Creature — Ouphe
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Collector Ouphe Discussion
3 days ago
Toxic Deluge is an expensive card that I expect to go down in price soon (it's been reprinted in Double Masters, and in my experience masters sets tank their rares, if only for a short while). It'd be especially good since you have a lot of high-toughness cards.
I also think that even in a deck based on walls, you can benefit a LOT from one-mana mana-dorks. Arbor Elf, Elves of Deep Shadow, Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves, Deathrite Shaman, Fyndhorn Elves etc. will accelerate you in a way that only green can do. Even with boardwipes, they're worth it. Note that they also let you land your general turn two, if you get the right mana.
Additionally, since you're not a landfall, I feel like you're running too many lands. Replacing some with dorks will let you come out of the gate a lot faster. (I play EDH with a lot of more powerful decks, and your experience may differ from mine. However, I find that being able to land a meaningful turn-one play like Birds of Paradise is good in all power-levels.)
Speaking of lands, your mana base can be improved for relatively cheap. Indatha Triome is about $4 these days, and could easily replace your Jungle Hollow... Fetches are busted, especially when paired with duals like Overgrown Tomb or Savannah. However, if you don't plan on selling a kidney, there're other ways to improve. Slow-fetches (Rocky Tar Pit, Bad River, Flood Plain, Mountain Valley and Grasslands) are super affordable. Note that they can also fetch your non-basic typed lands (like Canopy Vista or Indatha Triome). Other lands of various prices to consider are Exotic Orchard, City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, Llanowar Wastes, Brushland, Caves of Koilos and friends.
Card advantage decides most EDH (and Magic in general) games. Some cards to consider: Sylvan Library, Painful Truths, Harmonize, Night's Whisper, Phyrexian Arena, Dark Tutelage etc. are all good ways. I was going to suggest Runic Armasaur, but you already spotted that one.
Retribution of the Meek is a GREAT wipe for decks like this.
I also suggest cutting some cards. I don't think Path to Exile is very good in EDH, where one-for-ones need to be REALLY good (like Swords to Plowshares or non-type specific like Mythos of Nethroi), and Path to Exile ramps your opponents. They're very likely to just use the extra mana to deploy a more dangerous threat. Glyph of Doom is interesting, and might be good, but I don't think it would be (granted that's not based on direct experience). I think you could probably just use a more powerful card in that slot. I also think you can cut some of the equipments for more influential cards. For example, if you cut Spidersilk Net and friends you can run things like Collector Ouphe and Stony Silence. If you're running mana dorks, you'll have ramp while your artifact-based friends get nailed.
Right. That's all I got. Hope this helped!
5 days ago
Hello it's me again. I'm just heading out now to playtest my Nikara / Yannik deck for the first time and I wondered if you could explain in detail how the combo loop works (first paragraph of your description) so I can explain it to others while playing. It seems Yannik has no way to leave the battlefield to keep the loop going, for example play him with restoration angel + felidar guardian in play, target one with Yannik, then what because the one you target won't come back until Yannik leaves? Also how is your deck performing for you so far? Any weak points or downsides you can find? Anyways thanks and since you're only running a few noncreature spells, some cards that would be fitting and useful are Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Heartwood Storyteller, Collector Ouphe, and Armorcraft Judge. Good luck!
dingusdingo on Abzan
1 week ago
Cards to look at
Trinisphere - 3x of this will do everything you wanted Thalia to do, and more. This is the daddy of stax pieces, and it will frustrate tons of decks.
Collector Ouphe - Turn off equipment and tons of artifacts, 2/2 for , 2-3x and can easily go into your SB if you don't want to MB. Plays well alongside artifact based lock pieces like Static Orb or Trinisphere, look for triggered abilities or static abilities to build around the Ouphe
Gaddock Teeg - Shut off plenty of wincons and huge value cards, a nice 1-2x in this style of deck, and its a 2/2 for . This will usually turn off something in an opponent's deck, requires a bit of build around on your end.
Maralen of the Mornsong - Neat combo with Mindcensor/Arbiter and a great way to find your silver bullet hate cards you need, especially if you run them at 1x slots. You pretty much never want to play this without either Mindcensor or the Arbiter, so I'd look at 1-2x inclusion
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite - Dunks on tons of utility dorks and creatures, and if you have a couple hatebears on the field you can punish their life total. Expensive to cast, solid choice at 1, maybe 2 for a deck.
Root Maze - This card pulls double duty against fetch lands, and will generally slow the game against any style of deck. A real nice card to look at for turn 1 plays, but multiples don't do anything for you. Good 3x include, but you will occasionally mulligan another hand when you see 2x of this.
