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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Arena | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Gladiator | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Historic | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Modern | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Counterlash
Instant
Counter target spell. You may cast a nonland card in your hand that shares a card type with that spell without paying its mana cost.
Gidgetimer on EDH vs cEDH
4 years ago
You see, that is the response I always get. I try to have a discussion and figure out what people mean by "interaction" if not removal (interaction with the board) and counter magic (interaction with the stack) as I understand it to be. They then provide no insight as to what they mean, and try to condescend to me hoping that by acting superior people will assume that the other person is in the right. Well I'll be your Huckleberry in the condescension department.
If you had the reading comprehension of a 13 year old (the card packs to do say 13+ after all) you would see that I said nothing of "competitive" interaction spells. Avatar of Woe and Counterlash exist after all and are interaction and you would be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks either card is competitive.
I simply observed that I didn't understand what people meant by interaction if not what I call interaction. When you decided to simply say "they exist" instead of taking a rather obvious hint I simplified it to two words and a question mark so that it was unmistakable what my intent with the post was. You still prove unable or unwilling to provide me with a single example of what is interaction if not counters and removal. Let's add discard, mill, and opponent deck manipulation to the list that I understand to be interaction as well. They are more niche and not really viable outside of dedicated decks, so they don't enter the discussion as much.
You also make the mistake of assuming that I play primarily "competitively". I am actually one of the die hard "EDH is, in fact, a casual format" players. (I know the arguments that people try to make to the contrary. I just think they are flawed as is the common thinking that "casual=low power and competitive=high power". It is another discussion that I am willing to get into if someone wants to actually discuss and not talk at/condescend to me.)
As I said in my very early post in this thread, the state of discourse surrounding EDH, and in fact all of MTG, is poor. People will not discuss or consensus build, they just want to parrot things they have heard and agree with hoping that this makes them seem intelligent. True intelligence comes not from being always right, but from learning from when you are wrong. And that is what I am trying to do here. Learn what others consider to be interaction.
So to not only Gleeock, but anyone who cares to stay civil and explain what they mean outside of the things I have listed above:
Besides removal and counters, what do you consider to be interaction?
Since I have now ranted for a good deal instead of just complaining about the state of discourse as I did in my first response, I should probably speak to the original post.
I put no faith in power level, no faith in "75% decks", and no faith in go/nogo checks of if X card is in the deck. As many people have said before in this thread; a turn 0 discussion is the best way to coordinate all players' expectations. The things I like to discuss include but are not limited to: basic archetype (combo, aggro, control etc.); median goldfish win turn; best goldfish win turn; consistency; level of interaction; and resilience. If you haven't played the deck enough to know all of these things, best guesses are absolutely acceptable. If you are unwilling to give this information it is probably best if we not play together.
Anti-sticky_keys on
On your end step, I'll...
4 years ago
Hmmm... Ok deck I guess I think it could use a few more counterspells. You may want to add: Abjure , Admiral's Order , Aethersnatch , Annul , Arcane Denial , Commandeer , Commit , Confirm Suspicions , Counterlash , Counterspell , Cryptic Command , Daze , Delay , Deprive , Desertion , Disallow , Dismiss , Disrupt , Dream Fracture , Ertai's Meddling , Evasive Action , Exclude , Faerie Trickery , Familiar's Ruse , Flusterstorm , Foil , Force of Will , Force Spike , Hinder , Insidious Will , Last Word , Logic Knot , Mana Drain , Mana Leak , Memory Lapse , Mindbreak Trap , Muddle the Mixture , Mystic Confluence , Negate , Out of Bounds , Overwhelming Denial , Overwhelming Intellect , Pact of Negation , Remand , Sinister Sabotage , Spell Crumple , Spell Pierce , Spell Shrivel , Spell Swindle , Spelljack , Stubborn Denial , Summary Dismissal , Swan Song , Thwart , Unsubstantiate , Venser, Shaper Savant , Void Shatter , Illumination , Lapse of Certainty , Mana Tithe , Failure , Dovin's Veto Just to name a few.
Jonny994 on
Drag from the Future
4 years ago
+1 from a Jhoira lover. I never tought about Counterlash and Spinerock Knoll but I admit they are perfect for her
If I may I'd suggest a couple of cards for a broken combo: Nexus of Fate / Beacon of Tomorrows and Thought Vessel (you can go even with Reliquary Tower but I find it powerful). I explain it here Betrayal for the Almighty [Primer] by Jhoira you can check for more ideas
lifemtg on
Oloro, Annoying Ascetic.(Budget Control Life Gain)
4 years ago
So here is my update Gidgetimer. I am adding Drogskol Reaver , and dropping Severed Strands . The cards like Revival / Revenge is mostly for ending the game, and Blood Tribute . Generally my group isnt like, u could say luke super competetive. I like to say we are newbies. I am prob keeping Counterlash . I might change it out later. I thought it might be interesting. Seal Away I also going out. So here is the final.
