Mina and Denn, Wildborn
Legendary Creature — Elf Ally
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn.
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Mina and Denn, Wildborn Discussion
1 day ago
I think you need to cut a lot of stuff... You'll need 40+ lands for a landfall deck I think. You've got so many cards that allow you to play additional lands. You might not have that many lands to get the value out of those cards, even if you could play lands from GY.
I think in the deck, there's 3 kinds of cards to fit the theme of what you're doing:
- Small/medium stuff which both ramps and boosts landfall at the same time like Oracle of Mul Daya
- Then it's big powerful board state changing stuff that your general will cheat from GY, like Roil Elemental
- Utility for answers to opponent like Ingot Chewer and Demonic Tutor to control the board
Once you have the cards for (1), I think you'll be pretty unstoppable. You'll have the mana base to just throw things out. You shouldn't need to worry about card draw because your general can play off the GY. But, I don't think you have enough cards that puts things into GY. If you have a full GY, your general becomes basically tutor any card and cast it for 5 mana, which is ridiculously cheap. Mayael the Anima 's ability, in comparison, costs 6, and you only get to choose from top 5 random cards. I think exploiting the general's ability is the most powerful thing in this deck, but you can't do it without a graveyard.
I think cards that don't fit that theme you've got going should be cut, even if they're powerful cards, because they clunk up your engine. Except Vigor . Bloody Vigor is the best.
Cards I think you want:
Eternal Witness - this card combos with so much, espectially if you got a way to recur it back. It returns any card from graveyard to hand, not just creatures. Great for searching for answers in your GY which aren't elementals.
Hermit Druid - Populates your GY, and nets you a land in hand. Once it's on the board, for 1 mana, you're guaranteed a basic land, and lots of stuff in your GY. It's crazy good utility. But be careful, because 5 colour means you won't have that much room for basics.
Mana Drain - The much better counterspell
Shriekmaw - Does what your Ingot Chewer and Wispmare can do, but to non-black creatures. Is elemental, so can be reused for general. Completes your board control for artifacts, enchantments, and creatures.
Cards I think you might not want:
Avenger of Zendikar - good card, but not amazing value for money IMO. For 7 mana, I think it needs to be a game changer. I know you wanna build +1+1 counters into it, but I think there's just not enough cards for that engine, and you already have too many cards.
Animar, Soul of Elements - If you have your general out, animar doesn't really do much... If you get Animar out early, it doesn't help you cast your general, and those counters will take time to build up, by which time you might as well use your general.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - a 10 mana card that you can't cheat out with your general?
Yarok, the Desecrated - you don't really have that many ETB effects for this to be worthwhile imo.
Sylvan Awakening - why for?
Vampiric Tutor - always good to have a tutor... but it might get in the way since this tutors to the top of your library rather than your hand. So it just interferes with your "play lands off topdeck" cards, which you have a few, and then everyone also gets to see what you've tutored.
Nissa, Vital Force - eh...
Path of Discovery - pretty underwhelming... requires a creature to come down, then you might either get a land in hand, or a +1/1 counter to the creature that just came down. So only 40% of the time or so you'll actually get a land in hand. For 4 mana, you have Oracle of Mul Daya, which is just much better.
Exploration - my experience with exploration is that it peters out quickly. If you play it early, you don't have an engine yet, and you run out of land in a turn or 2. If you play it late, it's a little underwhelming. Rather pay more mana for Mina and Denn, Wildborn , Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya which both sources you lands and let you play them. You also have Muldrotha, the Gravetide , The Gitrog Monster , and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy which also serves similar functions but have other uses.
Growth Spiral - arguably worse than Exploration because it's single use. Effectively does the same thing as farseek because it replaces itself with a card draw, and you get a land on the battlefield in addition to your normal turn land. But worse than farseek because you can't tutor for the card you're drawing, and you need to have 2 lands in hand for it to be worthwhile. Also needs 2 specific coloured mana to play, which you might not have early game in a 5 colour deck.
Icon of Ancestry - costs 3 to use, and needs to tap. You're much better off having something that puts things in graveyard instead because you general only costs 5, and puts it on the battlefield. And you're restricted to elemental cards, which is likely 1/3 or less of your deck. You only get to top deck 3, so it's unreliable and mana inefficient.
Dragonmaster Outcast - it's a strong card, but if you're going to cut something, cut the cards that don't synergize. It's not an elemental, it doesn't put stuff in graveyard, it isn't an answer to something an opponent plays, it doesn't put land on the board or have landfall.
