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8 months ago
Raben-schwarz Thanks for the suggestion, and sorry for the three year wait lol, I took out Fierce Empath for Smothering Tithe. I also recently got my hands on Rhystic Study so I will likely be putting it in this deck as I feel it is missing good card draw, possibly instead of Overflowing Insight, or even Planar Bridge. Thoughts?
1 year ago
First things first. Add 22 Island to get up to the card minimum, and round out your lands. You want to cut at least 300$ based on what you've said, so getting rid of Kindred Discovery, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, Cavern of Souls, Sapphire Medallion, Rhystic Study, Cyclonic Rift, and Aether Vial would cut about 335$ off your deck cost. I'd replace 4 or 5 of those cards with islands again to keep your land count where it should be. Don't get me wrong, they're all fantastic, and with a few exceptions would greatly power up the deck from their inclusion. The only ones that I don't think justify their costs in this deck are sapphire medallion, oboro, and aether vial.
Your deck is also a little light on finishers. I personally really like Rite of Replication to suddenly build a huge board, some other great alternatives (at varying price points) are Blatant Thievery or my personal favorite Expropriate.
This is a bit more up to personal choice, but I'm really not a fan of cantrips in a deck like this. If it were me, I'd cut Ponder, Preordain, and Brainstorm for things that are a bit more impactful. You're drawing a lot of cards anyway, so card selection isn't as important as raw draw power. I'd consider something like Overflowing Insight or even something simpler like Weave Fate.
I have no doubt more refinements will become apparent as you playtest, but I hope that helps!
Lord_Grimm on Mizzix
1 year ago
That was fast! Now that we are on v2, I can get a little more detailed.
Cards to cut: Fire Servant - Only works with like 4-5 cards in the deck Desert of the Mindful - It is double the cost of the other 2 cycling lands in the deck Spirebluff Canal - Literally a tap land outside turns 1-3... Jaya's Immolating Inferno - Can only be cast if you have a legendary creature... you have 6 in total Expropriate - This card alone will give this whole build a bad reputation Spelltwine - It is so slow, and weak if there are no good choices in opponents graves Tidings - Honestly, Overflowing Insight would be better, if that is the type of effect you want in this slot Fiery Emancipation - May be good, or 'win more' Sensei's Divining Top - Feels like this is solely to help smooth out your draws
Knowing this deck's success depends on quickly accessing resources, still feels like it may be too slow. If possible adding a few more rocks, and access to proliferate cards like Tezzeret's Gambit to help tick up your counters even if Mizzix is off the board could be subtle steps toward victory. Lastly, 40 lands seems high, and 18 of them are basics. Look over my last comment and try to see if you can slot in some of the other lands I listed. Karn's Bastion seems like an auto-include on this build.
2 years ago
Hey, Monomanamaniac! I'm a big fan of artifacts, and your list looks pretty solid. Here are some suggestions, though:
Hurkyl's Recall, Rebuild, Retract, and to a lesser extent, Reduce to Dreams: With all your zero and one mana artifacts, these are basically an Overflowing Insight for one-seventh of the mana. These bounce spells also ramp you with cards like Sol Ring.
Reckless Fireweaver: Great wincon, just cast all your artifacts, bounce 'em, cast again, bounce again, and boom, you've killed your opponents and drawn 30 cards for about 5 mana.
Krark-Clan Ironworks: If you're sure you'll win, this card is great. Just sac all your artifacts, generate a butt-ton of mana, cast more artifacts, sac, add mana, repeat. Works great with Scrap Mastery, if you want to add that.
Well, hope this helps, and as always, Happy Tapping!
2 years ago
The amount of utility cards that facilitates for a large-creature/stompy deck (like giant tribal) is completely unparalleled and unrivaled. There are things--both budget and expensive--like Garruk's Uprising, Soul's Majesty, Hunter's Insight, Snake Umbra, Triumph of Ferocity, Lead the Stampede, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Abundance, Rhythm of the Wild, Selvala's Stampede, Shamanic Revelation, Elemental Bond, Colossal Majesty, Guardian Project, Rancor, Primal Rage, Heroic Intervention, Wrap in Vigor, Golgari Charm, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Canopy Cover, Aspect of Mongoose, Alpha Authority, Asceticism, Defense of the Heart, Lignify, Lurking Predators, Bow of Nylea, The Great Henge, Eerie Ultimatum, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Reap the Past, Genesis Ultimatum, Beastmaster Ascension, Overwhelming Stampede...
