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diekthx on Young, Dumb, and Broke? Try Me! $40 Tatyova
14 hours ago
Have you thought about Urban Evolution? Bit on the mana costly side, but suped up Explore.
Corrus555 on Green/blue sea monsters copy
6 months ago
Alright let's get dorky. So you want more consistent game and early game. I like your mana ramp and some big boys, I just feel you don't have the early game, you wait for your own board state to get big but only have counter spells to remove threats.
My first list of cards I think can be removed for either lower cost cards or the effects arnt good enough. Urban Evolution to much mana for 3 card draw, the extra land drop isnt enough to justify the mana cost. Seer's Sundial is decent but the recuring cost will slow you down. But with a card like Horn of Greed ,everyone getst the card draw but you should be hitting a land drop every turn realistically. Horn of Greed isnt good with cards that put them onto the battlefield, but playing additional lands will trigger it multiple times for you, free effect for doing what your commander does. it will pay for itself in two turns. Acidic Slime its just slow,I like this better than itWickerbough Elder. Reclamation Sage is better and often the land doesnt matter unless its super competative. or Beast Within will help you with the land removal. meh Stumpsquall Hydra do you really need your CMDR bigger?? slow Sporemound Elder Deep-Fiend meh? like any combos or anything with this? Sharktocrab its cool, but you can only do the effect once, and you dont care about counters, but i see its good for the octopus creature type. Stormtide Leviathan often shoots people in their own foot if you dont have the bottom requirement on your creatures.
lands I dislike,Vivid Creek Vivid Grove tapped and only good for two turns? lands I like are Evolving Wilds Simic Growth Chamber Thornwood Falls Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer better version below. Below link are slow fetches if money is a concern, but you can run them outside your color because they dont have the mana symbol, to bad you can't run other bounce lands. https://www.mtglands.com/main-slowfetches.html https://tappedout.net/mtg-questions/bounce-lands-outside-commanders-color-identity/
Decent cards to replace with Hydra Broodmaster. Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar If you go graveyard recursion consistently she isn't bad Titania, Protector of Argoth if youre using fetches and such. If you do graveyardWorld Shaper The Mending of Dominaria Springbloom Druid early blocker,Harrow Crop Rotation crop R triggers your commander and only costs one. for any land. Zendikar's Roil this doesnt get removed by board clears and makes bigger than 1/1 spores.
Skyshroud Claim any forests. if you do dual shock lands. Fabled Passage if you have the $$$. Myriad Landscape if no $$$. Slippery Karst its good with graveyard synergy but often its cycled unless you need it the first few turns to get to land searches like Cultivate
The best card you should get Azusa, Lost but Seeking Roil Elemental Rapid Hybridization one cost removal of commander worth it. Tatyova, Benthic Druid you need cards that do similar effects as your commander so they cant just shut your deck down with one removal of your CMDR.
Tutor for your big guysFierce Empath This will pay for itslef in one turn Lotus Cobra Good long game card in my opinion that can be used for sac outlet and mana sink to pay into Tireless Tracker
Lands I like Terrain Generator Temple of the False God Hinterland Harbor cheaper than dual shocks, Thats Breeding Pool this is a dual shock land.
Late game cards that are VeRy NiCe but extra Praetor's Counsel Tooth and Nail
To battlefieldWood Elves Farhaven Elf and to hand Sylvan Ranger Ulvenwald Hydra these early game guys get you lands and can chump block, which means you block them with anything big they throw at you, assuming it doesn't have trample
Plenty of more expensive fixes but this is a good start, Let me know if you got some $$$ so I can recommend that. Most these cards should be under 10$ ish.
SufferFromEDHD on Exalted Progenitus's Pro Boxing Ring
6 months ago
Cut Pull from Tomorrow for Sylvan Library.
Cut Mind Unbound for Black Market Connections.
Cut Urban Evolution for Phyrexian Arena.
Cut Torment of Hailfire for Rafiq of the Many.
lagotripha on How can i combine Omnath …
10 months ago
The only must haves in precons are sol ring/signet/tower, and you already have those. Its more about what you like to play than what should be played once you have land search+mana fixing.