Severed Strands - - Drogskol Reaver
Disperse - - Mastermind's Acquisition
Wing Shards - - Manalith .
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I don't know about Swords to Plowshares . I am going to make big changes over time. Thx for commenting.
Gidgetimer on
Oloro, Annoying Ascetic.(Budget Control Life Gain)
5 years ago
Just noticed you already added Dawn of Hope still 11 cuts because I also forgot to add it to the number.
- Book of Rass - direct swap out for Greed since the latter is a better card.
- Gideon's Reproach - direct swap out for Swords to Plowshares since the latter is a better card.
- Counterlash - One of the four 1-for-1 spells you have that I like the least and I am suggesting 4 cuts to bring you down to 7 because that is what I run in mine and find it to be a good number. Specifically, a lot of mana for a counter and a chance at a free card.
- Disperse - One of the four 1-for-1 spells you have that I like the least and I am suggesting 4 cuts to bring you down to 7 because that is what I run in mine and find it to be a good number. Specifically, not even really permanent removal.
- Wing Shards - One of the four 1-for-1 spells you have that I like the least and I am suggesting 4 cuts to bring you down to 7 because that is what I run in mine and find it to be a good number. Specifically, not all important creatures have to attack.
- Seal Away - One of the four 1-for-1 spells you have that I like the least and I am suggesting 4 cuts to bring you down to 7 because that is what I run in mine and find it to be a good number. Specifically, tapped clause is not great.
- Nevinyrral's Disk - without Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice it just slows the game down. This may offer you a better chance to win, or you may like long games for the sake of long games. I dislike long games enough that I would cut it.
- Severed Strands - you have 13 creatures and can't afford to sacrifice them, especially at sorcery speed, if we are winning via combat.
- Blood Tribute - halving a single player's life total is either going to make you an enemy or not do much depending on how late it is in the game. Making enemies isn't something you want to do in pillow fort decks since most people could pay the taxes, just why bother when they can attack someone else and not pay unless they have a reason to focus you down.
- Revival / Revenge - Not a fan of low CMC only reanimate, see above for the rationale on the other half.
- Revitalize - I don't like cards that just gain life, cantriping is not enough to get me to like it.
griffstick on
5 years ago
I thing coolest thing to do here is add flash speed spells. Leyline of Anticipation, and Vedalken Orrery. Are both really strong here other spells that fit right in are Aethersnatch,Commandeer, Counterlash, Gather Specimens, Kindred Summons, Mirror Match, Nexus of Fate, AEtherspouts, Desertion, Mystic Confluence, Spell Swindle
I would also look into artifact ramp with unwinding clock to untap them to put more mana in the pool. Cards like Victory Chimes are perfect
counterzenith on
Blue Black Control
6 years ago
I really love this deck. It is super original, and contains a lot of cards I have not seen played in modern before, but it still feels like a good old fashioned control deck. I do have a few suggestions, however. A lot of your threats cost quite a lot of mana. In control decks, it is always better to keep your threats as cheap as possible, especially against other control decks, so that you can keep mana open to counter any spells that would remove your threats. For that reason, I would recommend adding in some more Creeping Tar Pits. They are cheap threats that allow you to keep up mana to protect your plays. They are especially good now Jace, the Mind Sculptor is legal, as they can kill Jace, the Mind Sculptor without worrying about blockers. I would take out Shelldock Isle and Magosi, the Waterveil for this, as Shelldock Isle is far too slow to give any advantage, and Magosi, the Waterveil is a downright terrible card, as control decks never EVER want to skip turns; skipping turns gives your opponent a free turn to resolve their cards, which is exactly what control decks don't want to happen. The same issue shows up with a lot of your counter/disruption cards. Cards like Counterlash and Draining Whelk don't offer a big enough advantage to make them worth running in face of the risk they will just be beaten by cards like Mana Leak and your opponent's threat will be resolved. I definitely understand the desire to add more threats in. When I made my first control list, I added a load of extra wincons in, because I couldn't see how the traditional control decks hoped to win the game. However, many cards in control decks that seem just to be control cards at first glance actually are excellent wincons. A good example of this is Jace, Architect of Thought. This card is brilliant, and is one of my all-time favourites. It's excellent at stalling the game, and it is surprisingly easy to get to the point activate its -8. Once you've done that, you've basically won the game! If you would be willing to completely change this deck up, I would suggest taking out most of your wincon cards, and replacing them with cards that can act as both control and wincon. However, I completely understand if you don't want to. I really think this deck has a lot of potential, and so I've made two lists that are my own versions of this deck. One is an U/B control list that has a lot of the creatures taken out and is more traditional, and one is a list that is much more similar to yours, but has just been tweaked, just in case you don't want to take out the cards that make the deck unique. The more traditional list still has a lot of the uniqueness of the original deck, just some of the suboptimal cards have been removed.
Traditional Control Version:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/counterzeniths-take-on-mtgnewb99s-control-v10/?cb=1518971341
Non-Traditional Version:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/counterzeniths-take-on-mtgnewb99s-control-v11/