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- Mana Vault + Sol Ring + Tidespout Tyrant
- Dross Scorpion + Pentavus + Sol Ring
- Dramatic Reversal + Sol Ring
- Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter + Sol Ring
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Sol Ring Discussion
1 day ago
SprkySprkyBoomMan Oath of the Gatewatch introduced the symbol, so any cards from before that set that added colorless mana just used the generic mana symbol. Sol Ring is banned in Legacy, and even restricted in Vintage, because the mana ramp it provides is more efficient than WotC is willing to allow in 60-card formats.
1 day ago
Ok, I figured out soul ring does indeed tap for 2 colorless mana. Why do some cards exclude what the symbols while others tell you exactly what they do? It's weird. like if you look at an old Spirit Mantle it tells you exactly what protection from creatures means. While the new one excludes the definition. Sol Ring is the same way.
Anyways it looks like like I will be buying a pair lol.
1 day ago
1 day ago
Hey, much improved version, good job.
Aesi looks like she belongs as the Commander of this version. You have several excellent cards, much more than the other version, but you forgot Sol Ring . What this version needs now is consider more low CMC ramp?
The creatures who can put a land from your hand onto the battlefield are good, but they're only ramp if you have lands in your hand making them some times inconsistent sources. You want reliable ramp sources to be able to consistently cast Aesi and other higher CMC cards as well as cards with X mana costs which you want to pay a lot of mana for them. Land ramp spells have interaction with Aesi because it puts a land onto the battlefield.
- Sol Ring --> Scute Mob
- Arcane Signet --> Eternity Vessel
- Farseek --> Beacon of Tomorrows
- Nature's Lore --> Path of Discovery
- Three Visits --> Mass Manipulation
- Lotus Cobra --> Hooded Hydra
- Sakura-Tribe Elder --> Gelatinous Genesis
In my last comment, at your other version, I suggested that low CMC ramp could replace little creatures to have more overall interaction with Aesi. These suggestions are examples, they're low CMC ramp sources that you can hopefully cast early. By adding Rimewood Falls then Farseek, Lore, Visits can search for a Simic dual land to help ramp and color fixing. Breeding Pool is the more expensive price Shock land that can also be searched for.
In the above suggestions I've also suggested cards that could be cut. The majority of the cards to cut are higher CMC than the ramp sources. Most of the suggested cuts are worse cards than other cards, they're redundancy that's not needed or have effects that are subpar.
A process that should be a big part of deck building is streamlining. Streamlining is keeping all the best cards at each CMC and cutting the lesser cards. Another name for this process is "cutting the fat" meaning you're cutting out unnecessary cards because you have better cards that do the same thing or are just much more powerful no matter the CMC.
The process also is meant to help the mana curve by cutting redundancy, many high CMC cards which reduces the average CMC of the deck that will make gameplay better. At higher budgets it's easier to streamline because you have access to more cards, but at lower budget you sometimes need to use some lesser cards as filler. Filler is not needed when you have a $400+ budget.
An example of a streamlined creature base using cards already in your version and some cards I've suggested.
- Sakura-Tribe Scout
- Sylvan Safekeeper
- Genesis Hydra
- Llanowar Scout
- Lotus Cobra
- Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Steelbane Hydra
- Azusa, Lost but Seeking
- Courser of Kruphix
- Dryad of the Ilysian Grove
- Scute Swarm
- Altered Ego
- Tatyova, Benthic Druid
- Ancient Greenwarden
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Rampaging Baloths
- Roil Elemental
- Avenger of Zendikar
Example of streamlined enchantments.
- Druid Class
- Elfhame Sanctuary
- Mana Breach
- Rhystic Study
- Teferi's Ageless Insight
Cards that were cut from these examples.
- Hooded Hydra
- Primordial Hydra
- Cosima, God of the Voyage
- Guardian of Tazeem
- Archetype of Endurance
- Liege of the Tangle
- Dissipation Field
- Path of Discovery
- Court of Bounty
Good luck with your deck.
1 day ago
So now I'm thinking... which I should of done this earlier but anyways...
2x Sol Ring for the Pearl Medallion simply because it's costs less to play and buy gggggeeebbbus! It would help my 1st turn moves. And it would up my colorless manapool, I think. Could someone please confirm?
2 days ago
Hey, I'm sorry, but I don't see many changes that reflect why you're using Aesi as Commander. Path of Discovery is the right idea since little creatures can potentially reveal a land with explore. It looks like you've added a +1/+1 counter strategy to make all the little creatures better which is fine, but why this theme with Aesi? The main strategies here don't benefit Aesi or get enough benefits from other cards for Aesi to be Commander.
Currently your strategy is to develop a creature board presence early with little creatures, but with Aesi instead of creatures early you want lands or other mana sources. This is called ramp and ramp will help to cast six mana Aesi faster. Then after you control Aesi the more lands you get onto the battlefield during a turn the more draw you get. Once you control Aesi little creatures aren't doing enough instead you want to cast spells that get you more lands or higher power creatures/spells that cost more mana to utilize all the lands you have and mana you can make. Your main goal should to be to get Aesi onto the battlefield which little unblockable and deathtouch creatures aren't helping with.
