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Kefnet the Mindful
Legendary Creature — God
Kefnet the Careful can't attack or block unless you have seven or more cards in hand.
: Draw a card. Then, you may return a land you control to its owner's hand.
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Kefnet the Mindful Discussion
2 months ago
Just a momentary thought: Budget upgrades could include the land upgrades?
Those seem like excellent includes for once you've purchased the other ones and you're looking to finish the job.
Thanks for the upgrades guide, I've made a lot of use of it, adding some into the mainboard, and reserving a few that will be bought along with the 100 in the list, as a 15 card 'sideboard' of sorts, used to add in cards to power up the deck depending on what strengths I'm playing against.
3 changes I made though:
-Azami, Lady of Scrolls Solemn Simulacrum (I feel like Simulacrum does what Azami wants to do with better consistency, you only really want to be paying UUU for a creature that is its own excellent engine, such as Arcanis. Azami needs way more wizards in the list to really get pumping, and unlike a Simulacrum, players will immediately respond to an Azami, they know it will generate game-winning card advantage, vs flashing in a chump block simulacrum for pure value-town, much faster than Azami's slow roller. Also, colour-less mana fixing. God bless).
I kept Hushwing Gryff when I added Kira to mainboard, and instead dropped Aven Mindcensor for Kira, Great Glass-Spinner. The reason behind this being my playgroup has a krenko, as well as a bunch of other tribals. Tribal ETB's are powerful, I can't say no to keeping a hushwing in my back pocket. If I verse someone I know will play johnny combo, and search their library, I'll change between Censor and Hushwing accordingly.
My version of your list (which I just ordered as a nice christmas present to myself!):
+1 from me!
2 months ago
Thassa, God of the Sea was in the list for the longest time, but I've recently replaced her with Lifecrafter's Bestiary because I prefer the card draw over the unblockable. Also, whilst admittedly it's only one pip, it keeps devotion down. Plus, the devotion the deck provides in the early game often isn't enough to be able to turn on Thassa or Nylea.
I have considered Rhonas the Indomitable heavily and might include him as and when I get a copy of him. Though, what would you recommend removing for him?
For Kefnet the Mindful, I'm not a fan of him as a card and his stipulation of having at least seven cards in hand, even if consistently achievable, doesn't sit comfortably with me.
Thanks for the comment!
2 months ago
The other gods work amazingly well in this deck. Kefnet, Rhonas, Thassa, and even Nylea are really good bodies early on.
2 months ago
Since you have all this card draw already, Kefnet the Mindful. He's really only useful in a mass card draw deck like this, which is why he's not expensive to buy.
3 months ago
Hey elgosu, I've been meaning to make a lands-matter deck for quite some time and this list has really given me the push to finish the brew. I decided to go with Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder for a sort of unconventional 4c lands deck; we don't get too many new cards by adding blue to your Jund build, but they are very powerful. With blue, I saw potential in the following cards:
Hedron Crab (the least exciting one by far, but still decent by all means)
Thrasios, Triton Hero (yet another infinite mana sink)
Kiora, the Crashing Wave (may be a bit lackluster, but you can never have too many "play extra lands" cards)
Kefnet the Mindful (land bounce and draw seems good)
Patron of the Moon (the most exciting for me personally; does wonders with amulet)
Retreat to Coralhelm (there's gotta be an infinite untap combo somewhere in here)
Sunder (our own version of hurkyl's recall)
Trade Routes (seems pretty solid in general as a discard outlet and bounce outlet)
Lastly, we can obviously play more karoos, which works well with amulet. So, if you were to add blue to this list, would you consider adding any of the above cards or any others I haven't mentioned, and what would you take out if you did?
3 months ago
I like the list, how does it fare? I feel like it could have clunky draws...
3 months ago
Alright, awesome! I don't know your meta, so let me know if these suggestions aren't right for you and your playgroup(s).
First off, this is straight up Midrange. A couple counters and removal/control magic cards doesn't make it control.
Secondly, I would focus first on your mana base. The distribution of your lands will depend on the end result of the deck, as in how many black/blue/white symbols are on the card adn how early they appear. Some cheaper lands for esper are Fetid Pools, Irrigated Farmland, Sunken Hollow, and Prairie Stream. These are great choices as they have the basic land types and are able to be fetched with fetchlands, and the cycle effect on the first too can be really hand late game. I'd go with one or the other though, and those also turn on lands like Isolated Chapel, Glacial Fortress, and Drowned Catacomb. If your group plays lands that can be troublesome, cards like Ghost Quarter and Field of Ruin are some great ones that aren't straight up land destruction. I would heavily suggest Field of Ruin over Ghost Quarter though, as it doesn't set YOU back on mana. I would also strongly recommend playing at least 8 basic land cards and at least 25 lands with the amount of high cost cards you have as well.
This kind of deck really does not need Expedition Map, and Elixir of Immortality is really only good if there is an opponent on mill, there are better options if you need life gain. Cards like Wall of Omens, Ruin Raider, Twilight Prophet, Dusk Legion Zealot, Phyrexian Rager, Thassa, God of the Sea or Kefnet the Mindful are all great creatures that can help you draw cards and lands if needed. Spells like Preordain, Serum Visions, Impulse, Painful Truths, Discovery / Dispersal (which can act as removal as well, if need be), and Esper Charm are all well and dandy. If you choose to run any of these, with the kind of deck you're on, I would recommend choosing one of the 1 or 2 cost ones and running four, then run two copies of the 3-cost ones at max.
