Torment of Hailfire

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Torment of Hailfire

Sorcery

Repeat the following process X times. Each opponent loses 3 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent or discards a card.

Profet93 on Volrath, Voltron Reanimator

1 month ago

Skirge Familiar > Grimore of the dead - Skirge is a combo enabler and while it does cost one more mana, is tutorable and more importantly, more easily recurrable. Not to mention it adds mana. While grimore does have a big payoff, it is widely telegraphed and doesn't give you any upfront investment.

Sheoldred, the Apocalypse + VILIS, BROKER OF BLOOD + Skirge Familiar = Infinite draw triggers. Near-infinite black mana, lifegain, lifegain triggers, card draw, looting and self-discard triggers. Sheoldred is good against blue decks that like to draw a lot as well with a deathtouch bonus

SHEOLDRED, THE APOCALYPSE + Greed + SKIRGE FAMILIAR = Infinite looting, draw triggers, self-discard triggers and Near-infinite lifegain triggers

Asmodeus the Archfiend + Necrotic Ooze + SKIRGE FAMILIAR = Infinite card draw, draw triggers, looting, self-discard and Near-infinite black mana.

SKIRGE FAMILIAR + Peer into the Abyss + Exsanguinate/Torment of Hailfire = GG. Peer is great on it's own. Given you are mono black, you should emphasize a bit more on the big black mana as a fallback incase (or rather, when) your reanimation strategy doesn't pan out given to all the grave hate in EDH (further exacerbated by all your black decks in the meta).

On the note of big black mana, Deserted Temple - Untap coffers + political tool. Thespian's Stage is a potential consideration as well. I know it seemed slow in the previous iteration but some big ramp pieces should be considered as well.

Victimize - Swap from maybeboard to main. It's 3 mana, sac a creature and get 2 back. It's a lot of value for such a cheap cost

Blightsteel Colossus > Kozilek - It serves the anti-mill purpose with high mana and potential alt wincon. Is it not included due to price? He would be much better than the cut suggestions below.

While cutting too many expensive cmc cards goes against the plans, these are just my thoughts of your weakest high cmc cards to consider removing....

Archon of Cruelty - Costs too much for such little impact. 8 mana should be game winning. While I know you're not paying retail, it's the fat of the deck that's ripe for cutting. Even if it said each opponent it's still not worth it.

Archpriest of Shadows - Reminds me of ashling the extinguisher. Not impactful enough, cool ability though. If you do want another 5cmc card to take it's spot, Junji, the Midnight Sky has a nice death trigger that's flexible and helpful.

Dauthi Voidwalker - I'm torn, I do like him a lot. Especially since you said there is mill in the meta. The weakest option for cuts for sure. Just 2 mana that doesn't impact your strategy doesn't seem worth it IMO. If you ran Leyline of the void + helm combo and used this as redundancy that would be one thing.

Hoarding Broodlord - A weird runescarred dragon. 8 mana wins games, not tutoring.

Pathrazer of Ulamog - I get the high cmc is great, but he isn't impactful enough.

Torgaar, Famine Incarnate - Make someone's life 20, nothing crazy.

Strands of Night - Black has better recursion. Losing a land is a harsh penalty.

ChocolatePuma on Toshiro Umezawa Spellslinger/Combo

3 months ago

raggem11 Great suggestion, seeing as I put all of my card draw into the lands. I found that the mana I need for game enders like Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate comes in the late game anyway, so I omitted [Extraplanar lens]. Saves me money on Snow-Covered Swamps as well.

FauxFaux on Card creation challenge

3 months ago

TypicalTimmy, As far as I can recall/find, Malfegor was never a 'Walker himself, however did work for/under Bolas and experimented with planeswalkers, however there is no mention of himself possessing one, or wanting one, as to my knowledge. So, with that being said, I'll complete the challenge, but from a "What if...." perspective.


Malfelgor, Desecrator of Shards

Legendary Planeswalker - Malfegor

Whenever you activate an ability of ~, create a 5/5 Red and Black Demon Dragon Creature Token with Flying.

-4: Destroy up to three target creatures. If those cards would be put into a graveyard, instead put a loyalty counter on ~, then exile that creature.

-X: ~ deals X damage to target Player or Planeswalker. That permanent's controller loses X life, sacrifices X non-land permanents, and discards X cards.

-8: Search your library for up to X Demon or Dragon Creatures where X is the total power of Demon and Dragon creatures you control and reveal them. Put those creatures onto the battlefield. Those creatures gain Haste and Dethrone until the end of the turn.

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Instead of Malfegor taking up WITH Bolas, he instead decides to challenge him. His second minus is very similar to Torment of Hailfire, which could serve as an inspiration for Bolas himself to use it later.

Next Challenge!

So in case for those who weren't aware, almost all the sphinx on Esper, excluding Sharuum the Hegemon, where killed by Demon-Dragon here. Lets rectify that in this hypothetical scenario! Make another Legendary Esper Sphinx!

