Vapor Snag

Vapor Snag

Instant

Return target creature to its owner's hand. Its controller loses 1 life.

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Vapor Snag Discussion

Balaam__ on This Island Earth

3 weeks ago

Thoughts on replacing Unsummon with Vapor Snag? I’d say it’s strictly better when bouncing your opponent’s creatures, although it becomes worse should you try and bounce your own to save it.

sylvannos on Streets of New Capenna

1 month ago

@DemonDragonJ: It isn't broken at all. It's an Unsummon/Vapor Snag that doesn't cost mana to replay the creature. The only thing better it does over Unsummon is it makes dodging Wrath of God a lot easier. You phase out your creature and it gets a +1/+1 counter, which is nice on a newly emptied board.

Otherwise, I'd rather have something that makes my opponent have to re-cast their creature.

wallisface on I heard you like bounces...

1 month ago

Some thoughts:

  • There's going to be one big issue this kind of deck is going to face - you're constantly putting yourself at a large card-disadvantage, which will mean in the long run, you'll run out of resources, and your opponent will rebuild.

  • I get that you have Jace's Archivist as a way to get more cards, but with the sheer quantity of 1-mana killspells in modern, it feels like it'll never resolve its ability.

  • Note also, that because of fetchlands, your opponent can play-around what you're doing (i.e. only fetch when the mana is needed, or if targeted) - meaning that most opponents will be able to cast any spell they want in their deck with relative ease.

  • As one final point of problem, you have no current way to close out the game. Without a way to quickly win, your opponent is almost guaranteed to stabilize at some-point, and then beat you.

There's no easy answers to these problems, but here are some thoughts:

  • Bounce cards inherently put the caster at a disadvantage, because they're losing a card, and the opponent by-default isn't losing anything. To provide you some staying power, and a chance at an actual lock, I'd recommend running Isochron Scepter. While this card is fairly risky to play in modern (due to the chance of getting 2-for-1'd), I think its your best bet for being able to set up a continual source of bouncing.

  • You need a reliable way to actually win the game, before your opponent stabilizes (because, they will). I think a good candidate could be Deep-Sea Kraken, as it's very hard to remove (doesn't die to Prismatic Ending, Fatal Push, or Lightning Bolt. Admittedly Unholy Heat does pose an issue, but it's still pretty resilient)

  • I think you need a few more 1cmc cards to prevent getting overwhelmed right at the start of the game. Void Snare is decent, so I'd think you'd want a playset of that, alongside something like Unsummon or Vapor Snag. I do get that you want to focus on lands, but there are a LOT of 1-drop creatures that could blow you out of the water if left unchecked.

  • I think Remand is better than Counterspell here. You don't care that your opponent will get the card back in hand, because you're hoping their hand will be full anyway. And Remand helps you keep cards in your hand, so that you can keep the momentum up.

  • I don't think you need Radiant Fountain. The extra life is never going to swing the game either way imo (if you can't get the lock, you're screwed whatever your life total). I think a bigger threat is drawing too many lands and so running out of options. I'd suggest just playing 20-21 islands, and no Radiant Fountain. You'll be able to do more with the extra 2-3 spells than some lands that offer the wrong colour.

Balaam__ on Balaam__

1 month ago

lespaul977 I don’t mind offering advice, but I’m not exactly a tier 1 player myself. So I’d definitely recommend shopping the idea for this deck around and collecting as much perspective as you can on it before you invest any time or money in finalizing it.

This may sound excessive but I’d cut

Djinni Windseer (doesn’t contribute)

Eternal of Harsh Truths (doesn’t contribute)

Homarid Explorer (cmc too high, not enough value)

Laboratory Maniac (useless, you’re milling the opponent and not yourself)

Minister of Inquiries (it’s ok, but with no way to get more energy counters his value fades fast. Blinking him to get more energy counters is not efficient)

Screaming Swarm (cmc way too high, won’t see play often and mill decks rarely have more than a handful of creatures, none of which are used for attacking)

Soulknife Spy (doesn’t contribute)

Essence Flux (Blink is ineffective here)

Trepanation Blade (seems good but rarely is, not to mention you won’t be attacking)

Curiosity (doesn’t contribute, your other draw spells are much better)

Wizard Class (doesn’t contribute)


So that’s what I’d cut. Dream Twist and Visions of Beyond are great and synergize well, Unsummon is good but Vapor Snag is better; I’d replace that with it if possible. I’d fill the remainder of the slots with Crabs if it’s an option (see below), countermagic (Counterspell, Mana Leak, Spell Pierce etc) and if you are adding (again, see below) there are oodles of instants/sorceries to choose from. If not, try to accommodate as many mono direct mill spells as possible.


