Decree of Pain
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Draw a card for each creature destroyed this way.
Cycling (, Discard this card:Draw a Card.)
When you cycle this, all creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
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Decree of Pain Discussion
1 week ago
You would get both the zombie and the treasure.
Sacrifice, destroy, discard, and counter are all keyword actions that ultimately result in a card being put into a graveyard, however. If the card doesn't go there. The action was still performed. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet modifies the result of the action, but does not replace the action with an entirely new one like Eligeth, Crossroads Augur does (replacing a keyword action is rare which is why the example seems so unrelated). This is in contrast to 'dies' which a player is never directed to have something die and does care where a card ends up.
Leyline of the Void won't stop triggers from Negan, The Cold-Blooded , Liliana's Caress , or Lullmage Mentor , nor change the number of cards Decree of Pain would cause you to draw. It will stop Fecundity from letting players draw cards.
1 month ago
I comment while keeping in mind a low budget.
Cut 3 mana ramp when possible:
- Dimir Keyrune -> Talisman of Dominance
- Commander's Sphere -> Arcane Signet
- Dimir Locket -> Star Compass / Springleaf Drum / Paradise Mantle
Cards I'd cut: - 2 lands. 36 is enough if you smooth the curve a bit. - In Garruk's Wake -> Decree of Pain ? Maybe, idk, it depends. But you get more chances to use it, trust me I know something of dimir ramp myself. - Oona, Queen of the Fae -> Be careful. X costs are tough to pay for in dimir and more often than not, paying 5-10 mana to get 2 1/1 farie rogues isn't worth, it wastes your turn. Recall: lands are colorless and most decks you'll face are multi-colored. Oona isn't evena rogue in the first place, so no advantage to attack with her. - Obelisk of Urd -> Not so strong. It buffs all your rogues, but at the cost of using your whole mana pool, or to keep your rogues from attacking. Kinda wastes your turn, and you wanna be fast.
Cards I suggest:
2 months ago
Hey Walrighti, +1!
Congrats on your first deck! You have a lot of fun cards in here and it looks great! I imagine you want to tune and make it even more efficient so here are some ideas...
Add 3 categories: #Combo, #Lifegain, and #Evasion; and then sort your maybeboard the same way you've done your mainboard to easily rank your choices within a category (By "combo" I mean all your "if-then" cards like Trudge Garden that are slower and don't work by themselves). Remove #Creatures (most of them are #Combo).
Avoid most cards above 4 cmc... Willowdusk is fast and fragile, so play into that... Also, prioritize cards that can do 2 or more things or that give value on ETB... If you have pet cards that don't really fit and that hurt to cut, put them in a "I'll build that theme later" list.
-1 Pelakka Wurm
-1 Ezzaroot Channeler ... cut the fatties.
-1 Decree of Pain ... too slow
-1 Bow of Nylea ... meh
-1 Sangromancer ... amazing card but doesn't trigger when you need it to.
-1 Venser's Journal ... also amazing, but too conditional for this build
-1 Ranger's Path ... all your ramp should be on turn 2
-1 Temple of the False God ... this card is almost never good
+1 Devoted Druid ... this card is a beast
+1 Talisman of Resilience ... #Ramp
+1 Llanowar Elves ... #Ramp... the elves enable Willowdusk combos on turn 3.
+1 Viridian Joiner ... #Ramp... #Combo
+1 Killing Wave
+1 Massacre Girl ... #Wipe
+1 Beast Within ... #Removal
+1 Golgari Charm ... #Evasion
~1 Rancor ... Trample and haste are important... #Evasion
~1 Destined ... the choices are really good.
+1 Soul Channeling ... #Combo with Willowbark and stick to the board...
~1 Phyrexian Processor ... fun?
~1 Lurking Evil ... maybe?
~1 Solidarity of Heroes ... #Combo
~1 Ooze Flux ... tokens at instant speed?
~1 Retribution of the Ancients ... removal?
+1 Thought Gorger ... (leaves)
+1 Return of the Wildspeaker ... #Draw
+1 Triskelion ... #Combo
+1 Nighthawk Scavenger ... #Fatty
...Always play at least 10 ramp spells under 3 cmc.
...Playtest and make sure Willowbark consistently makes a fatty (with evasion) before turn 6-7.
Happy building :)
3 months ago
Hey Patrick, just wanted to say I love the content you're putting out, and you've really inspired me to start to look into Higher Power/cEDH decks to build for myself, my first high powered deck last year actually being a budget version of your Teshar list. Your videos are on repeat for me either in the background while I write papers. I would love to join the Patreon and support you, but I barely have enough funds to play magic even right now so that's out of the picture. All I can offer to you is my thanks is the statement that you're probably my favorite MTG YouTuber!
