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1 week ago
Hi again realsoupersand,
Had to fly out to Ottawa, ON in Canada for a bit, so back in action.
50% of the time, I win with my primary win-con, which is Buried Alive + Reanimate , generally between T1-4 depending on how much tutoring and mana ramps I have available. It's CMC4, which happens on T1 occassionally, T2/T3 more realistically.
Karmic Guide is a critical component of that combo, also, yes she is playable with Kaalia of the Vast . Also enables Razaketh, the Foulblooded from the graveyard, and provides for sac/tutor. It's usually never a dead draw, and at CMC5 is still playable from hand, on occasion if the game is going on, and the Protection: with Flying also has assisted occasionally. Other than her obvious CMC as just a recursion tool, she's generally been good, and a requirement for the primary win-con.
Angel of Despair is just a Vindicate for CMC7, its ridiculous and only 5/5 flying. However, it's what I ALWAYS Tainted Pact to when Show and Tell + Omniscience , unless they have Leyline of Anticipation it's "usually" good enough. I can tutor Anguished Unmaking , however, I have to give priority up with an Omniscience on the table, so it's far too late by then. Can also destroy other random threats if needed too. She's borderline for sure. Red Elemental Blast is too slow in this case.
Angelic Arbiter was answering the Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge but now it's always Kess, Dissident Mage . Also for Tooth and Nail type encounters (eg: Craterhoof Behemoth ) or any type of haste/recursion. All together stops a few. I usually just put 1 response to any situation, because I just tutor the exclusive solution needed.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope protects against MLD type situations, but she's not difficult to remove anyway, everyone's removal deals with her no problem. If she buys me an extra turn though, it's worth it. Can also put a player on a turn timer or make them act before prepared (no Force of Will for example), sometimes... Not the strongest for sure. Or like a The Gitrog Monster looping destroy maybe...
Balefire Dragon is again, just to solve specific issues or eliminate high value ground targets. Like the others, Tainted Pact to hand whenever, a situation calls for it. I tried to cut back on creature controls (ex: Damnation ) just because its not a creature world, but often creatures can be enablers.
Baneslayer Angel cut, served no purpose other than lifelink for the Hatred but the CMC5 was too much, and only removed a single opponent. Serra Ascendant T1 "usually" puts enough pressure on 1 player (usually )), who is now on a turn timer, spending life for tutoring becomes harder, and sometimes waste time removing it. Statistically found, I was usually nearly 1 turn earlier to win with Serra Ascendant , plus overcharges me for an early Necropotence or Razaketh, the Foulblooded win or Doom Whisperer win.
Phyrexian Arena is tough, high CMC, no return. It still the second highest played card in commander, and I don't know how else to draw? Mardu is a drawing nightmare. Have to think on it, how to deal with it but agreed, same issue is with Bloodgift Demon . I've had Skyline Despot recommended has a same turn impact (draw at EOT), but also, might be ramping oppponents draw too, especially if I have no way to reconnect on attack as Skyline Despot doesn't have trample.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight has the added benefit of removing 1-damage win-cons like Impact Tremors , Blasting Station , Goblin Bombardment , Dragon Tempest (with 1 dragon), Etc... Also puts pressure on. Usually just for a specific application though. I think my interaction package is more similar to a Thoughtseize type application, where if I can't win early, I tutor what I need to address the specific threats, instead of using Instant spell to do them? If that makes sense. Gisela, the Broken Blade i've cut.
Hellkite Tyrant was specifically answering an almost consistent Breya, Etherium Shaper deck. It's been a while since C16 set now, so definitely seeing it less and less. Might help with Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Urza, Lord High Artificer on occasion. It wasn't enough on it's own though, it also needed a Linvala, Keeper of Silence to go with it. Prior to this, I had nothing to compete with Breya, Etherium Shaper , had no way to win.
