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Windfall occurrence in decks from the last year
2 weeks ago
Hey! So there are actually various ways that this deck can win, and a lot of them don't require a whole lot of setup, just good tutoring and keeping the right cards. All 4 of the combos (Angel's Draw, Bomberman, Dramatic Scepter, and Thassa's Consultation), are win conditions. With Angel's Draw, you cast Angel's Grace first and just draw whatever you want with Ad Nauseam . Bomberman is an infinite mana combo because Auriok Salvagers lets you return Lion's Eye Diamond . Dramatic Scepter is also infinite mana as long as you have 3 mana in the form of mana rocks and mana dorks, you simply exile Dramatic Reversal with Isochron Scepter . Thassa's Consultation is (arguably) the easiest way to win the game, cause it only costs 3 mana and it's pretty hard to stop unless they have counterspells. Simply play Demonic Consultation and name a card that isn't in your deck, you'll exile your entire deck, and then play Thassa's Oracle and you win the game. Of course usually with infinite mana you'll just be drawing your entire deck out with Thrasios, Triton Hero and you'll usually be putting that infinite mana towards Walking Ballista .
Usually if you're wanting to win you'll be looking for 1-2 tutors in your hand, and a piece of a combo, that way you know how you're gonna do it. Aetherflux Reservoir isn't so much a win condition as it is a great way to bypass decks that eat at your life total, because you also tend to hurt yourself a lot. It just gives you some insurance so when you do finally cast that something big, if it gets stopped you at least have a backup.
As for ways to get to the combos, you'll be looking at any tutor of course, and Birthing Pod is an excellent choice for getting out a creature that you really don't wanna be countered. Usually before you win the game you'll want some form of insurance out on the battlefield, so if you have a win con in hand, the pod, and a one drop mana dork, I recommend using pod to get Grand Abolisher out, cause then they can't stop you from winning the game.
Finally, if you're in a situation where ballista isn't gonna win you the game and next turn you'll lose, or if you simply don't have a way to get oracle out or win by damage, there are ways to simply take over the game with things like Memory's Journey , Noxious Revival , and Windfall , or Timetwister . This is simply a combo that if you have infinite mana and Thrasios out, you'll be able to have infinite of every card in the deck, cause you get to shuffle your graveyard over and over again, and don't forget that if they destroy your infinite mana source at some point you can use Hullbreacher to generate some treasure tokens with this. All you have to do is use either Windfall or Timetwister, shuffle everything basically, draw your cards, use Noxious Revival to put it back on top of your library, draw it, use it again, then Memory's Journey to put Noxious and your card of choice back into the deck.
If you have any other questions, just let me know!
2 weeks ago
Personally, I think in the long run you will get more value from Windfall and how it interacts with your deck than the Teferi's Puzzle Box . Windfall can refill your hand when you run out of cards. Once your hand gets to 1 card, the copy of windfall, there is opportunity if someone in the game has a lot of cards in hand. You cast this and basically refill your grip. It also synergizes with hand denial if Narset is in play when it resolves. On the other hand, Teferi's Puzzle Box scales with how many cards you have in hand. This can be bad for you and help your opponents. If you run out cards, the puzzle box does nothing for you. But your opponents may still be filtering through their libraries depending on hand size. That is bad for you. You also can never control the box but you can control when you cast Windfall . This lets you kind of dictate the impact to the table a little moreso than the draconian aspect of the puzzle box. I just wrote a lot about 2 cards, lol.
The short answer is I would drop the box for Windfall . It just works better for you in this deck.
2 weeks ago
MagicMarc thank you soo much for the look. Regarding Jace, LabMan, and Ageless your thoughts reflect why I made those cuts, so thank you for the reassurance that I made the right cuts.
Treasure Nabber I think was my getting caught up in this very light Pirate theme doing something piratey. I was actually talking to someone on Facebook about this inclusion and yeah, it's going to be swapped out for Narset.
2 weeks ago
cEDH is more of a mindset entering the game, than it is a deck definition. cEDH tables will assume every other deck is as powerful as possible, and do anything necessary to efficiently end the game in their favour as soon as it's able to. That's why by far the most interaction in cEDH is counterspell-like more than wrath- and doomblade-like. There's plenty of cheap, two card combos that can end a game, currently the most popular and efficient wincon is Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation / Tainted Pact . Put the oracle trigger on the stack, exile your deck, let the trigger resolve, and win the game even if they remove the oracle. Creatures beating face is a slow, inefficient way to win the game, gathering 120 damage on opponents just takes longer than tutoring out two cards and playing them.
Casual, focused, and even optimized decks usually just want to "do the thing" envisioned in deckbuilding; play tribal, play a janky 5-card combo, voltron someone to death with all the equipment, proliferate all your planeswalkers and collect the emblems, etc; as many objectives as there's players probably. Everyone steps into the game to have a fun time, see their cards at work, enjoy the game as much as trying to win. This is where the social contract and the salty cards lists come in.