1 month ago
Also, I'd like to see a MDFC that puts one multicolored legendary creature into two sides which add up to the original cost. So Kunoros, Hound of Athreos would become two separate cards name Kunoros, one + or + , or like Nicol Bolas becoming + on each side. The point is that casting both sides adds up to the original casting cost exactly. Each side also must have at least one color (Unless there's a really cool way to justify colorless).
Alternatively, you can separate any of the Two character - one creature card cards. Those are Adrix and Nev, Twincasters , Anax and Cymede , Firesong and Sunspeaker , Gisa and Geralf , Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis , Mina and Denn, Wildborn , and Tibor and Lumia . Also, I don't like Sen Triplets , Shattergang Brothers , or any Trostani for this, as three characters don't divide how I'd like, really.
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1 month ago
My decks tend to have a pattern of meiosis. I started out building a few two-color decks, but in time, I ended up splitting the colors, each half of the deck growing out to their individual outspoken parts.
What started as a Mina and Denn, Wildborn landfall deck, became on one hand a mono green landfall deck with Rhonas the Indomitable in charge, which very recently changed into Omnath, Locus of Mana big green ramp. On the other hand, the red half melded into Etali, Primal Storm big red, big burn deck, that's now helmed by Kumano, Master Yamabushi .
My Athreos, God of Passage aristocrats deck split into Rankle, Master of Pranks and Heliod, God of the Sun the same way, and my The Locust God deck split into Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion and a mono blue deck, now led by Naru Meha, Master Wizard .
Out of the 13 decks I currently have, 8 of them are monocolored and one of them is colorless. The multicolored decks that remain, are held together by synergies that demand more than one, like Boros equipments ( Akiri, Line-Slinger + Arden, Intrepid Archaeologist ) , Jund Sacrifice ( Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire ), Temur Landfall Omnath, Locus of the Roil and 5C Shrines (Golos, by lack of inspiration). But now that I have two different Omnath decks, I have an itch to build the other two Omnaths as well. That's pretty much how my patterns keep changing, a new line connecting current decks usually leads to inspiration to build the next.
I do notice my developed preference for monocolored decks, but I don't feel hindered by this way of thinking. I like leaning into it, finding cool ways within the limits of the color, to make the decks suprising anyway, to make them as interesting as can be for me to play.
2 months ago
Hey, well done on your first real deck. On less than $50 budget you have good card sense :)
Because of low budget all my card suggestions will be $1 or less each.
- Command Tower : staple land of multicolored Commander decks.
- Magus of the Candelabra : can untap X lands.
- Steel Hellkite : can wreck your opponents one at a time with X ability.
- Fierce Empath : to tutor for Flameblast or Hellkite or Wort.
- Hungering Hydra : X creature upgrade.
- Vastwood Hydra : X creature upgrade.
- Mina and Denn, Wildborn : good Gruul creature able to play an additional land per turn and bounce a land to give a creature trample.
- Wild Growth , Fertile Ground , Overgrowth : can take advantage of these land auras for ramp with Magus + Rosheen.
- Mosswort Bridge : interaction with Wildborn to bounce it back to you hand to play it again to hideaway again.
- Cinder Glade
- Gruul Turf
- Temple of Abandon
Cards to consider cutting:
- 4x Mountain
- 2x Forest
- Ivy Elemental
- Veteran Explorer
- Llanowar Visionary
- Gelatinous Genesis
- Dictate of Karametra
- Keeper of Progenitus
- Boundless Realms
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Update: Xyris, the Writhing Storm is now the Commander. Dropped Kraum, Ludevic's Opus and moved Kodama of the East Tree to the 99. Also dropped Regrowth and put in Cryptolith Rite . Still looking for room for Nyxbloom Ancient and Mina and Denn, Wildborn .
3 months ago
Cool deck! I really like the idea of adding blue to get more value out of Borborygmos Enraged . Xyris, the Writhing Storm might work better as your commander though, since it can give you card draw and some bodies on the field. Since it seems like the lands or mostly there to fling, instead of actually using, you got probably use some more alternative ramp sources- like Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger , Nyxbloom Ancient , and/or Cryptolith Rite (which would also go well with Xyris), budget permitting. Mina and Denn, Wildborn also seems like it would be worth looking into. This deck has a lot of potential and I'm excited to see how it continues to improve!
4 months ago
ya, DoomNoodle is totally right
i always get excited about cheating out fatties, but the best eldrazi have to be casted
since your building this in gruul you have access to massive ramp
i would suggest running a search on gruul land matters decks like Omnath, Locus of Rage, Radha, Heart of Keld, & Mina and Denn, Wildborn for insperation