Please don't feel like you have to read any of the following, it's just my ramblings/a few questions but it may be a long read so I won't be offended if you don't read it, as I know you don't typically keep budget cards in mind persay. Also hey, if leaving a comment can maybe help this awesome deck of yours to get more traction/attention on tappedout for whatever reason, even better.
I've been building my own Belbe list over the last few days and I had a few questions about potential cards to include? I don't always play in a cEDH meta really but have some really close to cEDH decks like a more 75% Brago, a Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator + Vial Smasher the Fierce Curiosity control, and Godo Helm fairly often. I'm hoping to transition more towards cEDH in general and with this deck in particular.
As a college student with no real source of income right now I'm a bit low on funds and we don't typically use proxies in my group, so I don't particularly know if this is a good spot to ask about budget alternatives to the Mike Trike combo, but I figured I might as well give it a shot. I've watched the Cold Brew and the deck tech, but if I forget if you mentioned something from them I apologize when asking about a few cards. Do you have any particularly budget combos you would suggest that maybe you tried during testing? I recall you talking about Gravecrawler loops in the Cold Brew, and I'm thinking of maybe some of those combos as with the Bontu's Monument , Pitiless Plunderer and Carrion Feeder (already in my list) would be a solid win I feel.
Currently I'm mainly running a Protean Hulk line of Disciple of the Vault , Carrion Feeder / Viscera Seer , Melira, Sylvok Outcast , and Lesser Masticore for infinite drain. My meta doesn't run much GY hate so I'm feeling decent with this, but losing one piece usually leads to waffling out. I know you mentioned a Phyrexian Delver line so I may look more into that, maybe getting it and and a one drop sac outlet first plus Putrid Goblin / Blood Artist with the leftover mana for the second Hulk trigger? I'm unsure if that's way too clunky, but I'll have to see.
My back up win is currently a Necrotic Ooze line or two, but not Triskelion / Phyrexian Devourer lines as both together are like, over $60 which is money I can't really shell out right now. Right now I'm doing Devoted Druid + Channeler Initiate and Priest of Titania + Pili-Pala lines for infinite mana of any color. Only current outlet I really have is Walking Ballista , which while good, I can't always rely on with all the artifact hate in my groups. I was thinking of adding more creature outlets maybe as they're easier for me to tutor (only black tutor I have is Diabolic Intent since I was able to trade up for one) Perhaps Ezuri, Renegade Leader since I have Belbe and other dorks (10 Elves Total) or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa as overrun effects that I can sink infinite into? Or maybe something like Tergrid, God of Fright Flip to use the back side for an infinite Torment of Hailfire effect?
There were also one or two cards I wanted to ask you about, just to see if you thought they were decent enough to run in the list.
Bolas's Citadel is something I'm trying to run in my current list. It's been fairly diffuclt to get out with 3 black pips, but with Dark Ritual (which may be cut soon I'm unsure) it's been a nice thing to have, especially when I've been testing Aetherflux Reservoir with it? Maybe add a Sensei's Divining Top (something out of my budget in general, but I do have someone willing to trade me one) for a storm win? I feel like that could be a cool win con that makes use of colorless mana, and the pieces in general aren't bad outside the combo? I do think that with the high CMC of the deck, I will take a ton of damage of Citadel, but I think hitting a few pingers/dorks in a row and just gaining some life might be good actually? I'd love some feedback on that.
Decree of Pain has been working wonders for me. I know Culling Ritual was a godsend, and its a very amazing card in Belbe, but if my meta is very creature dependant I thought I needed more mass removal than just Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Culling Ritual . Toxic Deluge is a bit out of my range right now, so I was trying this and even if it is mana intensive, I think it's a very good card depending on your meta since it can be Cycled for 5 to kill all 2 or less tougness things? The cycling saved me once or twice against a Najeela deck with counter magic known to the table to be up. On the other hand while it costs 8, I've mostly payed for it with Belbe mana and drawn upwards of 6 cards off it.
Chalice of the Void I was able to trade for this and have been enjoying putting it on 0 for the Underworld Breach lines the Malcolm list uses in particular, or to even shut off some 3 cmc commanders after getting Belbe mana. Would it be better to trade this for another stax piece or two such as Static Orb or tanglewire?
Sorry for the long post. I hope you have a good day!