Buying singles is almost always cheaper and gets a better result overall.
Reasons not to to do singles - it can be hard to find awkward cards and get them shipped, and shipping costs can tilt things the other way if you need multiple senders.
You can load the deck into here with a copy paste like this to get an idea of the cards and prices.
The deep sea stuff has had a lot printed over the years. If you set CMC to >6 and ask for a blue creature, you'll see a lot of options from Octavia, Living Thesis to Aethersquall Ancient, its all fairly inexpensive and good for commander. There are some decent ones with hexproof/shroud/return to hand if you're tired of them getting hit by condemn and whatnot.
Lands wrath has a fairly solid spine to build on - its mostly search basic so adding islands is simple. You might want to flesh that out with more Cultivate effects and whatnot if you have trouble ramping, but thats about it.
Personally, I'd go for a spells and creature tokens landfall deck, grabbing stuff like Urban Evolution Eureka Moment, Growth Spiral and some creatures like Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy before grabbing bigger stuff like Guile or Liege of the Tangle. But I like drawing cards to make up for less big spells, and sometimes just more big cards does better.
Shaffe_House on This Land is my Land
1 year ago
Other Cards that you could consider cutting
- Ondu Giant => Seedguide Ash this card is one more mana expsive and has to die inorder to get the lands, but could be such a good upside. This dieing with your commander reads ramp 3 draw 3 cards and gain 3 life
- Soratami Mirror-Guard I get what you are doing here, but I feel like there are better payoffs for this
- Timbermaw Larva => Rampaging Brontodon trample is 1,000% better on this card
- Wakeroot Elemental 5 greens for a 5/5? way overcosted
- Wave-Wing Elemental again similar argument to Windrider Eel not that big of an impact
- Wild Wanderer good but could have better options
- Aetherflux Reservoir I know this is good in commander but why? No synergy at all, there has to be a better card slot here
- Elixir of Immortality I used to put this in all of my decks too, but it is counter productive to your stragay with cards like Splendid Reclamation and The Mending of Dominaria
- Wayfarer's Bauble There is better ramp than this in green
- I see why you have Jiang Yanggu but I feel like there is stronger cards than that. I cut the card to tutor Journey for the Elixir for him sorry :(
- There are a bunch of other better than Ranger's Path you could add, I'll show them in the recommendations
- Future Sight and Ominous Seas both seem strange here. I get future sight can draw cards, BUT I feel you should use mana sinks rather than off the top of your library draw
- Ghostly Flicker is on thin ice, like yes you have all the etb creatures but sometimes it is a dead card. meh at best?
Other Cards that you could consider adding
This is where the fun begins and your wallet cries
- You want Nissa, Who Shakes the World great card, it is a mana doubler ramp, and also you just win with the ultimate
- I heard you like ramp try Tireless Provisioner and pick up one for me while you are at it please
- Here is a gaint list of green ramp Harrow , Growth Spiral , Explore , Khalni Heart Expedition , Roiling Regrowth , Grow from the Ashes , Urban Evolution , Migration Path , Natural Connection , Nissa's Renewal , Nylea's Intervention , Spring / Mind , Animist's Awakening , Omen of the Hunt
- Keeping your life total at a high level Kazandu Nectarpot , Grazing Gladehart , Retreat to Kazandu , Jaddi Offshoot
- Mana Sinks, you are going to have a lot of mana, might as well do something with it Kamahl's Druidic Vow ummm.... yes? Kefnet the Mindful one of my favorite Gods, that doesn't have a place. I look forward to getting attacked by him Sprout Swarm it is really easy for this card to be "free"
Win Cons Blackblade Reforged yes, all the yes Kamahl’s Will All the lands become creatures lol Crash of Rhino Beetles oh crap a 15/15 oh no Oran-Rief Hydra meh, but it could be good?
Other just good cards Frilled Mystic , Trygon Predator , Plasm Capture Gush , Tragic Lesson , Simic Charm , Rampage of the Clans
That is all I can think of at the moment. I'm sure I'll have more la
BiggRedd54 on Ramos Mutate
2 years ago
Your curve is too high. Cut down on some fours and add some twos and threes. Consider significant ramp improvement. Take out Crystals and use multi color ramp/card draw spells. Consider enchantments over artifacts except for a few. Growth Spiral , Urban Evolution , Journey to Eternity Flip, and Manamorphose The mythos won’t play into your commander’s strategy.
