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Twilight's Call Discussion
7 months ago
@CommanderBrutti looks like a great card thanks for sending it my way, I'll have to think about putting it in my build. First thought would be to replace Twilight's Call or Rise of the Dark Realms with this one.
10 months ago
The amount of utility cards that facilitates for a large-creature/stompy deck (like giant tribal) is completely unparalleled and unrivaled. There are things--both budget and expensive--like Garruk's Uprising, Soul's Majesty, Hunter's Insight, Snake Umbra, Triumph of Ferocity, Lead the Stampede, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Abundance, Rhythm of the Wild, Selvala's Stampede, Shamanic Revelation, Elemental Bond, Colossal Majesty, Guardian Project, Rancor, Primal Rage, Heroic Intervention, Wrap in Vigor, Golgari Charm, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Canopy Cover, Aspect of Mongoose, Alpha Authority, Asceticism, Defense of the Heart, Lignify, Lurking Predators, Bow of Nylea, The Great Henge, Eerie Ultimatum, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Reap the Past, Genesis Ultimatum, Beastmaster Ascension, Overwhelming Stampede...
The list is huge, and it grows every year.
This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. One big advantage of Green's land-based ramp is things like Planar Cleansing, Hour of Revelation, Play of the Game, Bane of Progress, Creeping Corrosion, and Merciless Eviction can't send you back to the stone age by destroying all your mana rocks.
Everything you will want to be doing with Giant Tribal, Green supports and supports well. I cannot stress this enough. Not to mention the good green giants that keep getting printed.
Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. Personally I like cards like Damnable Pact, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost but if you're running Green and/or Blue you shouldn't need to lose life to draw cards. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard.
Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) so you could run things like Mortify, Despark, Utter End, Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking, Dreadbore, Terminate, Bedevil and Ruinous Ultimatum. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out.
Things like Phyrexian Reclamation, Animate Dead, and Reanimate are great for creature decks. Palace Siege is all right on a budget. So is Twilight's Call. It's no Oversold Cemetery or Meren of Clan Nel Toth or Rise of the Dark Realms but those are pricey. Recovering from boardwipes will be important.
Blue has some interesting removal options like Curse of the Swine, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Reality Shift. You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? That alone is a great reason to run Blue in your deck (it's literally one of the best cards in EDH straight-up). Do it!
Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. Green has some amazing card-draw already but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to supplement it with Blue cards. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm.
Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Not necessary though. Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. There are lots of 3-cmc options too but the mana difference between 2 and 3 is huge.
Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck.
Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green.
Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. Four or five colors would allow you to run that.
You get the idea.
As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants.
One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. Card advantage like Phyrexian Reclamation, Palace Siege, Seasons Past, All Suns' Dawn, Reap the Past, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Eerie Ultimatum, and abilities like Mayael the Anima's, Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's, and Kenrith, the Returned King's reanimate ability will help you recover. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great.
Brion Stoutarm is a legitimately good general--he really is!--but not for giant tribal. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. As I mentioned, Iroas, God of Victory and, to a lesser extent, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas would make better commanders if you are dead-set on Boros colors (which I do not recommend if you want to play maximum giants). If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck.
I really do think you'll be happier in the long run with a different commander It doesn't have to be expensive. Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! I want you to be satisfied with your deck! It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive.
10 months ago
Cool deck! I wish the eldrazi processors (e.g. Void Attendant) were better since they interact with Anafenza in a fun way. Could be worth it for the memes though!
You might like these too: Lifeline, Ill-Gotten Gains, Living Death, Empty the Catacombs, Pyrrhic Revival, Twilight's Call, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Dust to Dust, Return to Dust, Barrier Breach
1 year ago
Speaking from experience, I really think that Rat Colony is stronger in EDH than Relentless Rats. The fact that colony counts all your other rats synergizes so well with Marrow-Gnawer. The toughness limitation can actually help you too if you use cards like Skullclamp to get loads of cards, or Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos to punish your opponents' boards. I also love that it's 2 Mana so it is very easy to flood the field with them. I do think that if you do prefer relentless, take out the colonies and go all in with them; in my own deck, I found that they compete for the same space so running both weakened their strengths.
Good luck! :)
1 year ago
Really fun looking deck!
If you feel like you need more mass recursion, I have had success with Balthor the Defiled and Twilight's Call. Soul-Guide Lantern might also be nice to prevent others from benefitting as well as to help counter other graveyard decks.
