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Pact of Negation
Pact of Negation is blue.
Counter target spell.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
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Pact of Negation Discussion
21 hours ago
Hey! So I have a few suggestions. Feel free to ignore any/all of them:
Cantrips are your friend in combo decks. Preordain and Ponder are the gold-standard here, since they dig pretty deep for one mana. You're including Brainstorm is good, but I'm not sure it's good enough without non-mana intensive shuffle effects (i.e. some form of fetch lands) to make sure you don't accidentally lock yourself with two cards you don't want on top. While cards like Prismatic Vista and Scalding Tarn can be expensive, depending on your meta something like Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds might be good enough. Flood Plain and Bad River are also worth considering. Other cantrips ( Opt , Sleight of Hand , Serum Visions ...) are ok but should be considered secondary to Preordain and friends.
Grafdigger's Cage is currently one of the best hosers in EDH, and it does not stop Urza's ability (since Urza's ability exiles the card before casting it, you never cast spells directly from your library). I think it's better than Darksteel Relic , since it still taps for mana and can be a turn one play while having a direct effect on the board state. Tormod's Crypt is a similar card you may want to consider. I think Relic of Progenitus is better than Phyrexian Furnace , especially since you're not running Snapcaster Mage .
Everflowing Chalice seems like a good rock. I've never been a fan of Mox Tantalite , since taking several turns to hit the board is a major drawback. Everflowing Chalice is a slightly worse Mind Stone , but you can cast it for zero when Urza is on the field and have a build-your-own Mox Sapphire .
Retract and/or Hurkyl's Recall can act as pseudo- Paradoxical Outcome s for the purposes of rebuilding mana or building storm-count for Temporal Fissure . They're admittedly not as good, but since you're already running Paradoxical Outcome you may want a redundant card for that effect.
You may want to revisit your counter-suite. Consider substituting more efficient cards for Dissolve and/or Exclude , since three mana is a lot to pay for a counterspell. Things like Spell Snare , Dispel , Spell Pierce , Swan Song , Pact of Negation and/or Delay are all good ways to protect your combo without using too much mana.
I think Mystic Remora is probably better than Rhystic Study . First, it comes down faster (T1 or T2), which means it catches your opponents' rocks when they're casting them in the first few turns. Second, four mana is a lot less payable than one, so you're more likely to draw even in experienced metas. Finally, your strategy is typically going to be a combo strategy -- so you don't need a PERMANENT shield, just one that will last long enough to protect you until you go off with Urza.
Cyclonic Rift is the best board wipe in blue. It's $20 nowadays, but if you can afford one you should definitely run it.
Dig Through Time is an excellent card, as is Treasure Cruise (though I don't like cruise as much as dig in combo decks like this, since it sees fewer cards). Running one of them seems like a good idea.
Chain of Vapor is REALLY good. If you can cast it and bounce an opposing stax piece ( Cursed Totem , Collector Ouphe , Damping Sphere ), it rarely gets reflected. And even if it is, you're likely to just be able to recast whatever they bounce on your board. More importantly, you can use it to bounce a bunch of your low-cost artifacts to both net mana and build storm. So... yea.
1 week ago
I am no competitive EDH player, but from what i can see a good start may be removing the 3cmc mana rocks that you are running with cheaper ones: Talisman of Creativity , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone are some you might want to consider. In cEDH are played a lot less lands than normal in favor of very cheap mana rocks like Mana Vault , Mana Crypt and Mox Opal .
Also if you really want to be competitive you surely will run all the cheap counters like Force of Will or Pact of Negation and also you will have to remove all the lands that enters the battlefield tapped with off-color fetches or with utility lands.
I do not know how much competitive you want your deck to be, but if you are a returning player and do not know about https://edhrec.com you want to check it out.
Hope to have helped.
2 weeks ago
Update from this weekends cEDH tournament.
Won all rounds, but probably should have lost to a Kess, Dissident Mage in round 2, had a Glen Elendra Archmage resolved. I managed to Toxic Deluge it but then they Thoughtseize my Grim Tutor so was waiting for a tutor to pull a Swords to Plowshares . Then they tapped out on casting a Pact of Negation on my Bloodgift Demon (At the time, I only had Reflecting Pool (luckily they had played a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth which enabled it to be ) and they were trying to mitigate my draw. (Note: I kept a 0 land hand in that round because I had Mana Crypt , Arcane Signet , and Dark Ritual in hand. Soon as they had no , successfully resolved my combo (again), they had already Force of Will cast on me earlier.
Anyways, never used the Worldgorger Dragon at all, drew the Bogardan Hellkite in the last round, never played him. Each round got there the same way, Buried Alive + Reanimate . The last round I resolved a Razaketh, the Foulblooded , sac'd Kaalia of the Vast realized I didn't have enough , so had to wait a turn, then cast Kaalia of the Vast again, resolved an Avacyn, Angel of Hope , sac'd Kaalia of the Vast to pull a for Goblin Bombardment (post-combat) sacrifice all the Restoration Angel after casting Buried Alive + Reanimate .
Post the tournament, realized Demonic Consultation was too much of a dead draw, going to replace it with Plunge into Darkness , saw it played a couple times was not horrible, worst case just pulls a tutor usually.
Also worked that evening on replacing Worldgorger Dragon and Bogardan Hellkite but came up with nothing. I primary win-con all rounds, never went to Leonin Relic-Warder which is far safer secondary than Worldgorger Dragon . Still thinking a Doomsday is a better way to go, could do Doomsday + Night's Whisper and build a stack:
Leonin Relic-Warder (discard with Faithless Looting )
That's CMC7 though .