Plow Under - Nasty card that can stall out your opponents for two turns. 2-3x if you want to grab this card, absolutely brutal alongside Trinisphere, best used alongside mana acceleration to hit this on turn 3 or 4.
Weathered Wayfarer - Can be a useful card in these types of builds if you want to investigate further into land based tech. Useful alongside the Ravnica bouncelands like Golgari Rot Farm to guarantee further usage. Useful with Manlands to guarantee beaters. Works well with Inventors' Fair if you have a decent amount of artifacts.
Torpor Orb - Everything has some flashy ETB stapled onto it for value these days. Backfires against Uro and the other titans (no sacrifice trigger), but great sideboard material. Peek Hushwing Gryff for a creature alternate.
Leyline of the Void - Nasty card that breaks tons of combos and tons of value
Hokori, Dust Drinker - Another alternate to Thalia that similarly attacks their mana base, tons of lands to get around it like Ravnica bouncelands or Lotus Field. Best at 1-2x, don't wish to see multiples in your hand ever.
Kataki, War's Wage - I don't recommend this guy as Collector Ouphe fills this niche wonderfully, but this is always an option if you have 2-3 equipments you want to run that the ouphe would shut off and don't mind paying the tax for them.
Authority of the Consuls - Works extremely well against aggro, slowing them and giving you small life gain to survive further. Multiples give multiple life triggers, so not totally wasted, good at 3x if you're interested.
Blind Obedience - Enters tapped is nice, the extort helps stabilize you to late game while getting in valuable life loss against your opponent. Multiples give multiple extort triggers, so you can go up to 4x rather easily if you'd like to.
Time of Need - Nice toolbox card if you want to run 1-2x of a handful of legendary creatures for this style of build. Look at Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Kataki, War's Wage, and Gaddock Teeg. Gives consistency if you're trying to go for a silver bullet kind of build.
Chord of Calling - Lets you pull Aven Mindcensor from your library at instant speed, also gives Mindcensor something to do on the battlefield if you can't swing with it. Once again, powerful in silver bullet style builds.
Grave Pact - Big board control, heavy color weight cost. Targets neither the player nor the creature, so useful against hexproof/shroud and other hyper evasive creatures. Multiples work fully, but you aren't keeping hands with multiples of this in it probably.
Luminarch Ascension - Control or prison style wincon. Lots of these cards slow the game or shut off an opponents plan to win. This card can use the extra turns to come online, and becomes a hyper mana efficient threat when it does. Works very well when playing under adverse mana conditions, like Hokori, Dust Drinker or Smallpox. Your Aven Mindcensor can gain extra usage on turn 4-7 by chump blocking to power this bad boy on. Best in decks that want to slow the game heavily.
Smallpox - Nasty board control, another way to imitate the hate effect Thalia has on an opposing mana base while also hitting creatures in play and forcing a discard. Works best with cards that allow you to mitigate your own downsides, such as Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, Flagstones of Trokair, Ramunap Excavator. Works well with anything that has madness, works well as fuel for delve too. One of these after playing Luminarch Ascension can give it the perfect amount of space to turn on.
Liliana of the Veil - Whole lot of board control, whole lot of hand hate.
Pithing Needle - CMC answer to any planeswalker and tons of juicy cards that players want to resolve.
Fiend Artisan - Toolbox enabler and nasty wincon packed into one. A good choice for silver bullet style builds. The +1/+1 for creatures in the graveyard shouldn't be underestimated, it keeps the card as a live draw later in the game or with no creatures on the field. The hybrid costs help in 3 color mana base
Beastmaster Ascension - Put those bears to work. Works well on stalled out boards, but your bears have to survive the swings to turn this on. I personally don't like this as much as Luminarch Ascension but it is worth looking at as an option, especially if you have a lot of flyers or evasive creatures. Aven Mindcensor flys :)
Tendershoot Dryad - Expensive to cast, but getting a token each upkeep adds up fast. You will hit the cities blessing rather fast, and then it doesn't take too many 3/3 tokens swinging to end a game.
1 week ago
@RNR_Gaming actually Yisan has become much stronger within the wake of the Flash banning, and while Demonic Consultation endgames are incredibly strong, the lists still reliant on Isochron Scepter are easily preyed on with the Caustic Caterpillar/Collector Ouphe builds, and even before then the old Ravenous Slime builds were really strong.
I'll admit, green as a midrange color has been lagging behind white, which due to Drannith Magistrate/Aven Mindcensor has been given a ton, Collector Ouphe in the command zone is still letting Yisan get free wins time and time again, as well, it's become incredibly resilient to the countermagic of the blue based consult lists with Allosaurus Shepherd and Destiny Spinner's recent releases, I mean in the last 3-4 years, Veil of Summer, Force of Vigor, Ravenous Slime (I mean, it was super big in Yisan for the age of Hulk), Kenrith's Transformation, Manglehorn, Runic Armasaur, Finale of Devastation (easily the best wincon), Castle Garenbrig, Blast Zone, Prismatic Vista, etc. all help the list in both value and consistency.
