Simic Growth Chamber
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Simic Growth Chamber

Land

Simic Growth Chamber enters the battlefield tapped.

When Simic Growth Chamber enters the battlefield, return a land you control to its owner's hand.

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DreadKhan on Fear of The Deep

6 months ago

Here are a few ideas, maybe something will work for you?

One of my favorite cards in Tatyova is Oboro Breezecaller, this can easily be made mana positive, which makes it very easy to go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm, or to just make mana for you (it helps if you can untap a land that taps for 2, be it Temple of the False God, Guildless Commons, Simic Growth Chamber, or Jungle Basin there are better lands but these untap fine. Another old favorite of mine is Soratami Mirror-Mage, this is also mana neutral at worst (1 mana per land to bounce), and you get to bounce a creature via it. For a bit more money (but you require Islands), you could try Flooded Shoreline, this card is bonkers if you can replay lands/count on hitting 2 Islands. Finally, Tatyova probably shouldn't leave home without Gush, even without Mystic Sanctuary shenanigans it's still a very strong draw spell.

I could be wrong, but I feel like Gretchen Titchwillow is a better card than Zimone? Both are decent fits, but it's very hard to combo off with Zimone in my experience as the lands enter tapped, Gretchen lets you use spare mana to ramp/draw cards at the same time. I think you could easily justify both if you wanted.

At the moment Crop Rotation is pretty cheap, it's a very good card in Tatyova, if you replace a land with a 2 mana land like Temple of the False God you actually ramp yourself (right away with Temple).

Stone-Seeder Hierophant is a really good version of Lotus Cobra if you have lands that tap for more than 1, but it's also another budget Lotus Cobra either way. This card is much better on a higher budget (with stuff like Ashaya, Soul of the Wild especially, or Lotus Field/Lotus Vale), but it should do work here too.

A few more budget fetchlands you could run include Bant Panorama, Terminal Moraine, and Warped Landscape, any of these enters untapped and can find whatever land you want if you have nothing better to do with your resources.

If you've got a lot of lands (and tend to put out some tokens, but not an infinite number), The Great Aurora offers a weird-but-useful board wipe option. As long as you've got a decent board (and run more lands), you'll get enough lands that you aren't hurt very much, spikier decks that are thin on lands get hurt badly, while decks with too many tokens just draw themselves to death.

As Tatyova decks tend to have a fair bit of mana, you might look at Curse of the Swine, and/or Mass Manipulation. Another bigger mana card that can do a huge amount of stuff (almost anything you need really) is Primal Command, I use that and Elixir of Immortality to recycle my graveyard, but I tend to end up in infinite loops pretty easily, so YMMV without strong discard outlets like Mind Over Matter.

If you want a high budget card that has ridiculous synergy, you might take a look at the aforementioned Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, this makes all your creatures into lands, meaning any non-token creature that ETBs will draw you a card, but it also forms various combos. It's hard to find a card that Tatyova wants more in my experience.

It was mentioned already, but 40 lands isn't exactly a ton in Tatyova, you've also got a lot of creatures that benefit from having extra lands in hand. At 40 lands you are at a real risk of missing your 5th land drop, let alone your 6th to draw a card. I run 45, and I often feel like I should run more (keep in mind, at 45 lands you still only 'expect' to have 3.2 lands, so if you have even 1 less than normal you almost certainly have to mulligan, 40 means even more mulligans). In my experience, many ramp spells that normally are worthwhile just aren't in Tatyova when you could just run a land instead (and not have to pay mana for your land drop).

Logics on Fear of The Deep

6 months ago

From a fellow landfall player, I would definitely play more than 40 lands. Sakura-Tribe Scout is almost assuredly on your radar, but being almost 2 dollars I could see how you'd skip it for a budget list. I think it's definitely worth it though. Brokers Hideout is another fetchland for the deck with you having the option to play the whole cycle if you really want for double landfall triggers. Ghost Quarter is also great for dealing with opponent's powerful lands, but can also be an extra landfall trigger in a pinch.

Also, Meloku the Clouded Mirror (and an untaped land) or Simic Growth Chamber + Retreat to Coralhelm + a creature that taps to put a land in + your commander let's you draw your entire deck, which can help you win out of nowhere if you didn't notice that on deck building. Anyway, hope some of this helps!

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM!

6 months ago

Unfortunately, no, and I don't think it is feasible to try to fit it in here with 4x The Mycosynth Gardens either. Prior to that, this would have been a great card, and we could have played a Godless Shrine alongside a third fetch and ran 3-4 each of Golgari Rot Farm and Selesnya Sanctuary (trim on Simic Growth Chambers) with no real downside to speak of.