A deck that combos off at turn 2, or blowing up all lands to prevent your opponents from playing magic, being able to counter every spell, Windfall + Hullbreacher ... These things offer a different kind of fun, the fun to try and win, or at least dominate, the game at any cost. Like you'd do in Legacy. That's where Ramble's 60 card grind objections originate. If that's the plan you expect from all opponents, you'll adjust the interaction you include to combat those strategies, just like you'd adjust the number of boardwipes in your deck if everyone around you will play tribal creature decks.
For deckbuilding decisions, this basically means you're going to ask yourself for every card: "is this the best card I can play to help me end the game in my favour?". You'll never play a Worn Powerstone if you could play Mana Crypt . You won't include your pet card Archangel Avacyn Flip just because it makes you think of the time you dominated fnm in 2016. Every card has a purpose, and is optimised for that purpose. Even on a budget, that should be your guidelines for building your deck.
MDFCs, however, are seldom best in slot. Their strength lies in never being worst in slot, because if one side is terrible, the other one can be useful enough so you don't topdeck something useless when you really need to hit action. Bala Ged Recovery Flip is a bad Regrowth on one side, and a bad Forest on the other, but will never be dead in hand because of the versatility. cEDH decks are usually not looking for effects like this, because taplands are horrible for swift and efficient play, and actually playing Regrowth would save you the mana to actually cast that winning spell you're getting back from the graveyard. So Mcat1999 's presumption of: one or two could be good enough, but they usually won't make that much of a splash on the highest power levels, is probably accurate, at least for the MDFCs printed until now.
3 weeks ago
Blaksteele Really nice protoype. Niv-Mizzet, Parun may be one of the most fun commanders in EDH. I really think you have a solid prototype here. Definitely play test it to see what direction you want to take this beast.
A few suggestions:
Niv-Mizzet, Parun loves when you draw cards and casts spells. I would recommend playing less creatures and more spells that net raw card draw. Cards like Oneirophage seem great, but aren't as valuable as triggering Niv-Mizzet's ability. The same is true with creatures like Tolarian Kraken or Nadir Kraken where you have to spend resources on top of drawing cards to trigger an additional effect.
Instead of running the extra creatures, I would trust more in Niv-Mizzet, Parun . Fill your deck with cheap spells that draw cards, and in turn trigger Niv-Mizzet, Parun 's ability to draw extra cards and do damage. Opt , Brainstorm , Wheel and Deal , Windfall , Ponder are all great examples that exploit Niv-Mizzy so well.
*Protection and Interaction*
Niv-Mizzet, Parun 's greatest weaknesses are his mana cost (3 red + 3 blue) and protecting him. This is truly a deck that will probably not win without its commander on the field, so you really need to protect him. You should include a package of instants that will allow you to interact with your opponents' attempts to remove him. Lazotep Plating is a cheap option. Basic control magic will also be very helpful (and each one triggers Niv-Mizzy). Counterspell , Delay , Narset's Reversal , Wizard's Retort etc are all good and affordable options. Consider removing Jaya, Venerated Firemage and Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded to make room for them. These planeswalker seem good, but will almost never net you as much value as other instant/sorceries will.
*Manabase and Mana-fixing*
As noted above, getting down Niv-Mizzet will be tough if you can't mana fix. If you are running 40 lands, make sure you have a way to fix your mana. You're going to need 3 Red and 3 Blue to cast Niv-Mizzet. In a basic land only build, to get Niv-Mizzy out on curve, you'll need to make sure you never miss a land drop and you drop down the right land each drop. Most games you'll lose, will probably be because you can't cast Niv-Mizzy. I'd add tools that make sure that happens. Arcane Signet is an easy add. Expedition Map as well.
As you build your mana base, focus on lands that don't come into play tap but can produce any color mana.
Really great starting place! You got it down to a solid win condition, you have a clear vision on how you're going to get there, and you have themes that support the plan. All you need know is focusing down on those themes a little more and finding more consistent paths to success. Well done for your second build. (Remember to include your manabase, even if its just filled with basic lands... because right now, it looks like you're playing 40 lands. With an average CMC of 3.5, that seems like a lot.)
3 weeks ago
If you're playing a very heavy control theme in commander your win condition is going to probably be a game lock. There are a few different kinds of those. Hard locks will literally stop your opponents from being able to play the game at all. You accomplish this by setting up a situation where they can't cast spells, they can't untap, or they can't generate mana. Soft locks are where you severely diminish an opponents ability to play the game. This is often done by forcing your opponents to discard all of their cards.
The hard locks I would suggest with this are the Karn lock and the Knowledge Pool lock. The Karn lock is very specifically Karn, the Great Creator + Mycosynth Lattice . Your opponents can't activate any abilities of permanents on the battlefield. This means that opponents can't tap anything for mana. The cards are also useful to you individually because Karn, the Great Creator stops opponents from using mana rocks and Mycosynth Lattice helps you cast opponent's spells by allowing you to spend your mana as though it were any color.
