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Draw a card for each creature you control.
Ferocious — You gain 4 life for each creature you control with power 4 or greater.
1 week ago
WotC has stated that green's card drawing/card advantage must be related to creatures, such as Elvish Visionary, Collective Unconscious/Shamanic Revelation, or Garruk, Primal Hunter's second ability, which makes Harmonize a color pie break, and I think that green's life gaining should also be reliant upon creatures, to maintain that philosophy.
For example, I believe that Nourish, Weather the Storm and Stream of Life should be regarded as color pie breaks, but Brindle Boar, Obstinate Baloth/Ravenous Baloth, Oracle of Nectars, and Inscription of Abundance are acceptable (Dawnglow Infusion and Heroes' Reunion are acceptable because they contain white).
What does everyone else say about this? Should green's life gaining be reliant upon creatures? And, as a side note, how is Dawnglow Infusion only a sorcery, and not an instant? That severely reduces its utility, in my mind.
1 month ago
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis on Crescendo, I guess it really does have more uses than I originally envisioned, especially if you want to politic with it. It doesn't work with Shamanic Revelation though, since that is sorcery speed, RIP. Hardly a deal breaker though, there's plenty other good stuff it will work with like the Greater Good you linked.
1 month ago
You're not wrong, though with cards like Hanweir Militia Captain Flip blending in to the Cathar churches to recruit cultists, Eldritch Evolution depicting the horror of Emrakul's arrival, I kept Growth Spasm which is a Zendikar set card, only because of its eldrazi involvement, and that it looks eerily similar to Deathbonnet Sprout Flip in the center of the artwork. I've made this deck entirely, foils, pre releases, alt arts; and found for the sake of functioning, with the necessity of ramp and draw for the table's I play at, I permitted Tarkir cards like Shamanic Revelation and Inspiring Call because they happened to be printed in the pre-con, but serve little to no use lore wise, sadly. I wish every set was treated like the warhammer commanders, with every card sporting a specific art to the theme of the plane.
I took out Entreat the Angels for Increasing Devotion in favor of humans; wanting the deck to very much be human focused, that being that rise and downfall of most of Innistrad. Cults within churches, Mikaeus, the Lunarch being one of the first humans to turn corrupt for the likes of evil.
I find Cryptolith Rite a suitable spell as it shows what fear drove humans to do, due to Nahiri, the Harbinger and her personal grudge. The cards I really want to get rid of, if I had Innistrad arts and watermarks to just swap with that'd be even better, but due to lore-specific conflicts; Shamanic Revelation (shaman of Tarkir), Unbreakable Formation (Azorius Guildmates from Ravnica) , Inspiring Call (Khans of Tarkir), Worldly Tutor (Yisan of Shandalar, but as a wandering bard... he might have made it Innistrad, the centipede in his card looks the same as what's been printed in Innistrad for sure), Wild Beastmaster (depicting a Selesnya guild member), Growth Spasm feels more akin to this deck's lore and flavor, seeing as Nahiri brought Eldrazi to the plane, and it getting an Innistrad watermark makes it feel a bit more at home, but were I to intentionally make this a Sigardian (good) humans only deck, I'd switch Cryptolith with Fork in the Road, and Growth Spasm with Reclusive Taxidermist or Avacyn's Pilgrim, Descend upon the Sinful with Terminus, Mikaeus, the Lunarch with Hamlet Captain, Wild Beastmaster with Mentor of the Meek; and several other cards, but the power just isn't there. I had this deck kitted out similarly and against my table, without some leeway for proper play, it bricks if I don't hit any ramp.
Sorry if that sounded preachy, your suggestion is 1000% solid, though I'd slot it in with a different card for the CMC to not vary too much, then replace Cryptolith Rite with another ramp spell so that I'm not missing any slots that could otherwise be used, hell, it still bugs me that I have Moonsilver Key and Avacyn, Angel of Hope who is canonically dead and then some, in the same deck. If you look at my Halana and Alena, Totally Just Roommates and In memory of the Weatherlight. these conflicts in lore occur quite a bit, similarly with my Sacrificial Splicer deck, much to my chagrin; but due to these constraints I find myself having quite a lot of fun building around this challenge when conceptualizing the deck itself.
I just wish some cards that would otherwise be integral to certain strategies had artworks to compliment the commander's they're most often used for, Thornbite Staff & Atla Palani, Nest Tender is a big one for myself, if it had a reprint, it'd be fairly harmless with Sun Empire-specific artwork. Or Impact Tremors that actually has Krenko, Mob Boss's goblins on it. Ashnod's Altar given alternate art that changes its name and makes the art specific to certain lore would be a dream of mine. But that's why we have alts I suppose, and commissioning one isn't the worst, but the wait sure can be murder on your sanity.
1 month ago
2 months ago
Hey, good start, still have 25 cards to cut though which is a lot.
Lets start with cutting noncreature spells and then move to cutting creatures? First cuts to consider:
- Myriad Landscape
- Ash Barrens
- Shamanic Revelation
- Search for Tomorrow
- The Celestus
- Xenagos, the Reveler
You can afford to cut a couple of the subpar lands for five colors. Ash Barrens is fine if you want to spend one mana to fetch a basic land, but if you have to play it as a land then it could slow down being able to cast Jodah too much. Shamanic Revelation is not good draw here for five mana. You're much more likely to have a higher power creature than the same number of creatures equal or more than the amount of power.