1 year ago
My theft type of cards are there for a "controlly" way. Since those effects are on creatures i have the abilitiy to threaten the board of my opponents with them.
To River Kelpie: In my games i played this deck this card was one of the best cards. It is hard to remove even on its own because of it's ability. Also the cards you can draw with it is too much to value to cut it. Another reason i think it is quiet good is because it triggers on every player. Midnight Reaper and Nikara, Lair Scavenger are in my mind but i do not love their abilities since they are not a may trigger. What i experienced is that for me it works better when i can control my life. At the moment i think i have enough ways to control it to trigger dethrone everytime i need to. But still those two cards are good cards for this deck. Maybe in the future i reconsider them.
To Dack's Duplicate and the fork effects: I put them in because of the meta i play in. Also i really think those fork effects are a bit underrated in EDH because you often do not see them coming and are good for diffrent situations. I like them more than counterspells because they are more restrictive. For example you will not counter a ramp spell but to copy it when you need the ramp is great. But i fully understand why you will not consider them in your build but for me they worked very well. If you have not already maybe try one or two out if it works for you.
Twilight's Call: I think you are right there. It costs to much and you can lose too much. I think i was to blended by Living Death because that won me the game already. :D That is why i swaped it with more interaction (Swan Song).
Dictate of Erebos and Grave Pact: I considered them at the beginning of the deck but i do not need them really. When i want to clear the board i have other ways and also that is one reason why i put those theft effects in. I look more to Butcher of Malakir because i could protect it more and better than both entchantments. But for seven mana i think it is to high. Maybe as another win con i would put it in.
1 year ago
CyborgAeon Thank you for your post! It's indeed a very interesting idea... It's very similar to the The Gitrog Monster cEDH combo with dredge, I think the combo is better explained by paraphrasing the description from the Gitrog primer (https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gitrog-land-combo/)
With Bone Miser and a "discard outlet" (Skirge Familiar) on the battlefield and a Nightmare Void in our hand, we first discard two shufflers ( Kozilek, Butcher of Truth + Dread for example) to gain 2 black mana (Skirge Familiar). They are both shuffled into the deck. Then we discard Nightmare Void to the outlet to gain 1 black mana (Skirge Familiar). Nightmare Void hits the graveyard, causing Bone Miser's "Whenever you discard a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card." When this trigger resolves, we replace the draw with a dredge, getting Nightmare Void back to our hand and milling two cards in the process. If we run at least two shufflers ( Kozilek, Butcher of Truth + Dread for example) we are always guaranteed to have at least 2 cards on top of our deck, which allows the Dredge trigger to always to happen when we discard Nightmare Void. Thus, we can discard Nightmare Void infinite times through Skirge Familiar and gain infinite black mana. We can finish the game with any finisher (for example Syr Konrad, the Grim).
In other words, the win con becomes: Have both Skirge Familiar and Bone Miser on the field and Nightmare Void in our hand. In my experience playing this deck you rarely win the turn you cast Belz because you usually get interrupted (by countermagic for example). Thus, you always need a plan to try to combo off in the next turns… Here Living Death, Ever After and Twilight's Call can provide combo recursion.
However, the main advantage from the Necrotic Ooze combo is that creature removal is virtually ineffective (because you can restart the loop on top of any interaction). This combo is vulnerable because when the Nightmare Void trigger is on the stack opponents can cast creature removal such as Path of Exile. This is the reason why I swapped it over the Mike-Trike combo.
I do like the fact it requires less cards and I will add the cards to the maybeboard, however I still think it’s better to run the Necrotic Ooze combo for it’s resilience (in spite of the extra damage taken for requiring more cards).
1 year ago
I'm not exactly sure where you're taking your list. are you going for aristocrats? theft? control? it feels a bit spread out at the moment.
it might help to specifically pick one of those themes and go through the list and ask "how does this card contribute to that theme?"
A few cards i'm not sure make sense generally:
you have a lot of Fork effects. is there a particular reason why? if not you may want to consider some less situational cards.
I personally feel Dack's Duplicate doesn't add much, but depending on your meta it might be a good fit.
I don't think Twilight's Call is a good card for you. Living Death is ok since it can be pretty one sided a lot of the time, but generally i've never found I am in great need for mass reanimation effects. I think between Reanimate and Victimize you'll have enough if you need it.
you should also check out the marchesa subreddit and discord server