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Force Spike Discussion
2 months ago
Gitaxian Probe and Lava Dart will be really good here, Mental Misstep is probably solid too but you lose the targets of Sol Ring, Mystical and Vampiric Tutor, Top, Seal, Entomb and Tide, but there's tons of great 1 drops anyways that I'd still run it. 2 life to counter a mana dork, Brainstorm, Gamble, Wordly or Enlightened Tutor? Seems great.
Also, Storm. Grapeshot after a couple cheap or free spells can not only deal a solid chunk of damage, but it also can give you a lot of Magecraft triggers(and you can kill a commander with it).
You could definitely cut a couple of the higher CMC cards as they'll clog up your gameplan a bit -- run a few more cantrips and interaction such as Preordain , Serum Visions , Faithless Looting , Lightning Bolt , Spell Pierce and Miscast .
Also, a couple rituals -- Rite of Flame is the best one here, but Simian Spirit Guide also works. Pyretic Ritual and Desperate Ritual are also okay, but they don't help you cast Veyran so they're last in line for those slots.
3 months ago
JJ108x, thank you for your interest in Cheapskate Talrand, in the early stages of building and playtesting, I included Telepathy in the deck to evade threats to the Thoracle combo such as Force of Will .
I found that with multiple counterspells in hand, even a well-timed Force Spike was sufficient to protect the combo.
In fact, it is always very nice to know what an opponent has in hand. The issue with Gitaxian Probe is cost—- it dials in at a whopping $1.10!!! Given the cost, to be included, it must be a bomb in the deck. Peek and Clairvoyance are both also good—-but Peek is better. If I included these effects I would choose Probe and Peek, or maybe just Probe.
I would cut cantrips to make room (there are many to choose from, depending on your play style), however I would not cut any cantrips that require/allow me to shuffle a card from my hand back in to my library as THOSE ARE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT TO THE OPERATION OF THE DECK!!!
Does that make sense?
Do you plan on building this deck?
If so, please tag me in it so I can take a look. I’d be very interested to see what changes you make (especially if you keep the same $75 budget).
I’d also be interested to read about how the deck as is, or with your changes, performs in your meta.
dritchie, thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoy the deck, I hope you build it, and keep me up to date as to how it performs!
4 months ago
Pikobyte, Don’t worry—-you can’t offend me! I’m just a prickly personality :)
You’d be surprised how easy it is to disrupt the most “powerful” cEDH game plans. (Or maybe you wouldn’t be!) For instance, something as simple as Glowrider puts a stop to most cEDH combos. They only have so many Force of Wills, but we have and endless supply of these little [email protected] :)
I know those cEDH folks think they’re playing a higher order game and so forth... yawns It’s really just about money and elitism.
I’ll tell you with some confidence that my $75 Talrand cEDH deck also crushes in 1v1 cEDH, like it’s not even funny. Trollin’ with Force Spike and a gaggle of bad, bad cards :)
It’s a bit weak to aggression in multiplayer though. Most cEDH tourneys are 1v1.
Buy the Derevi deck tho, seriously. It’s only $100. If you play it at a casual table you’ll feel like a jerk.
Much love and thanks for all your comments!
4 months ago
Several users have mentioned Mana Tithe , the white version of Force Spike , but I would like to see a white version of either Spell Pierce or Mana Leak , as those would be awesome, but would that be too strong of a color bend?
5 months ago
Almost all counterspells in white are colorshifted versions of blue spells: ( Mana Tithe -> white Force Spike , Rebuff the Wicked and Dawn Charm -> white variations of Turn Aside , Lapse of Certainty -> expensive white version of Memory Lapse ), originating from Conflux and Planar Chaos, which are exempt from following the rules of the color pie because of lore reasons. The one exception being Illumination , being specifically limited to the same targets as Disenchant , but answering them on the stack instead of in play, combined with a similar downside as Swords to Plowshares .
So in the next set where color functionality gets scrambled? Sure, print another white counterspell, maybe we can get a white Stifle , or maybe a white Spell Swindle this time, to fall in line with Smothering Tithe .
