Cunning Lethemancer

Legality

Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Shards of Alara (ALA) Rare

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Cunning Lethemancer

Creature — Human Wizard

At the beginning of your upkeep, each player discards a card.

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Cunning Lethemancer Discussion

AkaAkuma on Lazav the Terrible

5 days ago

Inspiring :)

Cunning Lethemancer seems very interesting. I was questioning if it would be a good addition. My only worries are that it might receive allot of attention from opponents and puts the game in a stalemate. Lore Broker would be more opponent-friendly while achieving the same discard goal, but this might benefit opponents more than us.

Is Trepanation Blade worth it?

Also Vraska's Contempt looks like a good addition!

SirSh4ggy on Is there a Place in ...

1 month ago

There are a few ways to do this. Either speed up your mana accelerants, or slow down the rest of the table. Black has a lot of good access to both, but especially the second.

The Abyss and Magus of the Abyss will slow their board presence, but leave those bigger monsters for you to pick off with Kalitas. Creeping Dread, Cunning Lethemancer, and Mindslicer (if you're feeling mean) will give you hand advantage and slow their tempos.

If you're set on playing this card, it could be a good addition to a Chainer, Dementia Master deck, as you wouldn't have to really cast it at all.

Nordlys on U/b discard

1 month ago

Hi there, i'll share all the knowledge i've gathered after playing discard decks for more than 5 years (i've built monoblack creatureless discard, monoblack creature discard, UB discard, RB discard, Grixis discard, specter discard, etc.).

The first i see here is that you don't have anything to deal with the board, so you'll more than probably die to anything that hits the board, even a simple 3/1 two-drop. Your deck relies too much on damaging your opponent through giving him many cards and forcing him to discard not that many; the only card in your deck that punishes him this way is Liliana's Caress and that's it, it's not reliable. You also run two copies of Painful Quandary which it's ideal mechanics are to punish your opponent for having no hand, but since you are forcing him to draw so many cards, he'll always have the option to discard while playing a spell (only taking 2 damage from Liliana's Caress and only if you have the enchant on the battlefield).

You have many cards that allow you or your opponent to draw and discard cards, but you only have Alms of the Vein to exploit this mechanic, so get rid of those or stick in more madness cards.

The description says "the goal of this deck is to get your opponent as low as possible", but you can't do that quickly by relying only on 4 copies of Liliana's Caress while you'll be recieving lot's of threats and hits. Master of the Feast will for sure get destroyed by any of the thousands removal spells you'll force your opponent to draw, so it won't be dealing too much damage if any.


Suggestions

Let's work on the solution. First of all, you need your deck to have more consistant way to deal damage and you also need to get rid of your opponent's threats until you've reached mid-late game and you can develop your winning mechanics.

  1. Since you have almost no creature, let's take advantage of that so that you can trade one card of yours for many cards of your opponent. Good cards to do this, depending on the money you want to spend are, for example, Drown in Sorrow , Yahenni's Expertise , Languish and Damnation.

  2. You also need to be faster or at least to be able to delay your opponent's strategy. A way of doing this is by disrupting his early moves to wreck his plan. Cards like Inquisition of Kozilek , Thoughtseize , Duress and Despise excell at doing so.

  3. To strenghten the draw and discard engine you have many cards at your disposal. I don't know if you want to keep the deck in the modern format or to build a casual free of legal restriction deck, so I'll recommend a variety of cards like Chains of Mephistopheles , Probe , Wheel and Deal , Ill-Gotten Gains , Urza's Guilt , Anvil of Bogardan , Whispering Madness , Dark Deal , Font of Mythos , Forced Fruition , Geier Reach Sanitarium , Memory Jar and Temple Bell.

  4. You need more cards than Liliana's Caress to punish your opponent for discarding or drawing cards. All of these are good for the task, suit yourself: Underworld Dreams , Psychosis Crawler , Fate Unraveler , Waste Not , Megrim and Words of Waste.

