Selvala's Stampede

Sorcery

Council's dilemma - Starting with you, each player votes for wild or free. Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card for each wild vote. Put those creature cards onto the battlefield, then shuffle the rest into your library. You may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield for each free vote.

Discussion (51)

Neotrup on (Why) does Mystic Reflection go …

4 days ago

It does not. If you cast Mystic Reflection in response to Avenger of Zendikar's enter the battlefield ability, you'll make Avenger of Zendikar tokens equal to the number of lands you control, which will in turn make plant tokens equal to the number of lands you control squared. Additionally, on landfall you're plants will get counters equal to the number of Avengers of Zendikar you currently have, which should be one more than the number of lands you controlled at the time. Overall, it's a very powerful play, but it doesn't go infinite.

The reason for this is that Mystic Reflection modifies the next time one or more creatures would enter, not all instances of creatures entering for the remainder of the turn. In fact, if you had a second Mystic Reflection to cast in response to the next Avenger of Zendikar entry trigger, it would only replace one more batch of tokens (a batch being equal to the number of lands you control), not all the triggers on the stack.

In fact, if creatures enter sequentially as part of a single spell or ability, it will only modify the first instance of creatures entering. So if you cast in response to Selvala's Stampede only the 'wild' creatures enter as copies, not the 'free' ones (unless there are no wild votes).

This also means that an opponent could flash in a creature after Mystic Reflection resolves, before Avenger of Zendikar's ability resolves to steel the effect and make it so your plants just enter as plants.

Polaris on Simultaneous ETB triggers?

2 weeks ago

I should mention one other thing for this specific situation, from the rulings on Selvala's Stampede:

The creature cards revealed for the wild votes all enter the battlefield at the same time, followed by the permanent cards put onto the battlefield from your hand for the free votes.

Because creatures are put into play at two different points in the spell's resolution, Terror will only trigger for creatures that it entered with or before (if it comes out in the free step, it won't trigger for creatures from the wild step).

Omniscience_is_life on Simultaneous ETB triggers?

2 weeks ago

If I put two creatures into play at the same time, let's say with a Selvala's Stampede, and one of them is a creature that cares about others entering play, e.g. Terror of the Peaks, does the Terror trigger? Does it see the other entering, or not?

Thanks as always :)

Omniscience_is_life on Neyith & Eldrazi

3 weeks ago

Selvala's Stampede, Summoner's Egg, Sneak Attack, Kodama of the East Tree

TrustyServantPatsy on Cult of Force | Paper

4 weeks ago

Thanks for the suggestions, carpecanum!

I'll definitely consider Illusionist's Bracers and Selvala's Stampede. Both look super cool!

I mention Mayael's Aria only because of nostalgia, I'm not particularly interested in trying to use it as a win-con. I know of cards like Mossbridge Troll that could work to win that way, but the first two modes (+1/+1 counters and gaining life) don't seem that impactful.

Shield of the Oversoul could be interesting, but I'd prefer effects like that on creatures with power 5 or greater. For example, I'm considering Spearbreaker Behemoth.

The creatures you mention are big, but I want my creatures to do more than just that. Especially without trample or evasion already tacked on, Primeval Protector and Gigantosaurus are not that exciting. I could see myself using Nessian Boar, though, since it can clear the way for other attackers.

Thanks for your thoughts :)

carpecanum on Cult of Force | Paper

4 weeks ago

Illusionist's Bracers and Selvala's Stampede

You mention Mayael's Aria but its not here?

Shield of the Oversoul for boss protection

Nessian Boar, Primeval Protector, Gigantosaurus

Optimator on Giant's Deck

2 months ago

The amount of utility cards that facilitates for a large-creature/stompy deck (like giant tribal) is completely unparalleled and unrivaled. There are things--both budget and expensive--like Garruk's Uprising, Soul's Majesty, Hunter's Insight, Snake Umbra, Triumph of Ferocity, Lead the Stampede, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Abundance, Rhythm of the Wild, Selvala's Stampede, Shamanic Revelation, Elemental Bond, Colossal Majesty, Guardian Project, Rancor, Primal Rage, Heroic Intervention, Wrap in Vigor, Golgari Charm, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Canopy Cover, Aspect of Mongoose, Alpha Authority, Asceticism, Defense of the Heart, Lignify, Lurking Predators, Bow of Nylea, The Great Henge, Eerie Ultimatum, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Reap the Past, Genesis Ultimatum, Beastmaster Ascension, Overwhelming Stampede...

The list is huge, and it grows every year.

This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. One big advantage of Green's land-based ramp is things like Planar Cleansing, Hour of Revelation, Play of the Game, Bane of Progress, Creeping Corrosion, and Merciless Eviction can't send you back to the stone age by destroying all your mana rocks.

Everything you will want to be doing with Giant Tribal, Green supports and supports well. I cannot stress this enough. Not to mention the good green giants that keep getting printed.

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Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. Personally I like cards like Damnable Pact, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost but if you're running Green and/or Blue you shouldn't need to lose life to draw cards. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard.

Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) so you could run things like Mortify, Despark, Utter End, Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking, Dreadbore, Terminate, Bedevil and Ruinous Ultimatum. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out.

Things like Phyrexian Reclamation, Animate Dead, and Reanimate are great for creature decks. Palace Siege is all right on a budget. So is Twilight's Call. It's no Oversold Cemetery or Meren of Clan Nel Toth or Rise of the Dark Realms but those are pricey. Recovering from boardwipes will be important.

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Blue has some interesting removal options like Curse of the Swine, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Reality Shift. You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? That alone is a great reason to run Blue in your deck (it's literally one of the best cards in EDH straight-up). Do it!

Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. Green has some amazing card-draw already but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to supplement it with Blue cards. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm.

Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Not necessary though. Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. There are lots of 3-cmc options too but the mana difference between 2 and 3 is huge.

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You could even run some interesting charms like Abzan Charm or Esper Charm. There are some surprisingly potent options. Some are stinkers of course.

Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck.

Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green.

Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. Four or five colors would allow you to run that.

Urban Evolution would be good in a big-mana deck like this. Inspired Ultimatum, while not amazing, is playable.

You get the idea.

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As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants.

One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. Card advantage like Phyrexian Reclamation, Palace Siege, Seasons Past, All Suns' Dawn, Reap the Past, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Eerie Ultimatum, and abilities like Mayael the Anima's, Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's, and Kenrith, the Returned King's reanimate ability will help you recover. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great.

Brion Stoutarm is a legitimately good general--he really is!--but not for giant tribal. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. As I mentioned, Iroas, God of Victory and, to a lesser extent, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas would make better commanders if you are dead-set on Boros colors (which I do not recommend if you want to play maximum giants). If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck.

I really do think you'll be happier in the long run with a different commander It doesn't have to be expensive. Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! I want you to be satisfied with your deck! It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive.

carpecanum on Selvala Big Smash

2 months ago

Selvala's Stampede

I see The Great Aurora up there. To really take advantage of that you should have a card or two that makes a bajillion tokens, like Fungal Sprouting. Then when the smoke clears you have a solid 10 lands in play.