I guess we have to address some of the elephants in the room. If you’re intent on keeping this mono , then you’ll miss out on what the complimentary color brings to the Mill archetype: cards like Breaking / Entering and Glimpse the Unthinkable.

Which brings us to the next obstacle, budget. If you’re looking to keep the price down and/or only build from your current collection, that also complicates things. Cards like Archive Trap and Tasha's Hideous Laughter are Mill staples, but are also costly. There are alternatives, like Fractured Sanity and Maddening Cacophony which are both cheap and mono , so that can help fill the gaps.

Third, you’ll want to run the crabs. Hedron Crab is pricey, but Ruin Crab is doable. Ideally you’d run both, but one is ok. You’ll be capitalizing on every possible opportunity to mill like this; every land played mills, nearly all your spells should mill, etc.


Hope this helps, and again—I’m no expert. But I’ve built one mill deck (check my page if interested, I think it’s called Trouble at the old mill or something like that) and have another in the works so I’m somewhat familiar with how they play. Ask around, collect info and don’t be afraid to inspect the ones the pros play for some ideas.

wallisface on say bye to your deck

1 month ago

I think you've kindof muddled up your plans here, you've got a deck that's both trying to mill out, while also trying to win through Duskmantle Guildmage/Mindcrank combo. I think you need to focus on one gameplan, instead of trying to do both (and so making a weaker variant of either)

  • If you're trying to win through conventional mill, you're a long way from it. All the cards you're currently running are super sub-optimal, and will lead you to not completing your mission. So i'd say, if you wanted to go down this route, you probably need to rebuild your deck from scratch. Cards you should be considering on a budget are Ruin Crab, Fractured Sanity, Maddening Cacophony, Extirpate, Drown in the Loch, Crypt Incursion, Fatal Push. Depending how high your budget is, some mid-range-costing cards to also consider are Glimpse the Unthinkable, Tasha's Hideous Laughter, Hedron Crab and Visions of Beyond. It should be evident from this list, that what you're running at the moment, is comparably waay too slow, and won't get the job done.

  • Personally I think the Duskmantle Guildmage/Mindcrank combo variant of the deck might be a better budget-friendly option for you to consider. For that deck, you don't need any mill cards at all, because that's not your goal - you just want to get your combo online asap and then win the game. You'll want full-playsets of both Duskmantle and Mindcrank, and then ways to fetch them both up - so cards like Muddle the Mixture and maybe even Dimir Infiltrator (though normally Muddle is enough). Other than that, the deck is full of countermagic and stall (like Counterspell, Remand, Vapor Snag, Mana Leak), and a few ways to dig for cards (like Serum Visions, Consider, Opt). Vapor Snag is particularly important as it can act as a way to start the combo once you have the pieces online (by losing the opponent 1 life). Seth did a deck-tech on this a long while back (2016), so there's lots to be improved from this list, but this link might give you an indicator of how the more expensive version of the deck functions.

Icbrgr on Inspired to brew UWR tokens

1 month ago

Isn't the flip effect a may condition? Like cant you choose not to flip it?

My main reason for UWR is strictly due to the mana base and staples I own.. I have 4x Tarn and 4x Mesa and 2x of the fetchable shocks... I figured blue would be nice for draw power through Opt, Expressive Iteration, Remand and Vapor Snag.

But if you Must flip stitcher then yeah its probably more headache than payoff... thought it would compliment pyromancer and mentor rather than replace... 2 stitcher with 4 mentor and 4 pyromancer with spells galore kinda deal.

Chasmolinker on

3 months ago

Seems like this could do well once it gets online.
I would cut Cancel for Counterspell and Burn Down the House for Anger of the Gods. Winged Words seems bad with only 4 creatures. Vapor Snag or something similar might work better here. Augur of Bolas is another favorite of mine.

lespaul977 on Baseline effect cards

5 months ago

Vapor Snag is strictly better than Unsummon by having your opponent lose 1 life.

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