Now, it fells like a bit too much of an investment for a backup plan. I still think it is a great card, but I don't think I can fit it in here without trading off some explosiveness by making some other cuts I really don't want to.

Spirits on

8 months ago

Hey Zorke,

Ok based on your comment about the combo, I'm basing these recommendations on a:

Tuned tier - Power level 5 (6 usually has a combo) - Win before Turn 14 - "Upgraded Precon". Visual Guide to Power Levels in EDH.

-- Land Base -- Prioritize untapped, Mana colors, Target 33: +Shivan Reef -Island +Yavimaya Coast -Forest +City of Brass -Aether Hub +Mana Confluence -Mountain Valley +Riverglide Pathway  Flip -Simic Growth Chamber +Rootbound Crag -Mountain +Hinterland Harbor -Forest +Sulfur Falls -Mountain +Rejuvenating Springs -Path of Ancestry +Training Center -Rogue's Passage +Spire Garden -Ancient Ziggurat +Boseiju, Who Endures -Island

--Ramp-- Creature preferred +Birds of Paradise -Thought Vessel +Three Visits -Heraldic Banner +The Great Henge -Gilded Lotus (Also important for draw) +Farseek -Harvest Season

--Morph-- +Kadena's Silencer -Stuffy Doll +Icefeather Aven -Keep Safe (Morph flavor) +Echo Tracer -Omnath, Locus of Mana (Morph flavor) +Mistfire Weaver -Forsaken Monument (Morph flavor) +Jeering Instigator -Shaleskin Plower (Morph flavor less salt)

--Draw-- +Fathom Seer -Zendikar Resurgent +Temur Ascendancy -Tomb of the Spirit Dragon +Tishana, Voice of Thunder -Ashcloud Phoenix +Guardian Project -Tidespout Tyrant +Toski, Bearer of Secrets -Fabricate +Garruk's Uprising -Creeping Renaissance

--Offense other than Animar-- +Garruk's Horde -Forest +Artisan of Kozilek -Island +Bane of Bala Ged -Trophy Mage (Pulls 1 unneeded artifact!) +Shrieking Drake -Temur Sabertooth (Non-Infinite Ancestral Statue) +Decimator of the Provinces -Temur War Shaman

--Control-- +Beast Within -Fog

I've left out some salty card for this power level: Cyclonic Rift Ancestral Statue Craterhoof Behemoth Rhystic Study Mystic Remora Dockside Extortionist

Special mention (would need to playtest): Secret Plans (Draw) Solemn Simulacrum (Ramp & Draw) Mulldrifter (Draw) Trail of Mystery (Ramp) Rhythm of the Wild (Don't think you'll see heavy counterspell in power 5)

Could go more less if needed Theres other stuff I didn't suggest because of the morph theme, like Cloud of Faeries, Hullbreaker Horror, Fierce Empath etc.

Hopefully you find some useful ideas here.

shock7123 on Omnath Whole Lotta Lands

8 months ago

Finally, another 4c Omnath player!

Omnath, Locus of Creation is a fun commander that gives you access to the grand majority of all the landfall effects to ever come out in Magic. I will say, though, there are a few things you could add if you wanted to make this deck more competitive. Not sure if that was your plan or not, but here are some suggestions I would make:

Geode Rager can help keep your opponents off your back and swinging at each other, making it easier for you to win. As long as you have a couple landfall token generators out, it isn't too hard to win in a 1v1 situation with this commander.

Felidar Retreat + Kodama of the East Tree + Simic Growth Chamber is a combo that allows you to win the game with literal infinite landfall triggers and infinite tokens being created. You can sub out Simic Growth Chamber for any of the Ravnica bounce lands (of which you have access to 7 total in your colors, including Guildless Commons.) You can also swap out Felidar Retreat for any landfall token generator like Zendikar's Roil, Rampaging Baloths, heck, even Scute Swarm will work. You just need to create a token of some kind whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control.

Valakut Exploration is a great way to give yourself some temporary card advantage while also pinging your opponents for whatever you don't end up casting. Careful with this card, though, as if you don't cast whatever is exiled with it, you don't get it back.

Retreat to Coralhelm can let you tap down creatures you don't want attacking you or give you card selection via a ton of scry effects.