Azoth2099 on The Price of Power | Rowan EDH

6 months ago

SithDragon33

Hey man, just a heads up - Bond of Agony doesn't quite work here. For example let's say you pay 20 life with Blood Celebrant, activate Rowan, Scion of War's ability and cast Bond of Agony where X = 20. You'll still have to pay another 20 life as an additional cost. Not very good at all.

Also, have you considered Plunge into Darkness or Spoils of the Vault here? With cards like Torment of Hailfire & Crackle with Power in the mix, they're 1-card wincons here. Vampiric Tutor, Grim Tutor & Cruel Tutor also have some serious added benefit with this one.

treeforcorvus on Mardu Vehicles Commander

6 months ago

This deck looks really cool! I really love how incredibly affordable your deck is. For a few more dollars you can add amazing improvements that will significantly improve your deck's power. There's two cards, however, that are a must:

First, Sunforger will cast ANY instant you run, allowing answers straight from your deck AND enables Vial Smasher the Fierce if used outside your turn. Path of Mettle  Flip is a decent repellant, but only if you flip it. More likely it will be an inconsistent killer or chip damage, which will only antagonize your foes, and worse it doesn't synergize with either Partner. Sunforger also makes Akiri and Jor kadeen happy, and its versatility will serve you more accurately.

Second, Mistveil Plains (searchable by Oreskos Explorer btw) pairs spectacularly with Sunforger, allowing you to recycle spent instants. Spectacular.

I recommend these replacements, which give big improvements:

*First of all, Sun Titan and Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle will almost always better targets to reanimate. Second, compare Pyre Zombie to Torment of Hailfire: For 7BB (the cost of return/cast/sac), you'd get 7 instances of "Each opponent loses 3 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent or discards a card". While Hailfire is a prohibitively expensive card, it still highlights how inefficient Pyre Zombie is without your reanimators. Considering the # of vehicles you run, Greasefang is much better.

DreadKhan on $outh $ide $uicide

9 months ago

Not sure it's a realistic add, but Chains of Mephistopheles is pretty hilarious with Oppression out, but if I was only going to run one I think I'd run Chains, it's very good at shrinking people's hands, and it's easier to recover from Oppression than Chains. Black effects that put a card directly into hand dodge this conveniently.

With Platinum Emperion out it'd be sweet to resolve an Ad Nauseam, it's not a 'pay life' effect so it works without life being lost, unlike Peer Into the Abyss this would let you 'draw' as many cards as you want and stop at any time. Obviously terrible if you don't have something like Emperion out, but it's an idea if you want some really crazy games.

It's a total pile of jank usually, but since you only run 1 non-Swamp, have you thought about throwing in Cabal Stronghold, as a 2nd Coffers?

I was hoping there was some reasonable way I could suggest Contamination, but other than as a one turn cycle mana denial effect it didn't seem to work, but I remembered Infernal Darkness also exists! Hopefully you can wait until you have a big mana effect out before casting it, but your deck seems very able to generate large volumes of mana needed to support Cumulative Upkeep for awhile, and most non-Black decks won't be doing very much with only B mana from lands.

Not sure how many I missed Profet93, but the Exquisite Blood combos seem to be a big thing in here. Obviously there is also creature damage, but there might not be enough support to pull that off. This seems like a deck that would get great mileage out of Exsanguinate and Torment of Hailfire, but with this many tutors and that much mana as is he should be able to assemble his combo quickly enough to be a valid deck. The Commander seems to be one of the oldest legal Mono-Black options, with the others in it's set being notoriously bad cards, Baron Sengir is probably the most playable of the Black Legends other than Ihsan. I always liked his Lord Soth vibe, especially since there was a couple books featuring Lord Soth in Ravenloft, where he got tangled up in his own demi-plane by crossing the Big Bad Vampire, Strahd.

GammaStrong on Maga Devotion

10 months ago

You've got a deep removal suite in this deck, so I feel like Black Market could be really good in this list and contribute well to your specific gameplan. And I'm sure you've considered it but I still feel I have to mention Torment of Hailfire as a secondary wincon; your current wincon already enables a win from it without having to do anything different than you already are.

Balinor5 on Nope

10 months ago

@Andramalech Thanks! This is just version 1.0 of this deck. I plan to add more dirtiness to it with some new cards like Cornered Market, but with that I'll have to change up my land base and remove some duplicates.

For some background, our playgroup is 8 people, and we typically have 4-6 people any given Sunday. We play a casual homebrew "budget" 2-headed or 3-headed format. We use vintage as our rules set, meaning we'll allow any cards, but we've had to self restrict cards like Scheming Symmetry and Torment of Hailfire, and make some rules on life loss. Most decks aren't those $4000 turn 1-2 win vintage decks. So a deck like this is really just meant to frustrate the other team, and to help my teammate(s) win. Thanks for the comments, and feel free to throw out any recommendations. :)

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