At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card at random.
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Bottomless Pit occurrence in decks from the last year
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Bottomless Pit Discussion
2 weeks ago
Nosema You wrote: "Hey, Thank you so much for responding. It was really helpful and I am close to finishing the deck but I REALLY like the idea of the Duskmantle Guildmage and Mindcrank combo. I was wondering whats the best way to trigger that. like the cheapest/easiest way for your opponents to all discard a card? Also do you try to play both at the same time or play 1 and then the other and risk it being destroyed? Thanks again!"
One strategy is to improve the mill technique. If you are playing different Counterspells than Didn't Say Please, Thought Collapse, Psychic Strike could be possible additions. Maybe consider Psychic Corrosion, Memory Erosion or Jace's Erasure, but I think those Enchantments are not in the theme of the deck.. Grisly Spectacle is better as a removal with mill, Jace's Archivist helps also the Notion Thief + Whispering Madness -combo. Pilfered Plans is card draw with mill.. so you have a nice pool of cards to choose from.
Another way is to get the Discard-Theme. Very annoying but also very effective. You still may play Windfall, Dark Deal and all those cards with such an effect. Painful Quandary is awesome but creates hate. A special combo could be High Market + Howltooth Hollow + Mindslicer if you are going deeper and deeper in the theme. Bottomless Pit, Oppression are fantastic cards. Bloodchief Ascension is so good for gaining life in the discard strategy, just think of this one.
In my opinion you play both cards, but you need some Counterspells in your hand. And you should have enough mana available..
4 weeks ago
You clowns slapped a new commander on top of CVT and called it a day. I know that these authors are treated as if they walk on water around these parts, but at a certain point this is just getting ridiculous. Compare the lists between Chain Veil Teferi and this one. Do you really think the two commanders are that similar? There are probably less than 10 cards of difference between these lists. Do you really believe that a PW commander and an artifact centric commander should have a 90% overlap in their lists?
You guys seriously have to stop slotting Legacy's Allure . Its a slow meme card that only performs if its in your opening 7. It is a complete dead draw later in the game. It doesn't advance your own position. Its relevance on the board turn 3 and 4 depends largely on your position in the turn rotation. The card type makes it the worst for interactions in your own deck. It isn't guaranteed to land against important creatures, because it is based on Power. It crumples to creature buffs while its on the stack. This is a pet card, and I'm extremely tired of seeing it pop up in lists because some noob saw it here first. Aether Spellbomb outperforms this immensely in an Urza list, especially since this particular list runs out of gas and struggles with card draw. Spellbomb also can activate itself via tap when Urza is out. Spellbomb also adds further resilience in this deck by not relying on creature stealing effects, which can be negated via Homeward Path . Having this AND drake shut off by a card that can be grabbed by Crop Rotation is poor deck building. Especially consider that this deck runs ALMOST NO WAYS to handle resolved threats, but more on that later.
Recurring Insight is another pet card inclusion. Its a dead card in your hand until turn 4 or 5, dependent on opponents resources for functionality, and is sorcery speed. Slotting this card while slotting other big 4, 5, and 6 cmc spells like Fact or Fiction Time Spiral Future Sight and Tezzeret means you are going to have far more hands that require mulligans due to having multiple of these cards in hand. Insight also proves to be garbage when playing against any decks that run handstax effects, Oppression Necrogen Mists Bottomless Pit Mindslicer Sire Of Insanity and more.
I find it telling you do not run Mishra's Workshop . The artifact density in this deck is far too low for an Urza deck. Its also why it has problems with gas later. If you had proper artifact support and leaned heavier into stax pieces, you could activate Urza casually for card advantage while still advancing board position. Workshop lets you hit the board with extreme speed and build a presence. Unfortunately, there is nothing for Workshop to ramp to, because the authors are so absurdly worried about not being able to protect Urza while holding 12 counterspells. Pro tip: Your list would actually gain resilience from slotting greater synergy between the 99 and the commander, as well as adding ways outside of the commander to access large amounts of mana.
Speaking of the commander, and returning to removal, this deck folds to a resolved Pithing Needle Phyrexian Revoker Sorcerous Spyglass Cursed Totem or Linvala, Keeper of Silence . The lack of layering and the lack of permanent removal mean if any of these permanents hit the table naming Urza, this deck might as well as scoop. The tutors you do run lead mostly to artifacts, and there aren't slotted artifacts that can handle this problem. This deck can answer problems in one of four cards outside counterspells, namely Gilded Drake (good) Legacy's Allure (bad) Chain of Vapor (good but temporary) and Cyclonic Rift (also good but temporary). There is a single card that can tutor into these, Mystical Tutor . Seriously hope you're holding one of 5 cards in your 99 while piloting, or else you're going to look like a joke when turn 1 Needle shuts off your entire gameplan. Your combo outside of Urza is tedious to assemble, and you're simply not going to be able to outrace real combo decks.