Sol Ring is an example of a one drop that's going to do more with Aesi as Commander than Sedge Scorpion . Sol is ramp, is considered the best card in Commander and it's excellent when your Commander has a higher mana cost.
You can get lands from little creatures who have more interaction with Aesi: Sakura-Tribe Elder and Coiling Oracle . Who can be cast early for ramp or later in the game and still have interaction with Aesi because they can or potentially can put a land onto the battlefield. Sakura-Tribe Scout and Llanowar Scout are little creatures who let you put a land from your hand onto the battlefield. This effect can be repeatable and done at any point of the game at instant speed to trigger Aesi during an opponent's turn.
Tireless Provisioner is an example of ramp that's a creature who has interaction with lands to create treasures which can be saced to make mana. As a three drop it would do more with Aesi then Vedalken Infiltrator . The nice thing about treasures as ramp is they don't go away until you use them letting you store up a lot of mana for a big turn.
Rampaging Baloths is an example of a higher power creature to spend mana from ramp on that can do more with Aesi as Commander than Oko, the Trickster . When you control Rampaging then it can create an army just by playing lands which has good interaction with Aesi by getting lands onto the battlefield.
In multiplayer Commander where each opponent starts with 40 life then it's difficult to do much damage early game with attacking little creatures. This is why I suggested Edric, Spymaster of Trest because then attacking has another purpose then just doing damage and that other purpose is drawing cards. You see with Edric you don't care about how much damage you do early game with little creatures all you want is to have your creatures do damage to opponents to draw cards.
Unblockable and deathtouch really help since these creatures are not going to be blocked by an opponent because they're not enough of a threat for an opponent to worry about, but this is what you want since then you're drawing cards. The drawing of cards because of little creatures positions you to have a lead in the game which makes it worth it to play many little creatures especially one drops to attack.
3 days ago
DemonDragonJ, carlmoores, Riku is an extremely difficult Commander to build around, because he needs a lot of support to get going. Firstly, he's 5 mana in three colors. Unless you're willing to drop hundreds of dollars on the lands alone, there's a very good chance you won't get him out on turn 5 without excessive ramp. So you might think you want to build in Sol Ring , Mana Crypt , Arcane Signet , Gruul Signet , Simic Signet , Izzet Signet , Mind Stone and others. These work fine and all, but the problem is you end up taking away slots from creatures and I/S spells. Riku wants to be out and copying everything, ASAP.
Often, the "best" route are mana dorks. These will allow you to get some sort of creature base to protect yourself with, and ramp into Riku and his ability, and later on if you draw into them they are not duds because you can now copy your dorks for even more mana.
You can't copy an Arcane Signet , but you can copy a Birds of Paradise . But now you open yourself to removal, particularly wraths. So, you need to cram as many counter spells into the deck as possible.
What this now means is you have a bunch of dorks being protected by a fistful of counter spells. The reason you want to do this is because you are biding your time to drop a few choice bombs into play to secure the winning position.
Drop a Kamahl, Fist of Krosa and pay into his ability a bunch of times. Drop a Hornet Queen with Esix, Fractal Bloom already in play. Copy Hornet Queen and turn all of your tokens into copies of your Scourge of Valkas . You can also use Myr Battlesphere or Avenger of Zendikar for this. You can also use Terror of the Peaks , Apex Altisaur or Burning Sun's Avatar .
Consider the following:
- You know you want to use Riku
- But you know you need ramp
- So you know a large portion of your deck must be dedicated to ramp
- So ramp with creatures, so you can use Riku
- Now you can chain Riku and dorks together to bring out heavy hitters much, much sooner
- Focus on ETB effects to deal damage and clear the way
- Strengthen with Clone reinforcements
- You can clone your bombs, and copy your clones to clone more bombs
- When the dust settles, you're the only one left with creatures. Attack and win
For I/S spells, focus on two things: Counter spells and draw spells. You want to counter any and all wraths, as you want your boardstate to remain untouched. You also want to prevent removal on Riku if possible. The second part is draw, because you want to keep as many options open as possible. Drawing a single card per turn with Riku is a death sentence because you'll run out of gas immediately.
Riku wins through sheer, unrelenting brute force. So be smart about it, use ETB non-combat damage to clear the path and use your overbearing power and presence to hone in on singular opponents at a time.
Sure, spreading the love and hitting everyone for 12 damage is nice and all, but hitting one player for 36 and removing an entire player as a threat is far more beneficial.
Riku may be the ultimate Timmy Commander, but he absolutely plays like a Spike - he's there to win, not hold hands and sing kumbaya.
2 weeks ago
Gidgetimer thanks for the tips but I think I'll hold down to at least Lapse of Certainty and Mana Tithe . When I played the deck out of the box I lost mainly because of board/artifact whipe effect and once my artifact got remove from my yard and my field rebuilding is slow when you don't have 2 copies of Sol Ring or my big creatures are removed etc...
I feel it might be incorrect to say that Boros Charm is useless in commander. The card is in 25% of commander decks (yes probably more prominent in sun forger deck but it still has a huge protection on it against whipes).