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2 months ago
I enjoy the Kefnet Turns build, haven't seen it before for this commander and I think its rather neat. You should focus exclusively on assembling your win and remove the extra side cards, like your mill sub-theme. I also think you should replace expensive removal and interaction with cheaper pieces, as you're less likely to cast them off the top with Kefnet. I also think you should add in more ways to discard and also tutor to top of deck. Your combo requires a handful of specific cards and also to be in a specific spot in your library, so topdeck manipulation and tutors help immensely.
My complete list of changes would be
Zndrsplt's Judgement -> Vapor Snag (That card is hard to link to :O )
I think its worth noting
That to combo off, you need Library + Aminatou's Aug + Dino + Turn card + Commander. That requires 4 cards outside your commander, 3 of which are exactly specific. Finding another enabler or outlet to reuse your turn spells or another way to put cards on top would help the consistency of this deck a lot. Running more draw and tutors to topdeck also lets you value copy a turn spell to start chaining turns, and even if you don't hit an infinite loop getting 3 or 4 extra turns will get you much closer to establishing the lock. You should shave off alternate wincons and focus on getting infinite turns, because once you have them you've won.
2 months ago
I don't think you need more combos... I think you need better mana, tutors and card draw to make your current combos more consistent. Running one or two combos is probably good enough, especially since zombie decks tend to be good at the beat-face plan, too. Counter-magic is worth considering, though not everyone likes running it.
Mana: Ramp is a big part of EDH. Having fast, reliable access to your colors is indispensable -- this is part of the reason two-cost rocks are better than three-cost rocks. I think Talisman of Dominance is probably better than Commander's Sphere . It comes down a turn earlier, and it allows you to cast your general turn three. Cards like Charcoal Diamond , Sky Diamond and Coldsteel Heart are also good, though their coming into play tapped is a real setback. Underground River is a land you should consider, as are Morphic Pool and Drowned Catacomb .
Tutors: Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold-standard here, though they're also rather hard to get ahold of. I like Dark Petition and Diabolic Tutor ; you might want to consider Entomb or Buried Alive to get your Gravecrawler and friends into the 'yard. If you include Animate Dead , Reanimate , Necromancy , Exhume and/or Dance of the Dead you can get out your Grave Titan or Overseer of the Damned real fast. Reanimation packages are good.
Card Draw: There're a few cards I think you either didn't know about or overlooked in this area.
Graveborn Muse : This card is BUSTED in zombie decks. Even staying out for just one turn cycle can get you four or five cards easily, making it a way better Phyrexian Arena . If you choose to run something like Whip of Erebos , you can pretty easily recoup the life.
Cantrips: Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are all excellent cards; in Vintage, these are signatures of Xerox-decks. They'll dig you to lands if you need them, and get you past lands if you don't. Note that Brainstorm goes from OK to really good with the inclusion of shuffle-effects, like your Evolving Wilds . Running more of these lands, like Prismatic Vista , Flooded Strand , Polluted Delta , or even just Bad River or Rocky Tar Pit is a good idea.
Treasure Cruise / Dig Through Time : These are good ways to utilize lands or similar non-functional-in-graveyard cards you mill with Gisa and Geralf . Depending on how full your yard typically ends up, running one or both of these is probably a good idea.
Distant Melody : I'm not sure how many zombies you have, but having an average of four or more zombies will make this worth including.
Undead Augur : This card will help you out-draw opponents.
Corpse Harvester : While not technically card-draw, it is a good form of card-advantage. It'll get you both swamps and whatever creature you need. If you include Fetid Pools , Sunken Hollow or Watery Grave , you can fetch those, too.
Fact or Fiction : This is card-draw and self-mill all packed into one card.
Patriarch's Bidding : This is a great way for tribal decks to come back from a boardwipe.
Coat of Arms : This is a lot of mana to invest in an easily-killed artifact, though it is worth considering. This can rather easily pump your guys with +5/+5.
Gray Merchant of Asphodel : This is a good way to recoup life, while at the same time pressuring your opponents' life totals.