The decision not to include Rings + Monolith is silly. Especially when you're having gas problems, adding in additional A + B pieces and layering with other pieces increases resilience and will allow you to, you know, win faster. You'll have more dead opening hands, but if you cut out the garbage like Recurring Insight your overall starting hand strength will raise. Rings is an especially good piece, as it allows complete combo tutor off Muddle, and allows value generation from fetches and various effects like Inventors' Fair . Also consider Rings + Monolith as a combo versus Grim + Power Artifact. Rings has MUCH better usage than Power Artifact outside the combo, and the speed benefit from Grim is marginal compared to Basalt.
Speaking of Fair, it also shocks me that Expedition Map is not in this list. Map -> Fair -> Scepter is a line kids, and having pieces that fetch into the line means greater resilience and layering. Map also has value in fetching Tabernacle against Tymna decks, since this list runs pretty much 0 other answers to Tymna.
This deck is missing some artifacts that should be shoe-ins. Howling Mine is a no brainer. Even if Urza isn't on the field the entire game, receiving 7 cards during the game while giving 2 to your opponents is still beneficial to the pilot. Ensnaring Bridge should also be a no brainer. Slow beats from Pod decks, and stop Tymna, and shut off some infinite creature swinging combos. Trinisphere is another no brainer. It is such a massive slowdown piece. It doesn't matter if you decide to turn it off for a rotation. The pilot gets the decision of when to turn it off, not the opponents. I should not have to explain the benefit here. Even turning it off, the pilot still has the choice between stax effect or mana every time they use it. Even if its turned off on turn 5, if it delayed a turn 4 spell to turn 5 when its turned off it has done significant work.
This is without a doubt the most uninspired and phoned-in list I've seen attached to your names sickrobot ShaperSavant Lerker LabManiac_Sigi. Congratulations on building a $4000 turn 9 combo durdle machine, would give this a downvote if I could.
1 month ago
To preface, chaos decks in general draw a lot of ire, especially when it is chaos for chaos's sake with no direction toward victory. I personally have no issue with the chaos style, though resolving a Warp World or Scrambleverse is definitely a chore haha. Anyway it looks like you aren't going for anything too egregious here, so you should be fine in the eyes of your opponents. Even so, I might describe the deck as "unique/oddball effects" rather than "chaos" just so opponents don't get the wrong idea and try to eliminate you first because they think your goal is Hive Mind + Undying Flames lol.
As far as the general, have you considered Arjun, the Shifting Flame ? He makes it so that every time you cast a spell, you get a new hand. Pretty chaotic if you ask me! You could fill the deck with unusual effects (like you've done here with Jhoira) so that neither you nor your opponents will know whats coming next. Tasigur, the Golden Fang could be an interesting general as well, since the fact that an opponent chooses the card you get makes it both chaotic and interactive. Ruhan of the Fomori and Atla Palani, Nest Tender are pretty chaotic as well.
These cards might interest you: Chaos Wand , Mindmoil , Stolen Strategy , Charmbreaker Devils , Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar , Shared Fate , Telemin Performance , Proteus Staff , Endless Whispers , Infernal Genesis , Bottomless Pit , Thieving Amalgam , Evolutionary Leap , Oath of Druids
2 months ago
I highly recommend including Bottomless Pit . Best of the 3 mana discard each turn effects.
4 months ago
tim27 hey! While there’s not a real 1:1 alternative, the important feature is to keep opponent’s hand sizes low. Cards like Words of Waste are okay in this regard and you can activate this for your draw for turn which can be a double-edged sword, but works at keeping each opponent’s hands at a minimum. Other than that, Oppression and Bottomless Pit were both originally in my list and serve as great universal stax pieces.
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4 months ago
4 months ago
Liliana of the Veil is amazing, though unfortunately she is a lot of money. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is a more affordable alternative -- and if you can flip her fast and consistently, she's arguably just as good. Liliana Vess is also good, but I think she's significantly worse than the aforementioned. If you run some Lilies, Liliana's Triumph becomes even more powerful.
Considering how much of your creatures are under three power, you might want to consider Meekstone if your meta is into the whole attacking thing.
Night of Souls' Betrayal seems like it'd be super dorky in this deck. Your x/1s (like Dusk Legion Zealot ) would die and come back every turn so long as your general is down, so you'd get their triggers on every end step. This will require a lot of build-around, but keep it in mind because it's kinda super powerful.
5 months ago
I see you found a card simulator to Black Vise that works the opposite.
The Rack with Bottomless Pit seems like a great combo! Also I thought you didn’t want a combo deck. But seems like a lot slower way of winning a game. Especially if you take out most of your creatures.
I like your first idea, it’s simple. Clear the field so big guys can swing.