  5. Since you and your opponent will be drawing lots of cards, you will be able to discard cards too or abuse your card-drawing. This does not only work well for madness, but also with delve, retrace and other cards. Consider some of these: Chain of Smog , Last Rites , Big Game Hunter , Raven's Crime , Syphon Life , Cunning Lethemancer , Necrogen Mists , Psychotic Haze , Call to the Netherworld , Dark Withering , Gibbering Descent and also Sphinx's Tutelage.

  6. You'll be forcing your opponent to draw many many cards, so you'll need cards that make him discard more than one to win the trade. Consistant massive discard cards are for example this ones: Brink of Madness , Mindstab , Mind Twist , Mind Shatter or Delirium Skeins.


Which ones and how many

  • Pick the ones you like the most according to their mana costs and their price. Also consider the ammount of black mana symbols in their cost, because you'll be playing a two colors deck.

  • Try to keep it as balanced as you can in terms of cards functions. Maybe 30% draw/discard engine - 30% draw/discard punishment - 20% massive discard - 10% 1drops quality discard - 10% board whipe. You'll have to test and adjust the numbers.

  • I know most of those cards are black, but you can keep it UB if you want to. Best version I've made of this strategy was using Grixis (Blue Black and Red) because there's a lot of red cards that force both players to discard and draw like Burning Inquiry and Reforge the Soul for example. Grixis also enables the use of Nekusar, the Mindrazer , Blightning , Sedraxis Specter , Blazing Specter and Dack Fayden.


I hope it's helpful! Best wishes!

Suns_Champion on Mike Tyson's Nathty Thtackth

2 months ago

Hilariouth! Fanthathtic primer!

Have you thought about Strionic Resonator? You have a ton of triggered abilities including your commander, and some really juicy targets like Cunning Lethemancer and Craterhoof Behemoth.

Possessed Portal is sweet! I've never seen it before! Might try Necropotence to get around it!

Scavenger Grounds is another good piece of graveyard hate I've been using in more and more decks.

wspedroo on Neheb, Hellbent

3 months ago

fastbond_stripmine_crucible well, gibbering descent was in, i just had it replaced for something else i cant remember exactly now.i was saving Cunning Lethemancer to swap it for Necrogen Mists when i could find one, but i suppose i can add descent while i wait for mists..would you suggest anything else other than lethemancer to cut?or maybe any other changes at all? thanks a bunch :)

volttrememaster on Nath Discardable Army

4 months ago

These are all not too expansive (I hope), there are some more expansive variants or single time variants but I am not a fan of those.

Painful Quandary (It hurts if it costs 5 life or a discard per spell for your oppponents) Cunning Lethemancer (This will give you a lot of tokens per turn) Myojin of Night's Reach (Single time only though, great when your opponent just drew a full hand) Mindslicer (Play it when you have no more useful cards in your hand) Anvil of Bogardan (Not the cheapest card money wise) Bottomless Pit Necropotence (You want to draw a lot of cards, losing some life is worth drawing your hand back to 7 every turn) Quest for the Nihil Stone (If you make them discard enough this is a heavy clock to death) Creeping Dread (It's a discard that can deal damage) Larceny (Full swing with all your nath elves, get some through and make up for those that died by discards)

Mandalorian on Delusional Agony

6 months ago

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Here are some more fun ways to make your opponents discard cards and lose life. You mentioned that you just play with your friends, if you play multiplayer games then the cards that say each opponent are especially powerful-

Pox

Smallpox

Raven's Crime

Cunning Lethemancer

Liliana's Specter

Duress

Hymn to Tourach or Unnerve for multiplayer

Other good Mono stuff

Mutilate

Underworld Connections can help refill your hand while emptying your opponents

Gray Merchant of Asphodel

Abhorrent Overlord

Nightmare

Hope this helps trim and focus the deck a bit more and gives you some more ideas to brew with!

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