Check out all the charms in magic history, most offer versatility on top of food for hungry Ramos. Boros Charm + Abzan Charm would be bangers here.
I like where you are going with this, but Ramos is a tank. Use it wisely.
Harkus959 on Eye of a Gatelord
2 years ago
For more lands, I can suggest Mina and Denn, Wildborn and Urban Evolution. They both help you ramp out lands faster, and they're in Gruul and Simic colours respectively, so Niv can grab them from your deck for you. Something that may be worth looking into if you're just after mana are the borderposts from Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. They're mana rocks that are in guild colours in their cost, and in what they produce.
Maze's End will rule the day!
Optimator on Giant's Deck
2 years ago
The amount of utility cards that facilitates for a large-creature/stompy deck (like giant tribal) is completely unparalleled and unrivaled. There are things--both budget and expensive--like Garruk's Uprising, Soul's Majesty, Hunter's Insight, Snake Umbra, Triumph of Ferocity, Lead the Stampede, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Abundance, Rhythm of the Wild, Selvala's Stampede, Shamanic Revelation, Elemental Bond, Colossal Majesty, Guardian Project, Rancor, Primal Rage, Heroic Intervention, Wrap in Vigor, Golgari Charm, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Canopy Cover, Aspect of Mongoose, Alpha Authority, Asceticism, Defense of the Heart, Lignify, Lurking Predators, Bow of Nylea, The Great Henge, Eerie Ultimatum, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Reap the Past, Genesis Ultimatum, Beastmaster Ascension, Overwhelming Stampede...
The list is huge, and it grows every year.
This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. One big advantage of Green's land-based ramp is things like Planar Cleansing, Hour of Revelation, Play of the Game, Bane of Progress, Creeping Corrosion, and Merciless Eviction can't send you back to the stone age by destroying all your mana rocks.
Everything you will want to be doing with Giant Tribal, Green supports and supports well. I cannot stress this enough. Not to mention the good green giants that keep getting printed.
Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. Personally I like cards like Damnable Pact, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost but if you're running Green and/or Blue you shouldn't need to lose life to draw cards. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard.
Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) so you could run things like Mortify, Despark, Utter End, Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking, Dreadbore, Terminate, Bedevil and Ruinous Ultimatum. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out.
Things like Phyrexian Reclamation, Animate Dead, and Reanimate are great for creature decks. Palace Siege is all right on a budget. So is Twilight's Call. It's no Oversold Cemetery or Meren of Clan Nel Toth or Rise of the Dark Realms but those are pricey. Recovering from boardwipes will be important.
Blue has some interesting removal options like Curse of the Swine, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Reality Shift. You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? That alone is a great reason to run Blue in your deck (it's literally one of the best cards in EDH straight-up). Do it!
Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. Green has some amazing card-draw already but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to supplement it with Blue cards. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm.
Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Not necessary though. Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. There are lots of 3-cmc options too but the mana difference between 2 and 3 is huge.
You could even run some interesting charms like Abzan Charm or Esper Charm. There are some surprisingly potent options. Some are stinkers of course.
Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck.
Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green.
Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. Four or five colors would allow you to run that.
Urban Evolution would be good in a big-mana deck like this. Inspired Ultimatum, while not amazing, is playable.
You get the idea.
As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants.
One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. Card advantage like Phyrexian Reclamation, Palace Siege, Seasons Past, All Suns' Dawn, Reap the Past, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Eerie Ultimatum, and abilities like Mayael the Anima's, Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's, and Kenrith, the Returned King's reanimate ability will help you recover. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great.
Brion Stoutarm is a legitimately good general--he really is!--but not for giant tribal. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. As I mentioned, Iroas, God of Victory and, to a lesser extent, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas would make better commanders if you are dead-set on Boros colors (which I do not recommend if you want to play maximum giants). If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck.
I really do think you'll be happier in the long run with a different commander It doesn't have to be expensive. Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! I want you to be satisfied with your deck! It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive.
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