The list is huge, and it grows every year.
This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. One big advantage of Green's land-based ramp is things like Planar Cleansing, Hour of Revelation, Play of the Game, Bane of Progress, Creeping Corrosion, and Merciless Eviction can't send you back to the stone age by destroying all your mana rocks.
Everything you will want to be doing with Giant Tribal, Green supports and supports well. I cannot stress this enough. Not to mention the good green giants that keep getting printed.
Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. Personally I like cards like Damnable Pact, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost but if you're running Green and/or Blue you shouldn't need to lose life to draw cards. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard.
Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) so you could run things like Mortify, Despark, Utter End, Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking, Dreadbore, Terminate, Bedevil and Ruinous Ultimatum. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out.
Things like Phyrexian Reclamation, Animate Dead, and Reanimate are great for creature decks. Palace Siege is all right on a budget. So is Twilight's Call. It's no Oversold Cemetery or Meren of Clan Nel Toth or Rise of the Dark Realms but those are pricey. Recovering from boardwipes will be important.
Blue has some interesting removal options like Curse of the Swine, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Reality Shift. You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? That alone is a great reason to run Blue in your deck (it's literally one of the best cards in EDH straight-up). Do it!
Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. Green has some amazing card-draw already but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to supplement it with Blue cards. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm.
Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Not necessary though. Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. There are lots of 3-cmc options too but the mana difference between 2 and 3 is huge.
Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck.
Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green.
Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. Four or five colors would allow you to run that.
You get the idea.
As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants.
One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. Card advantage like Phyrexian Reclamation, Palace Siege, Seasons Past, All Suns' Dawn, Reap the Past, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Eerie Ultimatum, and abilities like Mayael the Anima's, Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's, and Kenrith, the Returned King's reanimate ability will help you recover. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great.
Brion Stoutarm is a legitimately good general--he really is!--but not for giant tribal. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. As I mentioned, Iroas, God of Victory and, to a lesser extent, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas would make better commanders if you are dead-set on Boros colors (which I do not recommend if you want to play maximum giants). If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck.
I really do think you'll be happier in the long run with a different commander It doesn't have to be expensive. Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! I want you to be satisfied with your deck! It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive.
2 years ago
I have a Gisa & Geralf deck too! Rooftop Experiments (Zombie Tribal).
So you say this decks needs some help. I've looked over it and here are my thoughts:
First off, it looks really good. I love your creature selection. It appears you're going somewhat wide with a "regular" aggro plan, so I'll be basing my suggestions off that. From what I've seen of your other decks you have something of a budget (as do I!) so I'll refrain from just suggesting every big-time upgrade on EDHREC.
One thing is it looks like you only have four or five ramp pieces. Personally I aim for at least eight in all my decks that don't have a ramp strategy, and more for those that do. Perhaps three more? I've found that I really like casting a spell from hand then casting a zombie from the graveyard as much as possible, so you'll be happy with the extra mana. Fellwar Stone is good for the Havengul Lich. Consider Mind Stone, Wayfarer's Bauble, Talisman of Dominance, Star Compass, Sky Diamond, Charcoal Diamond, or perhaps Black Market.
You're also at around five or six card-draw cards. Could be better, but it's not bad--especially since you have so much card advantage coming from the graveyard. Still, hand refills are always nice and it's nice to draw into answers. Windfall is good for graveyard-y decks. Perhaps a big hand-refiller like Mind Spring, Tidings, or Overflowing Insight? You would often have The City's Blessing for Kumena's Awakening if you can't afford a Phyrexian Arena and/or Rhystic Study. Rain of Revelation has a hint of graveyard synergy, and stuff like Reconnaissance Mission and Keep Watch synergize with your go-wide build.
Sidisi, Undead Vizier is premium in Gisa & Geralf decks. Can't recommend her enough. Great way to get Rooftop Storm out!
2 years ago
Seems like you're off to a great start--that's a lot of powerful cards! My most recent deck is Yennett and I adore it. Optimation Agency (Sphinx Tribal). I have a much lower budget/smaler collection and I'm doing something slightly gimmicky with the tribal aspect, but it's still very effective in my circles.