3 months ago
I have a couple of ideas!
Izoni, Thousand-Eyed - you only really get one activation of her token ability, and you have a couple of enchantments that already perform her sacrifice ability
Decree of Pain - pretty high costed boardwipe, when there's others that won't nuke your boardstate in the process
Tragic Slip - Abrupt Decay is much better
Profane Command - there's better X spells that aren't too expensive, like Genesis Wave or Torment of Hailfire . I noticed you're going a heavy mana ramp direction with the deck, which is perfectly fine, just also remember to try and include cards that let you play extra lands if you can (cards like Azusa, Lost but Seeking , which recently was reprinted, and Exploration )
And something else pretty important is that beside ramp spells, you'll also want a few rocks/dorks to supplement yourself. There's a lot of them in-budget, like Elves of Deep Shadow , Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , and the Sakura-Tribe Elder you have in already. Another similar ramp one is Yavimaya Elder for fetching basics and such. For rocks, Golgari Signet , Fellwar Stone , Commander's Sphere , and Talisman of Resilience are cheap in both CMC and price, so see if you can slide any of those in too.
It's probably my hardest suggestion to apply, but as you run through and make edits, try and choose a direction to take the deck as a whole - tokens, or lands - as a focus. Once you start narrowing down the archetype you wanna follow, the cards you need to cut to streamline it will start looking more and more obvious!
3 months ago
thank you for the comment! i made this Edgar midrange deck for my friend (the Luke of the title) who is more into playing than deckbuilding. he bought the vampire precon and it was solid, but it never really could win in our group so i modified it for him. i knew for sure i did not want to go the super-aggro route because it just wouldn't make for fun games. honestly i forgot this was even a public deck, but i'm glad you found it and liked the build. your points are definitely well thought-out and i'm going to consider them! i especially think your point about Decree of Pain is right on, so i will probably replace that with Winds of Abandon . as for Necropolis Regent , it's definitely a good point but Luke notoriously loves putting +1/+1 counters on his creatures so i would have to think about that one before i replace it. however there are definitely some other fun higher CMC (oops i mean MV) vamps that could potentially replace that one. Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord will definitely go into the maybeboard and i'll most likely have Luke slot it in and trial it sometime soon!
4 months ago
Ponder might not be a bad idea and I have a few of them, Gitaxian Probe is also decent for knowing when to save a counter spell and I think I have one of those as well. Three Wishes is a really interesting card that I think would be a lot more fun in commander; I have a couple. Frantic Search might also be decent if you don't like what's in your hand. Cyclonic Rift is also really good and despite it being expensive I'm pretty sure we own one. Talrand, Sky Summoner is also a classic for this kind of deck, and there's also Murmuring Mystic . One of my favs that I think would work really well is The Locust God . Jace's Archivist is really interesting as well and can help you if you're top decking and hurt everyone else, another great option for the same thing is Whispering Madness . Torrential Gearhulk might be slightly pricey but he matches well with what you're doing. Lim-Dul's Vault is also super handy and can be pretty zaney especially for it being cheap. Disallow is pretty crazy too for blocking activated abilities. Bolas's Citadel is also worth looking at. Cursed Totem is really expensive but would also be CRAZY in this deck. Also check out Propaganda .
As far as removal goes, Go for the Throat is always a good option.There's also Slaughter Pact and Force of Despair . Preemptive removal like Sadistic Sacrament would be a great idea as well. Decree of Pain is good but it's mana cost is kind of high; Life's Finale is an equally viable card. Unsommon is super cheap, Boomerang , Undo , Snap , do more or less the same thing.
4 months ago
I see a lot of things that dont synergise very well or cost far too much mana, i would remove Meteor Golem for Artisan of Kozilek i know its slightly more mana but has more versatility and more power. Nirkana Revenant id say is a must because she gives you more mana and can one hit someone, Reanimate , Rise of the Dark Realms , Sepulchral Primordial , Puppeteer Clique , Geth, Lord of the Vault , Chainer, Dementia Master
Malakir Rebirth Flip has no real value in this deck id remove this for Sudden Spoiling or Tragic Slip or Entomb . you need some lower mana tutors at the like Diabolic Tutor , Vampiric Tutor , Exsanguinate would be good to help balance the life. board wipes like Necromantic Selection , Decree of Pain and Black Sun's Zenith . Nim Deathmantle . things like Grave Pact woundn't be a bad idea to add. Mortuary Mire and Crypt of Agadeem
sorry i feel like ive just ripped apart the deck