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Whenever combat damage is dealt to you or a planeswalker you control, if Vengeful Pharaoh is in your graveyard, destroy target attacking creature, then put Vengeful Pharaoh on top of your library.
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Vengeful Pharaoh Discussion
1 week ago
Hey thanks for the comment! Yeah the blood baron has proven to be pretty lackluster so its going out. I did very much like the big gideon though and I think I'm gonna try a second copy. It could just be my meta but every time it resolved it proved to be powerful. Especially against eldrazi tron in concert with the other gideons amd an emblem from Gideon of the Trials. My most recent thoughts on sideboard land hate is that it may not even be worth having it at all. Against eldrazi tron they are going to have the lands they need eventually regardless so the card only slows them down at best. Against regular tron, your pretty much losing that matchup every time so is it reslly worth the precious slots in your board to make an abysmal matchup into a just horrible matchup? I'm not sure that it is. I'm putting in some Celestial Purge for this reason. I'm thinking its probably better to shore up the closer ones to put them more in your favor rather than fight the battle that your going to lose anyway. For example, the only way I can see beating any of the trons is with the emblem I mentioned earlier and a critical mass of gideons that they have to work through. And thats a long shot still. As far as the discard value, in not sure about including Start as it seems like a pretty steep cost on both sides. Vengeful Pharaoh seems really interesting to me though because it can be good even if you never get to cast it. I like that a lot.
2 weeks ago
I play a similar list to yours. Here are my thoughts:
1) Deck is a ton of fun. I've had great luck playing it, even though it's clearly not tier 12) Not sure I like Blood Baron or big Gideon. We can't always have Flagstones in play, and it really sucks to draw a five-drop after we've smallpoxed away one of our lands.3) With only one plains in the deck, we can't cast any Gideons under Blood Moon. Also, Shambling Vent is really, really good and I'd encourage you to find room for number 3.4) Your matchup evaluation is a little off. We're good against aggro, but we're also really good against combo--tons of discard makes it hard for them to assemble critical mass. Storm in particular is practically a by, since it's almost impossible for them to stick an Electromancer against us. However, we're weak against the grindier midrange decks (Jund, in particular, has so many cards that are good against us) and have a really hard time against Eldrazi and/or Tron. Both of those matches, by the way, suffer immensely from budget considerations; I tried to save money on Fulminators by running Rain of Tears instead, and the results were quite underwhelming.5) I'm looking for 1-2 ways to get more value off discarded cards; Ghasts and Souls aren't quite enough. I haven't tested anything out, though. My maybeboard includes Dread Wanderer , Start, and Vengeful Pharaoh
2 weeks ago
Jet Medallion; Mutilate; Filth; Snuff Out; Vengeful Pharaoh; Animate Dead; Dance of the Dead; Gonti, Lord of Luxury; Bottomless Pit; Dark Deal; Victimize; Panharmonicon; Caged Sun; Greed; Phyrexian Reclamation; Phyrexian Delver; and Bubbling Muck.
2 months ago
3 months ago
3 months ago
Slumbering Dragon, Riddlekeeper, Marchesa's Decree, Isperia, Supreme Judge, Hissing Miasma, Crown of Doom, Briar Patch, Blood Reckoning, Barbed Foliage, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, Hixus, Prison Warden, No Mercy, Dread, Vengeful Pharaoh, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
3 months ago
Thanks for the suggestion i will try Monastery Siege, Compulsive Research in my next play, im not very lucky thats why i play ponder and preordrain...For Ravenous Chupacabra, i will probably try somthing recuring Vengeful Pharaoh, but i dont know what i could replace.
3 months ago
I still havent played enough to decide on Driven vs Rally. Rally is definitely superior for the damages and forcing trades but Driven does have some advantages of its own. Sticking with Rally for the moment though.
My list preforms quite well without the Narcos. I do trade of some of that traditional explosive start but the Lotleth Trolls (which is what I brought in for the Narcos) pull their own weight. Yes, I do wish the Trolls were Narcos every time I dredge one, but I am glad they are Trolls and not Narcos when they are in my opening hand or I draw one naturally.
At this time I dont want to dedicate 4 of my sideboard slots to the mirror matchup. First off, Dredge is surprisingly not that popular at my FNM. I am the only one who plays it consistently. So, on the off chance I do run across it I will pretty much be racing as is, siding in Bojuka Bog for my graveyard hate (which I like because if Im not worried about accidentally dredging it and it cant be stopped) and playing around any graveyard hate they might have.
Also, with regards to your statement about playing against Leyline of the Void, it doesnt stop my deck dead. Lotleth Troll has regularly won me games against it as they focus so hard on mulliganing to a leyline/sometimes even side out their targeted removal I just stick a Lotleth, discard my creatures for the counters and beat their face in. I also do have Golgari Charm for enchantment removal, and I run that because it is a great multitool for wiping weenies and protecting against some boardwipes (Supreme Verdict and Anger of the Gods).
Vengeful Pharaoh is in my sideboard specifically for the Death's Shadow matchup (and I guess decks that are incapable of going wide too). It isnt a card I side in often, but when I do it does its job. Death's Shadow is a very popular deck at my FNM.
A one of Gnaw to the Bone doesnt slow down the race against burn and if I successfully cast it puts the game completely out of the Burn players reach. Yes, it can be played around by the Burn player but if he is actively playing around it I am still buying myself time.
I do agree, I want a second Lightning Axe in my sideboard and am evaluating on what to take out for it. At the moment I am leaning on just taking out the Thoughtseizes which would open up an extra slot for me to add something. I dont often side in Thoughtseize and when I do it rarely makes an impact.
In a nutshell, if a card cant be cast/interact from the graveyard, or doesnt facilitate dredging (ie, has a discard effect)