X: Return target nonlegendary creature card with converted mana cost X from your graveyard to the battlefield.

-8: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature dies, return it to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step."

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Liliana, Defiant Necromancer Discussion

Metroid_Hybrid on Lili’s stax of madness..

2 months ago

Im trying to build a definitive Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip Commander deck, and Ive hit a sticking point..

This has been my process up to this point.. First, I started off with all of the general goodstuff leftover from my first dumpster fire of a deck. I then took the discard theme of Liliana, Defiant Necromancer into account, and bought all of the relevant madness cards.. At this point I noticed this slowly turning into a quasi-Stax deck; I even bought a shiny copy of Smokestack just in case..

And so now, here I am.. I need to cut a dozen cards, and I need help figuring out how to narrow this down.. However, keep in mind that 1) I cant go full creatureless Stax because I need non-token creatures to flip Liliana to begin with. 2) I also dont want to build the terrible Winter Orb-style control that nobody likes.. and 3) Im not cutting Crown of Doom..


Liliana’s Madness

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sylvannos on Legend Rule for Planeswalkers!

7 months ago

Personally, I'm not really a fan. The main impact will be in Standard. WotC was smart enough to wait for all the Gideons to be cycled out, which is good.

I liked the limitation before where you had to consider which version of planeswalkers you wanted during deck construction. With this change, you can now jam multiple of the same planeswalker type with zero repercussions. I'm not exactly excited to sit across the table from Liliana of the Veil, Liliana, the Last Hope, and Liliana, Defiant Necromancer  Flip just to get shit on even more. Or worse, Garruk Wildspeaker ramping into other Garruks, like Garruk, Apex Predator and Garruk Relentless. Planeswalkers can already be hard to deal with. This new rule doesn't help.

I'm not really fond of planeswalkers in the first place past the initial ones in Lorwyn and some of the new intro deck planeswalkers. They have too much impact the boardstate for their mana cost, even the high CMC ones.

Hopefully, this change means will see a larger variety of planeswalkers. I'm really fucking sick of seeing Jace in every block. He's simultaneously the Guildpact, studying Innistrad's moon, helping the Gatewatch, and still planeswalking all over the goddamn place.

I think the Legendary supertype made sense if it was introduced back in Lorwyn. But we're over a decade past that. I dunno, maybe they'll reverse it later if it turns out to be garbage.

sylvannos on Ixalan Spoilers; WOTC Approved

7 months ago

So probably the most important change in this set:

Jace, Cunning Castaway

Planeswalkers are now legendary permanents, meaning they're subject to all the same rules as other legendary permanents. From WotC Mothership:

Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary permanents will now be true about legendary planeswalkers. Also note that this does not mean legendary planeswalkers can be your Commander unless an ability says so.

Under the new rules, if a player controls more than one legendary planeswalker with the same name, that player chooses one and puts the other into their owner's graveyard. This means that if you control Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and cast Jace, Cunning Castaway, both Jaces can exist under your control.

Personally, I'm not really a fan. The main impact will be in Standard. WotC was smart enough to wait for all the Gideons to be cycled out, which is good.

I liked the limitation before where you had to consider which version of planeswalkers you wanted during deck construction. With this change, you can now jam multiple of the same planeswalker type with zero repercussions. I'm not exactly excited to sit across the table from Liliana of the Veil, Liliana, the Last Hope, and Liliana, Defiant Necromancer  Flip just to get shit on even more.

Or worse, Nissas ramping into more Nissas.

Yeah, I'm not really all that excited.

The following are also impacted by this change:

I doubt you'll be able to speculate on any of them now that the change is official, but pick them up for cheap if you can.

drakereid on Liliana's Plans Within Plans

8 months ago

TzickyT, the deck has been working well for me so far. I'm usually able to pull out Liliana, Defiant Necromancer  Flip's emblem quickly which keeps me in a very strong position for the rest of the game. I think I need to throw in some more card draw though, as with the constant discards, I find I am occasionly top decking.

PickleNutz on My 8-Rack Deck

9 months ago

Hey, I have a few suggestions/ comments.

Why do you use 24 lands in a deck that has such a low CMC? You're chancing some uneventful draws with so many lands. 19 should be about perfect, it gives you room for more spell play.

Ratchet Bomb is also kind of useless If your deck is running properly, one boardwipe in the main board like Damnation would be fine. Grafdigger's Cage would be a good option for the sideboard.

Necrogen Mists is also a double-edged sword, but since you aren't running Liliana of the Veil it's hard to find a substitution. Since your deck is reliant on you playing spells though. Liliana, Defiant Necromancer  Flip might be a better option on a budget.

Thoughtseize over Inquisition of Kozilek might have a better effect for you too.

Some other interesting cards

Gnat Miser

Ensnaring Bridge

Cry of Contrition

Brain Weevil

Brain Maggot

Augur of Skulls

Yellowpop58 on Lili Heard You Liek Creaturez

9 months ago

Thanks manbearpig01!

Don't know how I managed to forget about Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Crypt of Agadeem - will definitely add those in!

I also totally didn't think about Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet - would be a great backup for Liliana, Defiant Necromancer  Flip if I can't ult her. (Though I probably couldn't let him be on the board with Lili's emblem since it's a bit of a nonbo.)

Thanks again for the advice!

ksuKaliber on Vampire Deck (Modern)

9 months ago

Gonna go out on a limb and say Liliana of the Veil is just going to be an expensive Doom Blade most of the time due to her not getting her ult off. And without even having Red Madness Vampires or a few grave-based cards (Excluding Driver of the Dead) to take advantage of her +1 Discard effect, it could be hard to even get her to 6 Loyalty without her being targeted. I'd also look at some 1 drops like Guul Draz Vampire, Pulse Tracker, and/or Shadow Alley Denizen so you can have some immediate pressure (Excluding Thoughtseize).

If you really want to include a Planeswalker though, Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip/Liliana, Defiant Necromancer  Flip or Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath might be good includes. On flip, Liliana gives you a zombie token and her -X ability can return a desired creature back to the field first turn (Plus she can be flipped by any way your creature dies, so sac away). Ob Nixilis -3 can summon a 5/5 flying demon when he comes out, at only the cost of 2 life. These give different effects though, whereas Liliana of the Veil fits a very specific niche of sacriifcing getting around specific abilities and isn't always important. not to mention if they have multiple creatures they can just sac the least important one.

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