You're running 7.5 ramp pieces; I'd maybe recommend a bit more. Maybe one or two? Those who know know Yennett can be a huge threat so she may get removed a lot. The two boots and Gift of Immortality are pretty clutch, so those and the two counterspells may do you well enough... but it's not a ton of protection. Also, you have some excellent bombs in the Eldrazi and some of your sorceries but if they get stuck in your hand you might wish you had the extra ramp. It would also just help get Yennett out a turn faster and/or empty your hand once she's out. Wayfarer's Bauble, Mana Vault, or Gilded Lotus might be good fits, or any more 3 CMC ramp pieces. I went with all odd-CMC ramp in my deck as a bit of a gimmick but the 2-CMC stuff is really where it's at if you don't mind not flipping them on a Yennett hit. You have a lot of good topdeck manipulators and tutors so maybe running the Signets and Prismatic Lens would be good/better? Your call--it should all work. A turn 3 3-CMC ramper will still get Yennett out early.
You have some excellent cantrips and similar effects, but you don't have much in the way of actual hand refillers. I'd be eager to hear how the deck does without them--especially with all your good tutors and planeswalkers and powerful Yennett bombs. Were it me, though, I would maybe trim a bomb or two and maybe a cute card for some regular card draw. Normally things like Blue Sun's Zenith or Braingeyser or Finale of Revelation would be my suggestion for a non-instant deck with good ramp but it's nice to have draw that Yennett can flip. There are lots of good choices at odd CMCs though!. Phyrexian Arena, Windfall, Rhystic Study, Tidings (underrated card for decks that don't need instants! X cards for X+1 mana is about as good as it gets in the low to mid CMC ranges). Overflowing Insight is a cute one. Read the Bones is on-theme and pretty great for the mana too. Not as much of a "refiller" though, so it's probably closer to the "cantrip" family.
You have a lot of excellent topdeck manipulators, but one last one I'd recommend is Aminatou, the Fateshifter. The ability to put a card from hand on top of the library is fantastic with Yennett. You have pretty much all the good ones that do that though, but if you feel you need more there she is. I'm extremely fond of Soothsaying in Yennett but you have some very powerful cards in the same category so it may not be better than what you have.
In my deck I went heavy on low-CMC removal to fill out the curve and give me something to do on turns before Yennett is out. Personally, I feel you're running a little too little removal. You have lots of board wipes, which I like, but you could use more for artifacts and enchantments in particular. Some of your removal is bounce and some is only good if Miracle'd, so it may be a bit inconsistent. Definitely curious to see how it works for you though!
Is this a real deck you've built or just an exercise? I'd be eager to hear how the deck runs for you! With better cards I'd be curious to see if getting Yennett out and abusing extra turn spells and the like would make up for not having quite as much draw/removal. Could work! Could backfire though if you're on the wrong end of somebody's removal suite.
Anyway, looks great! Yennett is the shit. I hope it's fun!
3 years ago
Welcome to Magic the Gathering, where magical ..... well, you know Btw. The strategy you are reffering to is known as Aristocrats.
Rings of Brighthearth - Synergizes with your commander. If you are were to add fetchlands (lands which grab other basic lands from the deck) such as Prismatic Vista, Verdant Catacombs and others, you can get 2 lands for each fetchland by using rings. You sacrifice the fetchland putting the ability on the stack, then pay 2 mana and copy the ability with rings.
Imp's Mischief - This card does a lot of 2 mana. Lots of spells in MTG target. Removal such as Path to Exile, draw spells like Overflowing Insight, extra turns like Time Warp and even Counterspells target. A cool thing you can do aside from redirecting a spell that has 1 target is the following..... You cast your commander, they cast Counterspell, targetting your commander. You then cast imp's mischief, changing the target of the counterspell to imp's mischief. Imp's mischief resolves. Counterspell tries to resolve and counter imp's mischief but because it is removed from the stack, the counterspell does nothing. Then your commander resolves. Very useful card! Do not overlook it!
I see you already have some decent tutors which is good. Tutors ensure consistency, help you get a combo like Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond. They also help you get whatever you need when you need it, it is black's greatest strength in EDH. Now to discuss weaknesses.....
Black has almost no way to get rid of artifacts and enchantments. If an opponent plays Rest in Peace or something similar, you will find yourself in a tough position. As such, having cards such as Blast Zone, Karn Liberated, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, Ugin, the Ineffable, Meteor Golem, Ratchet Bomb, Lux Cannon and others can be extremely useful.
I don't know what your meta (the group of people you play with) are like and how powerful their decks are, this seems pretty casual. There are lots of cuts and many more cards you can add depending on what you're going for exactly. If you want ideas of other cards to add and/or what to cut, let me know. Mono black EDH is my favorite.