But my internal reasoning says: to counter a spell, you'd need a lot of knowledge about magic, be a wizard that has seen and done enough magic to recognize on the fly what spell is used against him, and prepare an according response before it's too late. That doesn't feel white at all, white is all about setting up and enforcing rules to prevent bad stuff from happening before it actually happens. And if that fails, White's way of preventing the bad stuff is by Gods Willing or a battalion of soldiers' Unbreakable Formation , just defending what you have, unable to offensively mess with your opponent's magic. Which Stifle very much does.
I'd say white can already counter plenty of triggered abilities though, mainly through Hushbringer , Tocatli Honor Guard and Hushwing Gryff . Again, enforcing rules before the bad stuff happens, instead of fighting it just before it's too late.
9 months ago
Next I suggest swapping out expensive utility cards like Drift of Phantasms, Perplex, Muddle the Mixture, etc. for 1 drops to reduce your mana curve and allow turn 1 plays. Good candidates include Mishra's Bauble, Serum Visions, and Opt, which do not tutor for a card, but the additional card draw accomplishes the same objective without setting you back a whole turn.
You need to protect your combo proactively instead of reactively, so I suggest running Thoughtseize and/or Inquisition of Kozilek to remove threats before they are played. Force Spike and Spell Pierce are the best 1-drop counterspells, you may consider incorporating some into the main deck or sideboard. Removal like Fatal Push (in conjunction with fetchlands to trigger revolt) and Dismember are critical for dealing with creature-based decks and you should run at least 2 mainboard or on the side.
As far as the sideboard goes, great Karn targets are Wurmcoil Engine and/or Batterskull to gain life, which is critical against aggro and especially burn. Damping Sphere shuts down storm and ramp/Tron simultaneously. Ratchet Bomb wipes tokens or low cost permanents...
11 months ago
Basically spells don't get hit by white, therefor the colorshifted cards Force Spike & Memory Lapse to Mana Tithe & Lapse of Certainty don't do the the same as the interesting adaptation of a Disenchant to Illumination!
That's why I don't think some of the counterspells break the color pie but some do.
Honestly though, I love those cards, and I love most color pie breaks, just sparingly xD
11 months ago
First off: this is a fantastic budget build. I love the dramatic/scepter combo—how quickly can we assemble it? I know you looked at my $75 budget deck and I hope you were able to gain something from it (thanks for the upvote and comment as well).
Here are my suggestions: Dizzy Spell will transmute for our hate pieces or our Sol Ring, if needed. Trophy Mage will fetch our Worn Powerstone. Alternatively, Drift of Phantasms will transmute for our Worn Powerstone, if needed. However, it is advised to have less creatures in Talrand for obvious reasons, including the following.
It will be crucial that we have rock power as quickly as possible once we have our dramatic/scepter combo pieces. This is why we should run Mass Polymorph and Synthetic Destiny. With Talrand, and a couple of drakes, we could Mass Polymorph into tutors for both all of our combo pieces at once and have them in hand.
This leads to the next area for consideration: protection. In my humble opinion, we are running a somewhat burdensome combo that realistically announces to your opponents “I’m going to win next turn.” (It’s ok, that’s my main beef with my own budget Talrand build as well). Also, once your opponents lose to this deck once, even those $2k cEDH decks seated at your table will lay the hate on you. Solution—You need more decisive and versatile countermagic to deal with the hate. Devious Cover-Up and Supreme Will are both decisive and versatile and serve purposes beyond mere countermagic. Overwhelming Denial is very decisive. Mental Misstep is a mini Force of Will. Abjure is decisive and has synergy with your commander. Void Shatter is harsh and decisive. Disrupt and Force Spike are soft, but you will be glad to have them, especially in a competitive meta. You may want to consider some oddball counters such as Time Stop. It’s too bad Cryptic Command and Mystic Confluence don’t fit the budget (or could they????). That’s maximal versatility.
Last word: by running Fact or Fiction, you are giving your opponents free reign to toss one of your combo pieces in the graveyard. Consider that. Also, is Opt really that great? I’ve been wondering about it in my own build. Also, just to nitpick and clean your title up: it’s “bucks”, not “buck’s” and you’re $5 over your $100 limit :)
I’m going to borrow some from you. Thanks.