The Knowledge Pool lock has only one required card. Knowledge Pool exiles every spell that any player casts from their hand. Players can then cast a spell from the previously exiled cards. This means that a player must cast two spells for anything to resolve. Rule of Law prevents casting any spell after the first spell. Effectively this means to no one can play spells from their hands. But you can cast cards from other players hands if you have Sen Triplets out. This is also true for Arcane Laboratory , Eidolon of Rhetoric , Archon of Emeria , Drannith Magistrate , Teferi, Time Raveler and Ethersworn Canonist to an extent. All of those cards, are also things you use to limit the amount of actions other players can take as a part of your control strategy.
The soft locks all involve preventing players from drawing cards. Narset, Parter of Veils , Hullbreacher , Alms Collector , and Notion Thief . All of these prevent opponents from drawing cards to some extent, which benefits your control plan. The lock is formed when you have one of those pieces out and you cast a spell like Windfall , which makes everyone discard their hand and draw new cards. But they can't, so only you draw new cards. Cards like Windfall are also very strong as they allow you to refill your hand. Similar cards are Echo of Eons , Day's Undoing , Jace's Archivist , Time Reversal , Commit / Memory (Probably pick two or three, not all of them).
You could also use the Laboratory Maniac combos as a win condition, since you are in the right colors for it. It's probably the most common win condition in high powered competitive decks. The way it works is you draw through your entire deck while Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries are on the board then you attempt to draw a card and you win. Similarly, you can draw through your entire deck and then play Thassa's Oracle . The ways you "draw" through your deck are either Tainted Pact , Demonic Consultation , or Doomsday . Because they are common competitive win conditions, some of those pieces are expensive.
Allow me to advise you on getting to these win conditions though. You can tutor for these pieces with Vampiric Tutor , Enlightened Tutor , Demonic Tutor , or similar cards; but you probably would rather draw into them because that also gets you your control cards. Two cards that are surprisingly good for this are Ad Nauseam and Peer into the Abyss . You have to keep the mana cost of spells very low for Ad Nauseam, but it's worth it especially because it was reprinted recently and is only a few dollars I think.
4 weeks ago
jacksonplayz666 I mean, the whole theme of the deck is Kefnet taking a day off from infinite turns.... so, there’s that. It’s in the title and description.
As for a lack of combos; It runs basically the entire cEDH suite of making huge mana, replacing some of the infinite producing pieces, with spell doubling as a way to make gameplay more interesting. But when you get down to it, these are the same wincons. And there are numerous ways to get there.
Anyways, it’s a different take than infinite turns, and is definitely viable. Thanks for checking it out.
1 month ago
Hey, TheoryCrafter, thanks for the comment! First and foremost, I must say that, due to the pandemic, I got very little chance to hang out with my friends to play EDH with, BUT I've continued to follow releases and sets regardless. I came up with an extended update list that I wish I'll be able to share on here too as soon as possible. With this in mind, I'll go onto your comment. I tried to check your deck, but it seems to be private: let me know where to find it and I'll gladly check it out!
Regarding adding cards that give me value when my opponents discard, I tried to avoid them due to the fact that in my pod there is already a Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder wheel/discard deck, so I tried to now follow the same path. Regardless, I have thought about introducing cards like Windfall and Whispering Madness as incremental advantage, but even then, I probably won't include cards like Liliana's Caress .
Graveyard exile effects like Planar Void / Leyline of the Void really mess up my gameplan, since the deck's main wincon relies on using all possible X/X creatures like Consuming Aberration that count cards or creatures in opponent's graveyards (see this deck's description section "The Big Bois"): if graveyards are empty, those creatures won't mill at all. In order to contrast graveyard decks, such that I can mill them without helping them out, I instead included (or will include) cards like Grafdigger's Cage , Weathered Runestone and Silent Gravestone : in this way, graveyards can be full, but nobody will be able to take advantage of it, apart from me.
Evasion is a mild subtheme I will try to add, but instead of Aqueous Form , I was thinking of something more enduring like Thassa, God of the Sea or Dauthi Embrace . It's a good idea, sometimes I face decks with cards that reshuffle graveyards, so being able to knock them out in another way is a good option to have.
As for Ruin Crab and Hedron Crab , I don't really think they mill enough to be relevant during the course of the game, so I left them out. Moreover, I don't run enough fetch-like lands as of now, so I won't really get such an advantage from running those two anyways.
In the update list I mentioned at the start, Fleet Swallower will get swapped out for Maddening Cacophony : it's a good card, can be cats a turn earlier with respect to Swallower and doesn't need haste. The combos are the same as before, so that's a good funcitonal update.
As for tutors, my playgroup banned them. If I were to run some, I would run many other mana-cheaper tutors like Grim Tutor . Regarding commander rules, I have to tell you that, unfortunately, wish effects like the second choice of Mastermind's Acquisition don't work: this is due to the fact that "from outside of the game" really means "from your Sideboard", but in EDH there is no Sideboard. I know, no fun allowed, at least according to WotC.
I'll go onto update the description of this page once I'll get all the new cards I need.