Nissa, Voice of Zendikar is a solid 3-drop walker that lets you get some chump blockers out early, pump any tokens you control, or gain a bunch of life and draw a bunch of cards.

Ancient Greenwarden is a solid effect. It lets you get your fetch lands out of your graveyard to find another land, easy two landfall triggers per turn with that. It also acts as a Panharmonicon for landfall, which is amazing in this deck. With just this, your commander, and a Myriad Landscape or Fabled Passage, you can gain 8 life and add 8 mana for free to your mana pool each turn.

Azusa, Lost but Seeking makes it so that you can consistently get three landfall triggers per turn with just a Ravnica bounce land in your hand. You may not grow the amount of lands in your deck, but it does allow you to get that 4 damage trigger off from your commander consistently.

Tireless Tracker and Tireless Provisioner are the GOAT in a landfall deck. All the treasures, food, or clues you could ever hope for.

Trench Behemoth is a solid value engine that lets you return lands to your hand to protect itself while also forcing a creature to attack whenever you get a landfall trigger. If you have enough tokens, you can take out their big threats if they decide to swing at you with it.

I love my Omnath deck, as I've had it since I pulled a foil version of him from a Zendikar Rising prerelease box. If you want other suggestions, I'm happy to help!

Drayven9309 on Adrix & Nev, Multi-Tokes

11 months ago

Regarding your land base I see you're running Misty Rainforest, but not any of the lands it's 'meant' to fetch - these are dual lands that still have land types and are thus fetchable. Tropical Island, Breeding Pool etc. I don't think you need to run Misty as you're only in two colours and green is the king of ramp, so you're unlikely to be hurting for the right colours as well as cutting 1/10th of your deck's cost.

I don't like to spend a lot of money on my land base (especially in only two colours) but there are some cheap dual lands that are good to throw in, these come in untapped if you fulfill certain conditions (which are reasonably easy to obtain, especially in green) Dreamroot Cascade, Flooded Grove, Hinterland Harbor, Vineglimmer Snarl.

(Simic Growth Chamber is fine to keep - make sure you are bouncing a land you've already tapped for mana though, pro tip)

This is just my opinion so take this with a grain of salt. But I would replace the following lands

Myriad Landscape enters tapped, you're in two colours, one being green so you've got better ramp choices.

Blighted Woodland green has better ramp than this.

Lumbering Falls unless I'm missing something you don't need the utility of having a man-land.

Misty Rainforest expensive mana-fixing and you don't have the other lands needed to make full use of it, and again green has all the ramp options.

Temple of Mystery, Thornwood Falls can be replaced by dual lands that usually come in untapped.

Rejuvenating Springs is fine but I prefer cheaper options.

Again, my opinion, but you seem light on removal and ramp while heavy on land. Most decks run 33-36 land, being in green you could probably get away with 33. Try throwing in some of these Nature's Lore/Three Visits, Vastwood Surge, Growth Spiral, Migration Path, Ordeal of Nylea has some synergy, and if you put it on a creature that already has two or more counters on it, you can sacrifice it the same turn you play it. This is by far a non exhaustive list so feel free to google simic ramp and see what other options there are.

As for removal you'll want to make sure you have removal for not only creatures, but other non-land permanents mainly artifacts and enchantments which can sometimes be difficult depending on your colours (I'm assuming you won't have to deal with problematic lands most of the time). Pongify, Curse of the Swine and, Reality Shift are good picks (Curse of the Swine-ing yourself to create lots of piggies is never not funny and unexpected.)

You don't seem to have any boardwipes, these are cards that, in a panic let you just erase everything from the Battlefield (barring lands, usually) and can be great for when your opponent(s) are simply getting ahead of you in terms of having a developed board-state. The best one you have available is Cyclonic Rift but is a bit pricey, others include Wash Out, Evacuation, Devastation Tide and, Nevinyrral's Disk (for an actual board wipe). Unfortunately Blue really only has options that return things to hand instead of thoroughly destroying or exiling and Green straight up has nothing except anti-flying. They do most of their removal through fighting.

This is turning into an absolute wall of text and I'm getting lazy so I'm just gonna finish here by copying a comment from a YouTube video

Ramp: 10-12

Card Draw: 10

Single Target Removal: 10-12

Board Wipes: 3

Lands: 33-38

Standalone (cards that are effective by themselves/with commander): 25

Enhancers (cards that amplify or are amplified by standalones or commander): 10-12

Enablers (covers a weakness or fills a gap in your strategy): 7-8

Cards on your theme: 30(ish)

Consider overlaps (cards that count in multiple categories) and partials (cards that count as 'half' in a given category. E.g. scry 2 as half a card draw card)

multimedia on My pre made deck needs …

1 year ago

Hey, play more budget lower mana cost ramp that has interaction with Aesi? That way it can potentially be cast before Aesi to help to cast Aesi, but if it's cast after Aesi then it gives you draw.