Rot Hulk : I'd run this in any zombie deck.
Exclude : In a creature-heavy meta, this is probably worth running as it does not cost card advantage.
Right -- that's all from me. Good luck!
2 months ago
Congrats on your first EDH deck! Here're my suggestions. Feel free to ignore them if you want.
Training Grounds makes Memnarch into : Steal target permanent. I don't know if it'd be great, but it's certainly worth testing out. It's similar to your Heartstone . Power Artifact is similar, though I think slightly worse and far more expensive.
If you have access to it, Mana Vault is a great card. It is especially powerful if combined with something like Aphetto Alchemist or your Voltaic Key . Basalt Monolith and Manifold Key are two other cards to consider in this vein.
Mana rocks like Sky Diamond , Coldsteel Heart or the soon-to-come-out Arcane Signet are good includes to generate blue mana. Fellwar Stone is a similar rock that generally will produce blue, as blue is the most common color in EDH (and the rest of magic).
Running Vintage Xerox cantrips can be very helpful; this means replacing some lands with low cost draw spells. Running cards like Ponder and Preordain in addition to your Brainstorm will allow you to run thirty-two-ish lands. Impulse , Sleight of Hand and even Serum Visions and Gitaxian Probe are good also, though these aren't AS good as Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . Using a Xerox design like this means that you can find lands if you need them, or use the draw spells to avoid getting flooded when you don't.
Pairing Memnarch with Karn, the Great Creator allows you to use your general's first ability to turn off opposing lands. While EDH does not typically have a sideboard, so Karn, the Great Creator 's second ability is usually irrelevant, the one-sided Null Rod effect is probably enough reason to include him.
Regarding your lands, Ancient Tomb is at a relatively low price nowadays; I suggest picking one up if you can. I don't think Darksteel Citadel is as good as a basic Island , if only because it gets shut off by opposing Null Rod s, Karn, the Great Creator s, Blood Moon s and Back to basics and does not produce mana. Same with Seat of the Synod , though this one DOES make mana. I get these lands are meant to build metalcraft; see suggestion 15. Inventors' Fair is worth considering because of its tutor effect.
Vedalken Archmage is a good way to build card-advantage.
Dispel and Flusterstorm are two good counterspells to consider adding, although the second one isn't super cheap. Cryptic Command is also a pretty penny, but as a cantrip-ing usually-counterspell, it is an excellent card. Spell Pierce and Spell Snare are worth considering as well.
Tezzeret the Seeker ? He's a great 'walker for any artifact deck, and in the non-foil form he's about $20.
If your meta is filled with combo decks (I know mine is), Arcane Laboratory can put a stop to that. Overburden is a good way to slow down elf-decks and other aggro strategies, and Lodestone Golem is just plain good. Back to Basics is awesome in mono-blue decks. Note that some of these stax pieces may disrupt your Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal win.
Mindlock Orb ? If you choose not to follow Suggestion 9, this thing does work.
Unless you're running a bunch of 0-cost artifact rocks, I don't think Stoic Rebuttal is good enough. Metalcraft is really good if you can get it online turn one or two with the help of Mox Opal or Mox Diamond , but if you can't get it online early, you're better off running something like Exclude or Mana Leak . Because the good 0-mana artifacts are about as much money as a half-used kidney, I don't think it's worth pursuing the metalcraft theme.
I think changing your Island s to Snow-Covered Island s and running Extraplanar Lens is probably better than Caged Sun . It's cheaper mana-wise, which means it can help you ramp out your general faster. (Once you have six mana for Caged Sun , you can almost cast your general anyways.) That being said, I've never been in love with Extraplanar Lens either, and I think just running other mana rocks like Thought Vessel is probably the best rout there.
Consider Sower of Temptation , Treachery or Control Magic . I had a lot of fun with those when I played mono-blue, as they can steal the game right away from an opponent. Similarly, if you have access to Academy Ruins and Mind Slaver , you can end up being two players instead of one.