What I really need is another Buried Alive best I can think of is Final Parting >> Leonin Relic-Warder + Animate Dead (to hand), but then still need a Goblin Bombardment . So the combo would be Final Parting + Goblin Bombardment or Animate Dead . So would be CMC9. Better than Doomsday CMC7 (stack) + = CMC10, and doesn't require a same turn enabler like Street Wraith . Still not right though. Hmm.
2 weeks ago
Just a note on Laboratory Maniac , you should already have your library drawn to 2 or less cards by the time you try to cast him. This means that in an optimal build you will have Force of Will , Pact of Negation , Swan Song , Mana Drain , Flusterstorm , and Delay at the very least in your hand. You should be able to force through Labman and have the cantrips to draw from an empty library in response to any responses, especially since you have infinite mana by this point. If you don't want to run Labman that is your choice to make, but as a win condition he is not unreliable or risky. I'll go ahead and assume that Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is also excluded as it is the same wincon as Labman.
Since the deck makes infinite mana as its primary function, Walking Ballista is an effective wincon.
2 weeks ago
Finally had some time to give some insight!
Here is a list of possible cards that you can use depending on the route/direction you want it to go for!
- Viscera Seer
- Baleful Strix
- River Kelpie
- Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
- Gilded Drake
- Blood Artist
- Zulaport Cutthroat
- Mayhem Devil
- Judith, the Scourge Diva
- Drana, Liberator of Malakir
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel
- Imperial Recruiter
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury
- Hostage Taker
- Vindictive Lich
- Zealous Conscripts
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- Agent of Treachery
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Vilis, Broker of Blood
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
- Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
- Praetor's Grasp
- Yawgmoth's Will
- Altar of Dementia
- Ashnod's Altar
- Cloudstone Curio
- Lim-Dul's Vault
- Faithless Looting
- Frantic Search
- Wheel of Fortune
- Dance of the Dead
- Animate Dead
- Wake the Dead
- Shallow Grave
- Corpse Dance
- Buried Alive
- Living Death
- Phyrexian Reclamation
Feel free to ask about any card choices! There is probably more cards but I can't think of any off the top of my head haha
3 weeks ago
reyalfluos, I've been playing this deck for a year or so now, and I don't think I've ever encountered a Blood Moon , to be honest. The deck does run seven counterspells to combat spells like Blood Moon . It even runs Pact of Negation and Force of Will to really hit it home. The idea of the Hermit Druid plus Laboratory Maniac / Jace, Wielder of Mysteries came from a cEDH Thrasios, Triton Hero and Tymna the Weaver deck.
4 weeks ago
Hey man! I really like this list! I have compared it to my own mimeoplasm deck and there's a lot of cards which would be a great include in my deck. Have you considered the following cards aswell? I included these in my own deck:
Razaketh, the Foulblooded , with Entomb this will be a one card combo. After you have Razaketh, the Foulblooded into play you only need one other creature in play (like a mana dork), and you need atleast available to you, also you need to have atleast 3 lands in play. First you start of by sacrificing the creature with Razaketh, the Foulblooded to find Life / Death and use to cast Life, then you can sacrifice your other lands to find Dark Ritual , Buried Alive and Animate Dead or some other reanimation spell (If you have a 4th land available then it's recommended to find a Pact of Negation first. Then you first cast Dark Ritual so you have in your mana pool, then you can use Buried Alive and Animate Dead to do the Necrotic Ooze combo.
For card draw I really like to run these cards: Search for Azcanta Flip this is a really nice early play. Dig Through Time you can often cast this for just , but it gives your deck a higher CMC which is great for the combo. Deep Analysis , you can cast this from your graveyard really cheap which can be really important in a deck like this. Underrealm Lich , don't underestimate this guy, every draw 1 turns basically into draw 3, I would definitely play this over Liliana Vess . Then I really like Fact or Fiction It's great since it's a instant speed and can often find you the tutor you need.
For ramp I suggest Arcane Signet , just a great card you don't need to leave lands open to use this signet. Sakura-Tribe Elder this card is better in this deck than any other deck since you use it as food for the secondary target of The Mimeoplasm when you want to copy your Necrotic Ooze to combo off, for example.
then some other suggestions; Assassin's Trophy , really versatile removal. Memory's Journey this will protect your combo pieces when needed. Noxious Revival will also protect your combo pieces, but can also bring back important spells at instant speed for (almost) free. Krosan Tusker , you want to cycle this creature to effectively draw 2 cards and also have a body in the graveyard or have a nice high CMC card in your deck. This card will do really well if you decide to play Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon in your deck as lategame 1v1 finisher.
And lastly some really good synergy which will almost always work: Reanimation Kederekt Leviathan with Necromancy on instant speed. This is a full 3 mana boardwipe you can use as often as you have the mana for it. because Necromancy will also be bounced when Kederekt Leviathan enters the battlefield Kederekt Leviathan will die. So you can use this interaction all over again. This is great play at the end step, before the turn you go off or to just buy you some time.
I hope you find atleast some of these suggestions useful!
1 month ago
Back. Though I still world like a Mono= replacement for Delay that's not Counterspell , Force of Will , Pact of Negation , Mana Drain , Mental Misstep , Flusterstorm , etc, Either 2-3CMC, or 1-2CMC if you can, is an Instant, & is inexpensive.
I hope somebody can suggest something w/ all these requirements please. Thanks in advance. :D
Pact of Negation occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.09%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.09%
UR (Izzet): 0.47%
GU (Simic): 0.52%
WUB (Esper): 0.57%
UBR (Grixis): 0.51%
BUG (Sultai): 0.59%