Lyra Dawnbringer is on my cut list now, might become the Sire Of Insanity or something like that. Mother of Runes works good with Master of Cruelties , also can protect Kaalia of the Vast , makes guys like Balefire Dragon unblockable too, or protects a Razaketh, the Foulblooded and becomes Tutor mana, or blocks an early Infect attack. Slow yes, but has some utility. Also can protect my Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or Worldgorger Dragon causing me to win (instead of lose). It's borderline for sure, have to think about it. Aven Mindcensor feels good, looking for a way to include him as well as the Sire Of Insanity .
Steel Hellkite I tried for over a year, I would either, not be able to connect (no trample), or when I did, not enough mana to get the threat that I really needed to remove. I gave up on Steel Hellkite , also needs a Mother of Runes for support.
Ancient Tomb is back in, can't recall why I removed it. Think it screwed me one game with the colorless, but now that I've removed most of the colorless, it makes sense. Prismatic Vista isn't great, only 2 basics (can put in the snow's but for why), I like that it filters a land out (lower probability of drawing a land), but also destroys my mana-fixing as well, so agreed, unnecessary in this build, but feels weird.
I'm probably going to continue reducing CMC and reducing land counts as you've recommended, but needs some expensive 0-CMC rocks which I don't have, or some resource planning around alt. mana sources.
Overall goal is still to build for cEDH, understanding that consistency isn't going to push into more than a Tier-2.5/3 categorization, so I'll go over High Power again later lol.
Thinking about Interaction, I really don't want to go heavy into that with things like, Dismember or Lightning Bolt would rather let the opponents use their removal, and PRAY that I can sneak through a combo. If I combo T1 it has a fairly high success rate (other than a Pact of Negation which eliminated themselves) usually don't get stopped (Odd Force of Will or Swords to Plowshares here and there), T2 is still decently good, often others are still tutoring for a T3 win, but outside of T3 or beyond, usually I need to wait until someone tries to combo, and then is stopped, before I have a chance. I just go for it whenever I can though, increases winning % over trying to strategically go for it and being too late.
I think perhaps Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast or both perhaps will be handy, Silence I wish it had Split Second (like Teferi's Protection ) because most combos don't have a "sorcery" speed interaction so doesn't stop. Can protect me on the turn I'm going for it like another Grand Abolisher but outside of that not highly useful. Will do some playtesting with it and see if it improves my completion % for combo and increases my combo win % because that's all that matters.
I decided not to go MLD, can Stax/MLD certainly is a strategy, but prefer just to ignore others, and just go for the win myself, win or lose. Plus I don't repopulate my hand nor ramp, so probably just slowing myself down instead of the opponents. Plus I don't have a Ravages of War so would require a financial commitment, would rather focus on finding a way to go for the win on T1-T3 more consistently.
I think if you found Kaalia of the Vast wasn't competitive using MLD before you dissolved that strategy, don't think it's the right course to go down either. Would rather try some out-of-the-box planning, and see if we can get her into a cEDH, which your comments are VERY helpful, and VERY appreciated. Think I've made some decent strides, still waiting for my card order to come in the mail so I can make some more cuts/adds to the deck!
I'll reply on high power shortly since it's lower priority, and hopefully you'll see my deck going in a stronger direction. Pushing that T1 probability up is key. I keep thinking there must be a T1 with Entomb and Goryo's Vengeance that I can do somehow? Razaketh, the Foulblooded would need another enabler, but there must be someone (like Griselbrand aka Griselbanned) to win with? Hmm.
1 week ago
I don't know what your budget it is or how optimized you want this deck but immediate suggestions are a few tutors at the least.
is the cheap everyone goes for until they get better ones.
Beseech the Queen
isn't bad either. There's also
, and more.
If you are playing with death triggers and things dying some good options are Debtors' Knell , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Black Market , and whatnot. Also, you have white! Use Swords to Plowshares ! I'd keep Merciless Eviction as it is a wonderful board wipe but also consider Hour of Revelation . Other good cards are like Anguished Unmaking , Utter End , and Vindicate .