While I'd argue that it actually has been doing better than most partner powerhouses in the past (Tymna/Tana, Tymna/Kraum, Thrasios/Vial Smasher) due to new cards making the tutor effect more and more powerful, the format also homogenized around the consult+value+interactive strategy. While yes, Thrasios/Tymna, Kenrith, Najeela, Gitrog, Kess, and a few others are tier 1, Yisan is too. The reason artifact based Iso-rev strategies aren't as popular as they were pre-flash is because in the time flash was the big thing, Collector Ouphe and Force of Negation were printed. I mean, Drannith Magistrate too, but that card less-so, as that was really after the banning.
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Nice deck. I play a very similar and very mean Kumena deck. I also went back and forth on +1/+1 counters and ultimately did settle on it as I felt that combat damage was the most appropriate win con for merfolk (in part because I also play Legacy Fish). I don’t think assembling and executing your infinite mana combo is more efficient than winning with unblockable +100/+100 merfolk or generating so much card draw that you win with Thassa's Oracle. Both of my options also synergize directly with your commander. +1/+1 counters are accelerated by Doubling Season and Hardened Scales. You can flash in Simic Ascendancy on the end step just before your turn, and with a little finesse, win. With Doubling Season, either Kiora Planeswalker is a nasty surprise as well. Massive card draw comes not only from Seafloor Oracle, but from Bident of Thassa, Coastal Piracy, and now Reconnaissance Mission. My version of this deck replaces your standard countermagic and removal suite with Force of Will, Force of Negation, Mana Drain, and Cyclonic Rift but you probably don’t need to be told that these cards are very good. Gaea's Cradle and Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip are insanely good in merfolk aggro. The only non-merfolk creatures I include (aside from Seahunter) Are Deadeye Navigator, Deepglow Skate, Collector Ouphe, and Vigor. I should say, my merfolk deck is known to beat the seaweed out of many competitive decks. I hope this helps.
1 month ago
Deck looks awesome +1 from me! Name def drew me in too
I'd suggest Tidespout Tyrant for redundancy with Cloudstone Curio. The triple blue is scary but I run it in two decks and it puts in work. Temur Sabertooth too. Fabricate might be worth it to snag a few of your wincons. Birthing Pod goes with your sac tutors
Not sure what to take out. I love eldrazi. Oblivion Sower is my favorite w Animar. Cultivator Drone might be your most mehh. Collector Ouphe hurts a few of your things. I assume you see a lot of countermagic with Prowling Serpopard in the list(?)
Anywho, have fun! Please check out my Animar deck and tell me what you think! Peace!
1 month ago
Thank you, valentin74!
1) Precisely for this reason. I chose to use responses that can also be used proactively. And Path can be used on some creature (an Ornithopter for example) to ramp off. Besides, it is quite common for Path to have no drawback (against 4C or 5C with greedy mana bases).
2) They are very useful in pods that I find difficult, with a lot of counter and interactions. Besides, they are necessary in situations where you combo off but your only payoffs are Urza's Bauble or Mishra's Bauble, where you can draw your deck on the opponent's upkeep and you need to win before giving a bigger window to stop you.
3) To be honest I never tried Verge Rangers because I found it slow. But if you are in a more midrange version, it may be a real option. Of course, before considering using it I would certainly use Mystic Forge.
4) I honestly don't like Heliod on this deck. Apart from triggering Teshar and possibly combo with Ballista, it adds absolutely nothing to our game plan. I prefer to use some redundancy from some of our combo pieces, or some way to dig more into the deck.
5) Not long ago I used only Codex Shredder and decided to test the other 2, and I really enjoyed it. Besides possibly answering opponents' top tutors, in practice, in our deck it is a "draw a card", since our graveyeard is an extension of the hand. In addition, it is possible to loop our non-artifact or non-creature spells with Codex Shredder.
6) Banisher Priest (or Fiend Hunter on some lists) is a necessary evil (like Leonin Relic-Warder). It is often an option to remove stax pieces that can harm our game a lot (Hello, Collector Ouphe and Drannith Magistrate), or even answer something that is essential to not lose before returning to our next turn (like Zur the Enchanter). Since we use many self mill effects, it is feasible to revive Banisher Priest with the Teshar effect, which is not the case with other types of responses. In addition, Banisher Priest can be fetched with Recruiter of the Guard.