There's a budget combo you could play with Aesi to draw as much of your library as you want.

Scaled Herbalist taps to put Simic Growth Chamber onto the battlefield, then Retreat to Coralhelm untaps Herbalist. Chamber bounces itself back to your hand and repeat. You can do the combo at instant speed on an opponent's turn as long as Scaled Herbalist or Llanowar Scout can tap and you have Simic Growth Chamber or Guildless Commons in hand. With Aesi draw cards on an opponent's turn and then cast those spells on your turn.

You could take the combo much further with Lotus Cobra or Tireless Provisioner to make infinite mana. Avenger of Zendikar, Rampaging Baloths or Sporemound make infinite tokens for a wincon.

Corrus555 on Green/blue sea monsters copy

1 year ago

Alright let's get dorky. So you want more consistent game and early game. I like your mana ramp and some big boys, I just feel you don't have the early game, you wait for your own board state to get big but only have counter spells to remove threats.

My first list of cards I think can be removed for either lower cost cards or the effects arnt good enough. Urban Evolution to much mana for 3 card draw, the extra land drop isnt enough to justify the mana cost. Seer's Sundial is decent but the recuring cost will slow you down. But with a card like Horn of Greed ,everyone getst the card draw but you should be hitting a land drop every turn realistically. Horn of Greed isnt good with cards that put them onto the battlefield, but playing additional lands will trigger it multiple times for you, free effect for doing what your commander does. it will pay for itself in two turns. Acidic Slime its just slow,I like this better than itWickerbough Elder. Reclamation Sage is better and often the land doesnt matter unless its super competative. or Beast Within will help you with the land removal. meh Stumpsquall Hydra do you really need your CMDR bigger?? slow Sporemound Elder Deep-Fiend meh? like any combos or anything with this? Sharktocrab its cool, but you can only do the effect once, and you dont care about counters, but i see its good for the octopus creature type. Stormtide Leviathan often shoots people in their own foot if you dont have the bottom requirement on your creatures.

lands I dislike,Vivid Creek Vivid Grove tapped and only good for two turns? lands I like are Evolving Wilds Simic Growth Chamber Thornwood Falls Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer better version below. Below link are slow fetches if money is a concern, but you can run them outside your color because they dont have the mana symbol, to bad you can't run other bounce lands. https://www.mtglands.com/main-slowfetches.html https://tappedout.net/mtg-questions/bounce-lands-outside-commanders-color-identity/

Decent cards to replace with Hydra Broodmaster. Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar If you go graveyard recursion consistently she isn't bad Titania, Protector of Argoth if youre using fetches and such. If you do graveyardWorld Shaper The Mending of Dominaria Springbloom Druid early blocker,Harrow Crop Rotation crop R triggers your commander and only costs one. for any land. Zendikar's Roil this doesnt get removed by board clears and makes bigger than 1/1 spores.

Skyshroud Claim any forests. if you do dual shock lands. Fabled Passage if you have the $$$. Myriad Landscape if no $$$. Slippery Karst its good with graveyard synergy but often its cycled unless you need it the first few turns to get to land searches like Cultivate

The best card you should get Azusa, Lost but Seeking Roil Elemental Rapid Hybridization one cost removal of commander worth it. Tatyova, Benthic Druid you need cards that do similar effects as your commander so they cant just shut your deck down with one removal of your CMDR.

Tutor for your big guysFierce Empath This will pay for itslef in one turn Lotus Cobra Good long game card in my opinion that can be used for sac outlet and mana sink to pay into Tireless Tracker

Lands I like Terrain Generator Temple of the False God Hinterland Harbor cheaper than dual shocks, Thats Breeding Pool this is a dual shock land.

Late game cards that are VeRy NiCe but extra Praetor's Counsel Tooth and Nail

To battlefieldWood Elves Farhaven Elf and to hand Sylvan Ranger Ulvenwald Hydra these early game guys get you lands and can chump block, which means you block them with anything big they throw at you, assuming it doesn't have trample

Plenty of more expensive fixes but this is a good start, Let me know if you got some $$$ so I can recommend that. Most these cards should be under 10$ ish.

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