There's 40 creatures here, but if I was building this deck I would play only 20 of them which includes both nonLegendary Elders. Some advice to consider is choose the 20-25 best Legendary creatures and cut the others? Since you're not playing hatebears, what you're looking for with Legends are getting value from other Legends or casting spells from exile. How they support Jodah because he's the best attacking creature when you control other Legends.
Using Legendary creatures you're currently playing here's how I would break down the priority areas from Legends to keep:
Those who draw, ramp or find other Legends.
- Sisay, Weatherlight Captain
- Reki, the History of Kamigawa
- Esika, God of the Tree Flip
- Shanid, Sleepers' Scourge
- Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain
- Maelstrom Wanderer
- Rashmi, Eternities Crafter
- Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
- Niambi, Esteemed Speaker
Those who make Jodah a better attacker.
- Halana and Alena, Partners
- Kamiz, Obscura Oculus
- Odric, Lunarch Marshal
- Surrak Dragonclaw
- Arvad the Cursed
Those who help for recovery from removal.
Those who are support, but don't fit into the other areas.
Some Legends within the budget to consider adding:
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hellkite Charger could replace Skanos Dragonheart? Both these Dragons want to attack to trigger abilities, but Skanos needs other Dragons to make it good, Charger doesn't. Skanos can't pump itself and doesn't have evasion, Charger can be part of a combo Skanos can't. Thrakkus the Butcher is a better five drop Dragon with trample who pumps itself as well as all other Dragons you control.
There's another combo you could add that creates infinite Dragons with Astral Dragon and the enabler Cursed Mirror provides a wincon, haste to attack. Could of course have other wincons: Scourge of Valkas, Dragon Tempest or Warstorm Surge. Mirror is a good card, you wouldn't just be adding it for the combo, it's a mana rock that if it becomes a Dragon when it enters then Miirym can copy it.
When you control Cursed Mirror that's not a creature have Astral Dragon enter and copy Mirror. The Mirror tokens then enter as Astral and copy original Mirror that's not a creature and repeat. This creates a loop of Astral and Mirror making copies of each other, each copy of Mirror is a 4/4 Astral Dragon with haste. To break the loop stop copying Mirror with Astral, copy something else.
Sarkhan Unbroken would be another fine upgrade, but not when on a budget. $25 for a nonDragon creature card when on a budget seems not a good use of funds. For $25 you could improve the manabase with many land upgrades Reflecting Pool, more Pain lands (Yavimaya Coast, Shivan Reef), some Bond lands (Spire Garden), some Filter lands (Flooded Grove) or some Check lands (Sulfur Falls, Rootbound Crag). In my opinion when on a budget allocating some of the budget for good lands is more important than adding flashy cards such as Sarkhan.
Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner is less powerful than Sarkhan, but it's also less than $2. Kiora can still do much work as another Temur Ascendancy draw effect as well as give you 7 turns of ramp that can untap any permanent including Sol Ring or an Orb.
Shamanic Revelation could be a cut for some lower mana cost draw since you're more likely to have a higher power Dragon then that same number of Dragon creatures. That's what makes Return of the Wildspeaker and Rishkar's Expertise good draw with Dragons is they have high power. Revelation is better when playing little tribal creatures such as Elves which tend to have quantity of creatures rather than single creature with high power.
2 months ago
Skagra42 Thanks for the sources. Those do demonstrate that Mark is working to remove green's card draw based on number of creatures. If that's the case, then yes, Camaraderie and cards like Shamanic Revelation are bending more.
It would be interesting to know when that decision was made. The two posts you linked, and the link in DemonDragonJ's original post, came from last month. Camaraderie was first printed in 2018. So some time in the last few years, the decision was made to have green card draw, and green effects in general, focus on size, rather than number. If that decision was made shortly after Camaraderie was printed, and set design and production takes several years, then we're just starting to see the effects now.
2 months ago
Skagra42 Which part of Shamanic Revelation do you think is the bend?
As I see it, Collective Unconscious and Regal Force show that can draw cards based on number of creatures, although it's more typically based on power, like Greater Good or Momentous Fall. Both Unconscious and R.Force might also be bends, but I don't think they are.
Momentous Fall bring us to the life gain side. ability to gain big chunks of life has quite a bit of precedent, with cards like Blossoming Wreath, Nourish, and Wandering Stream. Gaining life based on power has become more prevalent recently, but has been around since at least 2006, with Gristleback, and Feed the Pack was printed just before Shamanic Revelation.
Furthermore, S.Revelation has been reprinted in eight different products, and is virtually a staple for precon Commander decks. I don't think a bend card would receive that much exposure, but that's entirely my speculation.
So my interpretation is that while the individual parts may not come together often, every part of Shamanic Revelation is acceptably , with established and demonstrative precedent. is probably the second or third best color for both drawing and life gain, but it's reasonable for it to do both.