2 weeks ago
Inspiring Veteran , Heavenly Blademaster , Blood Crypt , Godless Shrine , Sacred Foundry , Arid Mesa , Marsh Flats , Bloodstained Mire , Auriok Steelshaper , Mortify , Vindicate , Damnation , Wrath of God , Enlightened Tutor , Sol Ring , Lightning Greaves , Boros Signet , Orzhov Signet , Rakdos Signet , Acclaimed Contender , Hammer of Nazahn , Arcane Signet , Sword of Feast and Famine
Mirran Crusader , Worthy Knight , Righteous Confluence , Despark , Generous Gift , Rakdos Charm , Infiltration Lens , True Conviction , Colossus Hammer , Blackblade Reforged Cavalier of Flame , Sunforger , Ugin, the Ineffable , 2 Mountains, 4 Plains, 2 Swamps
2 weeks ago
It's not super budget, but Vindicate is even better than Bedevil, and you could certainly run both. In legacy, I'd hate to not run any Swords to Plowshares type cards, or even a couple Oblivion Ring , which is crazy versatile, and can give you a win vs a wider range of decks. Otherwise, I'd reduce your mana base a bit in white to add a bit more non-white, IE remove 2 plains for 2 more Dragonskull Summit. You could also try Diabolic Edict , but I don't know if that's better than your white options.
Very quick to start swinging actually, and can swing hard if you can get Belle equipped. Lots of fun to play against. If you like the deck as is, I'd probably go with a label other than Legacy, which is very competitive compared to other formats.
3 weeks ago
To make the game last against aggro strategies you could use Ratchet Bomb as your holy hand grenade (it can get rid of tokens the same turn you cast it, or creatures with converted mana cost 1, 2, 3, relatively fast), or else, you can use Sunscour , although I would put it in the sidedeck because you may play against decks wihtout cratures -thats why i prefer Ratchet Bomb -.
You can also use Runed Halo on yourself. It can prevent black cards with "sacrifice" mechanics, or prevent the damage of a creature full of auras, and help with repetitive red cards focused on life damage.
I recommend Angel of the Dire Hour , and make sure you have 4x Resplendent Angel , after all, they can decide the game all alone. You can also have more Shalai, Voice of Plenty if you think it is necessary, although Voice of All with deathtouch ir more elegant.
Adding an extra color you could also think to exchange all your artifacts for board wipe strategies like Akroma's Vengeance , Merciless Eviction along with the Brave the Elements strategy (to save your creatures). And maybe Profane Procession Flip, Kaya's Guile and Vindicate .
You could also find better lands to match this deck. You are only using "plains". I know it demands some researching, but you gonna have to do it sooner or later.
After this you could focus on a sidedeck against discard, blue counter, or something else. Like Luminarch Ascension , which is already there, and more cards related with the graveyard.
1 month ago
Quick thing about Temple Bell : In playtesting I love how it works with Smothering Tithe and by extension Revel in Riches . Also, as it's cheap in many ways, it helps with gunning toward my second casting of Approach of the Second Sun , not that any card draw wouldn't do the same. While it is about card draw, it's, as you mentioned, a political thing.
I know the deck is very light of artifact and enchantment removal. The focus on creature removal is part flavor, part Mathas, Fiend Seeker synergy. Removing Vindicate for cost purposes was probably not a great call, but I'm not worried yet. I really like Cleansing Nova though, for its price, cost and versatility. Crush Contraband has a good flavor for an inquisition as well. I'll eyeball the removal pile and see what swaps should be made.
1 month ago
Ok, I found a Cruel Celebrant in my box, gonna use this as an additional Zulaport Cutthroat . Probably gonna cut Phyrexian Vault for him, might cut Infernal Offering for a Vindicate . I do rather like Batterskull in the deck.
1 month ago
Thanks for the feedback!
Vindicate occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
WB (Orzhov): 0.69%
WUB (Esper): 0.42%
RBW (Mardu): 0.61%