As for your enchantments, Sorin, Solemn Visitor, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, or Elspeth, Sun's Champion, and Elspeth, Knight-Errant would all be better than True Conviction as they come down much faster (except Sun's Champion), are far easier to cast in a 3-color deck (W-Bla is much easier than WWW), they also give you creatures to flood the board.
The problem with Control Magic, is that it is far easier to get around than regular removal, but if you're adamant on stealing your opponent's toys, Entrancing Melody, Exert Influence for smaller creatures and Connive / Concoct which can double as rebuying a dead creature of yours, or Confiscation Coup paired with cards like Glimmer of Genius, Glint-Sleeve Siphoner, and Aether Hub. I recommend this because Control Magic can be destroyed by enchantment destruction effects adn let your opponent get their things back, especially if you don't have Privileged Position out, speaking of which
I wouldn't run it. Run more counterspells in its place. You don't want to broadcast the whole 'hit me, i'm setting up a hexproof Exquisite-Sanguine combo' and give them targets for their removal. You need to slam those things down and then protect them. Cryptic Command is amazing, and 3 is good enough. Depending on how your playgroup does with counterspells, og Counterspell, Mana Leak, Supreme Will, Ojutai's Command, Silumgar's Command, Negate, Essence Scatter, and Dissolve are all good. Arcane Denial if you want to be nice about it. You want to make them spend the mana on their way to answer your threats and then Dash Hopes (don't play that one, it's funny but not good). With Counterspells, you generally want to spend less mana on it than what you're countering, and they're better in multiplayer games than discard.
If you're playing 1v1 matches, you could go with discard effects over counterspells, but choose one or both. Cards like Duress, Thought Erasure, Divest, Harsh Scrutiny, Persecute, Arterial Flow (bonus points if you're playing with Twilight Prophet and friends with this one), Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize, Castigate, Blackmail, and Hymn to Tourach. You also have Kitesail Freebooter, Tidehollow Sculler, and Brain Maggot. From what you said with liking how your creatures take control, this is the route I would recommend for you, especially Kitesail Freebooters and Thought Erasures since one is a creature and the other can help fix your next draw step.
Once again, run Counterspells or Discard, and preferably counters in multiplayer. The simple reasoning is with discard you spend mana and resources and they don't spend mana and lose resources, counters you both spend mana and resources with you, preferably, spending less mana and quality of resources, and you don't want to tax your mana and resources doing both.
Don't run Riot Control. Don't do it. Run Eerie Interlude instead of Rootborn Defenses as it will trigger and enter the battlefield effects when your creatures come back and get you advantages that way.
Jace is cool, but run those Sorins and Elspeths I mentioned earlier instead, they fit better in your kind of deck.
Some way better creatures for you are Dragonlord Silumgar, Dragonlord Ojutai, Cloudblazer, Restoration Angel, Ravenous Chupacabra, Isareth the Awakener, Vona, Butcher of Magan, Nightveil Predator, Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Hostage Taker, Regal Caracal, Thraben Inspector, Noxious Gearhulk, Torrential Gearhulk, or Cataclysmic Gearhulk. There are so many options out there, and in the end it's your deck so you can make it however you would like. I hope this was at least a little bit of help.
Also, definitely find some room for Swords to Plowshares and Anguished Unmaking. Life is a resource and don't be afraid to spend a little bit or give your opponent some more if it means not letting them win or letting you win.
4 months ago
Okay so first Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle is pretty slow. Yeah he's a land at first, but you have to cast 5 spells while he's a land (which means you can't enchant him w/ auras).
Kefnet the Mindful isn't great, but I guess he's not outstandingly bad.
Masumaro, First to Live, comparable to Kefnet, is going to be restricted by the number of cards in your hand, and that's a max of 7. While a 14/14 is undeniably huge, it will probably draw hate and be removed very before you can enchant it.
Nezahal, Primal Tide is really just not good. I mean he give you no max hand size and he is recursive, kinda, but I don't think that's powerful enough to justify 7 mana.
Overbeing of Myth is a weaker Masumaro.
Prime Speaker Zegana requires you to have another large creature.
Psychosis Crawler will get you hated out of the game immediately.
Tishana, Voice of Thunder will draw you MAYBE 3 cards when it enters. It's only slightly better than Kefnet.
You have a lot of instants and sorceries. Too many counterspells, when your enchantments could deal with any permanents that get played.
There are a lot of cards at the higher end of your mana curve that are either not worth the mana cost or laughably not worth the mana cost. Also your draw synergies would be better devoted to their own deck (see my take on that idea Oreo Fluff). While this is a unique and interesting take on Estrid, it's slow and requires a steady draw engine to work, which requires a shitload of mana to work, which requires Estrid always being out to work, which requires, in the end, some degree of incompetence on your opponents' part. It's a great deck when left to its own devices all game, but that's just not how commander works.
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