Alright man, that's all I got for now. I'm sure after I go to bed I'll think of more suggestions, so if you need more help let me know. Good luck and have fun and stuff!
2 months ago
Greetings, human! Below are my suggestions; feel free to heed/ignore them as you choose.
In EDH, playtesting with your meta is really the only way to know how much counter, burn and card-draw you need. That being said, you typically want a cantrip and a counter in your opening hand, which means running approximately 5 - 10 of each is a good idea. I think Preordain should definitely be in your deck alongside your Ponder , and Brainstorm becomes astronomically better with shuffle effects. Although the Zendikar and Onslaught fetches can be very expensive, cheaper alternatives definitely exist: Terramorphic Expanse is functionally identical with the Evolving Wilds I see you're running; the slow fetches (like Flood Plain and Rocky Tar Pit ) are on the table; and Ash Barrens is around $3 these days. Aside from Preordain , some card-draw/filtering spells I advise at least considering are: Impulse , Chart a Course , Faithless Looting , Chemister's Insight , Archmage's Charm , Think Twice , Oona's Grace , Frantic Search , Sleight of Hand , Pull from Tomorrow , Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise . Slate of Ancestry is an artifact source of repeatable card advantage.
I suggest Faithless Looting , Chemister's Insight , Think Twice and Oona's Grace because you can cast them from your graveyard. This will give you extra triggers off of Kykar, Wind's Fury and Jeskai Ascendancy . Similarly, if you choose to run cards like Young Pyromancer and Monastery Mentor (which I highly suggest you do), these cards will get additional triggers as well. Murmuring Mystic is another creature to consider, as is Taigam, Ojutai Master .
Burn spells are tough in EDH, if only because you have three times as many opponents as usual, and they all have double the usual life total. So burn is typically going to be spot removal or mass removal rather than to-the-face, like in Modern. Generally, I do not recommend running many one-for-ones in a format where you're facing three opponents rather than one; the only one-for-one I highly suggest is Swords to Plowshares . Electrolyze is an instant that does not cost card advantage, so I advise this too. Mass-removal, like Wrath of God , Pyroclasm or Supreme Verdict is generally much more successful. However, because of your general and the nature of your deck, you'll likely want to only run one or two board-wipes. Things like Shattering Spree , By Force , Dust to Dust , Return to Dust , Grasp of Fate and Vandalblast are also worth considering.
Counter magic is good. I advise adding a few spells to your current package. Consider the following: Swan Song , Dispel , Exclude , Unified Will , Remand (maybe -- it's a meta call), Negate , Flusterstorm , and, provided you have access, Cryptic Command , Force of Will , Mana Drain and Pact of Negation .
An area that I see as being capable of a lot of improvement is your mana-base. Though the best fixing is, of course, wildly expensive, affordable options exist. Steam Vents , Hallowed Fountain and Sacred Foundry are all about $10 or so these days, as are City of Brass and Mana Confluence . I personally like Reflecting Pool , Exotic Orchard and Forbidden Orchard as well.
As Foretold is at least worth considering. Aetherflux Reservoir is, I think, probably better than Sentinel Tower , though if your meta is filled with creatures you can nail with the Sentinel Tower then you may wish to keep it. If you want to go on the aggro plan, Supreme Phantom is also worth considering, as is Intangible Virtue . Kindred Discovery is good if you name "Spirits." If you are like me and don't have ethical qualms about infinite combos, Isochron Scepter with Dramatic Reversal is a good way to make infinite tokens if you have enough rocks out.
Speaking of rocks, I like your current suite. I'd also consider Mind Stone , Coldsteel Heart (maybe), Fellwar Stone and Everflowing Chalice . Arcane Signet is coming out soon, and that's definitely worth an include.
Right. That's all from me. Good luck with deck-building!
2 months ago
I've always liked Oloro, Ageless Ascetic -- he was my first general.
I've always thought Path to Exile is way overrated in EDH. Swords to Plowshares , which I see you've included, is better mainly because it doesn't ramp your opponents. In a format filled with people routinely doing mana-intensive things, I think you'll be better off running something like Ashes to Ashes .
Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are three REALLY good cards. Like Xerox decks in Vintage, in EDH it is advantageous to replace a part of your mana-base with cantrips. This allows you to dig for lands if you need them, and spells if you don't. Running these three, along with similar cheap card-draw, will allow you to run around thirty-two or so lands. Brainstorm goes from good to great if you have a high number of shuffle effects, from things like the Polluted Delta you're running. Similarly, Sleight of Hand or Serum Visions are good; they should be run only if you're already running the first three and still need more cantrips.
Similar to cantrips, card-positive draw-spells (i.e. Spells that draw more than one card) are also real good. Painful Truths , Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Night's Whisper , Echo of Eons and Windfall are great includes. Windfall and Echo of Eons are especially powerful if you also run Narset, Parter of Veils .
I highly suggest replacing your three-mana rocks with two-mana rocks. Chromatic Lantern , Pristine Talisman and Commander's Sphere are not as good as Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy and Talisman of Dominance . Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are also good two-mana rocks; Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good, though wildly expensive.
Ashiok, Dream Render is excellent if your format has a lot of fetch lands; it also hoses graveyard decks.
Ancient Tomb is a better Temple of the False God -- if you have access to it, you should run it. 'Enter the battlefield tapped' can be pretty not-good; while cards like Dimir Aqueduct are card advantage in that they produce more mana from the same number of lands, they aren't as good as a standard dual (at least in my opinion). Silent Clearing , City of Brass and Mana Confluence are all better than the Karoo lands. Caves of Koilos , Adarkar Wastes , Underground River , Reflecting Pool , Forbidden Orchard and Exotic Orchard are similar.
I don't think Felidar Sovereign is very good. Typically you cast it during your main phase, and it has to last an entire turn cycle with your life total above 40 (or 38, in Oloro, if you stack your triggers right) before it will win the game. During this time, all of your opponents will be doing all they can to remove it. I think it may be easier to win with a Laboratory Maniac / Jace, Wielder of Mysteries + Demonic Consultation / Doomsday combo. Running Silence can help protect this combo.
Force of Will and Mana Drain are the gold standard in counters, though they'll cost you about the same as a used kidney. Dovin's Veto , Spell Snare , Dispel and Swan Song are all good considerations; if your meta is filled with fat creatures, Exclude can be good, too.
I think you can run either Ghostly Prison or Propaganda -- I don't think both are necessary, especially since you're running Enlightened Tutor already. I advise running Ghostly Prison over Propaganda , as it doesn't die to Pyroblast / Red Elemental Blast .
Since it seems Aetherflux Reservoir is your main win condition, you may want to consider running Fabricate and Whir of Invention as tutors. If you want to go real deep, Transmute Artifact is a good card (though, also, REALLY expensive).
Alright -- I gotta go to bed. Good luck with the deck building!
3 months ago
Came up with a short list of some cards you might like to run: Ancestral Vision , Arcane Denial , Archmage's Charm , Cryptic Command , Dream Fracture , Exclude , Grip of Amnesia , Mystic Confluence , Overwhelming Intellect , Sage's Dousing , Toothy, Imaginary Friend , Chasm Skulker
4 months ago
Flusterstorm : Possible more cheep countermagic?
Force of Vigor : Free blow up RIP LoTV (Not the planeswalker) and other problems.
Exclude : Not too promising, but it can stall and cantrip.
Fact or Fiction : More card advantage? Probably not, because we want to be casting gifts instead. But maybe.
Ice-Fang Coatl : We want to be playing Basics anyway, the floor is a cantriping Flash creature, so I'd say it's worth it.
Thats it for now, can't wait for the full set.
4 months ago
I have to wonder - FoF is a powerful card, but does it have any place in modern? It is too slow for modern for sure. Diabolic Edict would be nice, if they haven't just printed the strictly better Liliana's Triumph .
I am personally most excited for Exclude reprint.
However, Maro has said that the set is 80+% new cards, so there are not a lot of reprints as a whole.
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